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Title: iChat av
Post by: george on November 16, 2003, 01:03:26 PM
were I to invest in iChat av, must the person that I am having the conference with also have iChat av installed or can I confer with someone using a pc ?
George.
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Title: iChat av
Post by: kelly on November 16, 2003, 01:45:38 PM
Not sure George. Maybe they can't. smile.gif

http://macintouch.com/ichatav.html

There's other applications though.

http://www.ivisit.info/
Title: iChat av
Post by: giantmike on November 16, 2003, 02:04:02 PM
I do not think it's compatible with anything but other iChat AV users. At least, that is what I heard some time ago.
Title: iChat av
Post by: bobw on November 16, 2003, 02:07:17 PM
iChatAV will only work with other iChat users. It won't work with any other VideoConferencing software. It's rumored that a Windows version may be available by the end of the year.
Title: iChat av
Post by: george on November 16, 2003, 02:14:06 PM
I have DL iChat av Beta and on trying to install it tells me that it will not run on my 'puter which is G4 (mdd) any ideas why?
George
Title: iChat av
Post by: Mrious_be on November 16, 2003, 02:35:31 PM
For voice chat you need a minimum off 400Mhz.
For video chat you need a minimum off 600Mhz.
But since you are on a G4, i think you already have the minimum on both.

Hmmm, not sure what else might be the reason.

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Title: iChat av
Post by: CyberPet on November 16, 2003, 02:41:06 PM
I think the iChat AV beta is time limited. Now you have to pay for iChat AV (unless you've installed Panther, then you get the full version free).
Title: iChat av
Post by: george on November 16, 2003, 02:53:59 PM
Dolt am I I already have iChat installed having it supplied with Panther!
 doh.gif  doh.gif George
Title: iChat av
Post by: Mrious_be on November 16, 2003, 02:54:54 PM
QUOTE(CyberPet @ Nov 16 2003, 10:41 PM)
I think the iChat AV beta is time limited.

 Yeah, true.... but it's expiring on dec 31 this year.
Smiley just installed iChatAV Beta on a system last week (gosh, that took me a while searching for it online, since Apple already took off the Beta installer to replace it with the final software).
I was thinking though, iChatAV requires Jaguar (OsX.2) for the minimum.
So maybe you are on an older system?

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Title: iChat av
Post by: Mrious_be on November 16, 2003, 02:56:36 PM
QUOTE(george @ Nov 16 2003, 10:53 PM)
Dolt am I I already have iChat installed having it supplied with Panther!
 doh.gif  doh.gif George

 Hahahah.... well don't hit your head to hard George wink.gif
I know how it feels though, don't worry.

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Title: iChat av
Post by: Mayo on November 16, 2003, 10:58:36 PM
Has anyone used iChat at its minimum quality setting on a 600MHZ G3?  How well does it work?
Title: iChat av
Post by: RKSJNich on November 17, 2003, 12:17:18 PM
I have played with iChat AV on my 500 Mhz iMac and it worked fine, except that the volume has to be cranked way up.
Title: iChat av
Post by: kelly on February 06, 2004, 08:06:36 AM
Did you see this George? smile.gif

Panther and Windows XP.

iChat AV, AIM updates add Mac to PC video conferencing

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/0...t=1076006951000
Title: iChat av
Post by: george on February 07, 2004, 08:55:24 AM
thanx.gif Kelly,
will check out your link, looks promising.
george.
ps
 do you ever sleep?
Title: iChat av
Post by: kelly on February 07, 2004, 09:11:33 AM
Not usually at 9:06 AM when I posted that. smile.gif

Other times. Yes. smile.gif
Title: iChat av
Post by: Xairbusdriver on February 07, 2004, 09:29:31 PM
Trying to get the hang of this iChat thang, thanks to RHP...
Got Panther so I also have AV, 'cept it's still labeled as plain ole iChat! Even in the Get Info. But if you use the "About iChat..." menu the splash screen calls it iChat AV. I think it is just a conspiracy to confuse me! unsure.gif

Anyway, I managed to 'chat' with RHP last week for a while. But all day yesterday and until a few minutes ago, his 'availablility' showed 'Away'. Just as I was about to send him an e-mail to suggest he 'chat' a while. The phone rings with him on the other end! eusa_dance.gif (How did he know I was about to e-mail him?! He must be one smart cookie! thumbup.gif ) So I say,
"Why haven't you been available the last two days?" He wanted to know the same of me! But there my iChat window sits, still saying I'm here (even if not completely!). And he says his is also running and showing him as available, also. But we each were still showing the other as 'Away'.

I tried various things, even forced a re-assignment of my connection with the internet. Nothing made any difference. Finally, I went into the Address Book and noticed that I didn't have a .Mac address for him, only his earthlink one.

That's when I noticed how unfriendly the Address Book is if you haven't read the manual (there is a manual, right? Apparently, the e-mail address(es) must relate to the AIM/Chat names. In other words, the first e-mail address must go with the first AIM name. The second with the second. Note that you can have 3 e-mail addresses but only 2 AIM names.
It may be simply that the label assigned to each address relates to the AIM name with the same label and the order is irrelavent. But it seems easier to keep things in some kind of logical order.

To make a long story even longer, after associating RHP's .Mac address with his .Mac chat name, both having the same labels, I could add him to my buddy list and he immediately became a full-colored buddy, even though he was still 'Away'. I then could send him chat messages. I have only one other 'buddy' (Gary) and he is still unselectable. I do have a .Mac address but I don't think I have his real chat name, so he remains greyed out. But I somehow have his picture! Where did that come from?! doh.gif
Title: iChat av
Post by: Xairbusdriver on February 07, 2004, 09:37:35 PM
If someone has some answers, I'll probably be 'available' tomorrow afternoon between 3 and 5PM EST. Let me know if my conjuring above is the way this stuff is sipposed to work. My iChat name is xairbusdriver(@mac.com). This is my free account name, won't subscribe unless this iChat thing is a real benefit. The slow speed of iDisk was OK when it was free, I guess I should see if it's any faster with this faster computer!

J. Chaffin
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I planted some birdseed. A bird came up.
Now I don't know what to feed it.
Title: iChat av
Post by: Mrious_be on February 08, 2004, 07:46:06 AM
QUOTE(airbusdriver @ Feb 8 2004, 5:29 AM)
...I could add him to my buddy list and he immediately became a full-colored buddy, even though he was still 'Away'. I then could send him chat messages. I have only one other 'buddy' (Gary) and he is still unselectable. I do have a .Mac address but I don't think I have his real chat name, so he remains greyed out...

 This all sounds verrrrry strange to me.
I could always add any budy to my contact list that i wanted to.
When they are "grayed" out that means they are not online, the "away" message goes for when they are online, but not able/wanting to talk.
A nice thing actually that we can set different away/available messages up, a fun way to have a second communication going on wink.gif
The pictures or icons load automaticly the minute you receive a message from the person you are talking to, it seems icons are always send with the message and not seperately (hope this is typed correct?).

As for the rest, i don't know what to say.
Adding buddies always worked for me, and i didn't had any problems adding them, not when they had an .Mac account or an AIM account, both worked always for me.
Maybe others know, i'm curious to smile.gif

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Title: iChat av
Post by: kelly on February 08, 2004, 08:58:27 AM
Jim. Are you and Dick using Routers? smile.gif

iChat AV: How to Use With a Firewall or NAT Router

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93208

Apple Discussions iChat AV

http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?14@...egM.1@.4aaaecdd

Reader Reports

http://www.macintouch.com/ichatav02.html

http://www.macintouch.com/ichatav.html

iChatfinder.com

http://www.ichatfinder.com/
Title: iChat av
Post by: Xairbusdriver on February 08, 2004, 02:54:52 PM
Won't argue with anyones definition about what the various colors/greyed out/messages mean in iChat, I'm probably the newest user this side of the Atlantic! blush-anim-cl.gif

All I know is that both Dick and I had our 'Buddy List' windows showing that we were both online and available, but they also showed us greyed out on the others list. When I edited his info in my address book to 'tie' his iChat name with his .Mac address, he immediately became 'available' on my list, green dot and all. He e-mailed me and said he edited my info on his machine and it also fixed things on his end. I see that we are both available at this moment, I'll see if I can get his attention.  harhar.gif  eusa_dance.gif
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20 minutes later...
Something just scared Sweety, my cat! It was the sound when Dick changed his status to 'Away!' I hope he never comes face-to-face with her! unsure.gif She can be pretty grumpy when awakened like that! nono.gif
Title: iChat av
Post by: RHPConsult on February 09, 2004, 08:23:17 AM
Tell "Sweety" I'll never do that again! rolleyes.gif

I had no problem with Jim's "listing" when I merely discovered that his AIM/iChat address was not his e-address. That never occurred to me until he patiently suggested I get with it.

I have to give full credit to Al who was the first person to introduce me to the fact that my new Panther has iChatav just waiting to be exploited . . . a most remarkable bell/whistle/whatever.

One place I'm certain it will come in handy is when my brother-in-law (age 87 and, if you can believe it, a 1st time computer "operator") fires up his new iMac later this week - - yes, Kelly, he took the deal too laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif .

Being able to talk to him, real time, while he also peers at the manifold mysteries on his monitor is going to be ideal, IMHO, for "mentoring".

Re: firewalls and routers. I have whatever firewall evolves from the combination of my NetGear Router/Hub and the Alcatel ADSL modem. No further add-ons. That created no problems whatsoever as far as I could detect, after solviing the ABD-address glitch. I chatted with Al on the iMac, but with Jim on the Pismo, with it's teeny speakers, which is also downstream of the PowerLine Eathernet Bridge I've been raving about. No Prob-Lem! I would add that the Pismo is only a 400 mHz machine . . . but we were only using the "a" in "av", of course!

What really astonished me in this whole adventure, again a general comment about OSX>>Panther, is how easy it really was to get up and going with this feature . . . check that, this "benefit".

I was amused, thinking about the first time I tried to set-up a 300 baud modem (about a 1000 years ago) with a very early Mac, and the agonies associated therewith. Panther is,  simply stated, a dream.
Title: iChat av
Post by: Mrious_be on February 09, 2004, 12:22:30 PM
QUOTE(RHPConsult @ Feb 9 2004, 4:23 PM)
I have whatever firewall evolves from the combination of my NetGear Router/Hub and the Alcatel ADSL modem.

 Woohoooo.. you just helped the Belgian Telecom sector biggrin.gif

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Title: iChat av
Post by: george on February 09, 2004, 03:26:50 PM
Kelly, still wading through your link.
Looking at some of the answers in this thread can I ask those of you already using iChat are you hooked up to AOL? and which webcam are you using and is it used via Classic or Panther.
Can I use AIM without being a subscriber to AOL?.
George
Title: iChat av
Post by: bobw on February 09, 2004, 03:40:17 PM
You can't use iChat in Classic. It's an OS X app only.
AIM is a free download from here;

http://www.aim.com

You do  not need to be using AOL, or be a sunscriber, but when you download AIM, you will need to pick out a user name and password.

Firewire webcams work better than USB, and you'll need a hack to use a USB cam with iChatAV.
Title: iChat av
Post by: george on February 10, 2004, 03:49:46 AM
bobw, That is one of my problems, I have a Philips 740 USB which will only work in Classic and iChat will only work in Panther a catch 22 situation. Where does one get hold of this 'hack' that might work with my Philips webcam since Philips do not provide drivers ( for the 740 ) to work with Panther.
George.
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Title: iChat av
Post by: bobw on February 10, 2004, 09:07:52 AM
I don't know if it will work with your cam, but give it a try.  iChatUSBCam

http://ecamm.com/mac/ichatusbcam/
Title: iChat av
Post by: kelly on February 10, 2004, 09:24:40 AM
Yeah. What Bob said. smile.gif

USB Video Conferencing with Panther

http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003...usb_webcam.html

George. Some people are able to use their Camcorder with IChat.

"When you install iChat AV, the software automatically configures and optimizes itself for your setup. No hassle over network setup or peripherals. While iChat AV works best with iSight, you can use any FireWire DV camera or Web cam for video chat. "

http://www.apple.com/ichat/

http://reviews-zdnet.com.com/Apple_iChat_A...30422614-3.html
Title: iChat av
Post by: george on February 10, 2004, 11:58:51 AM
bobw, Kelly, thanks for the info, have now got iChat to recognise my Canon 550i in sound but no picture, I assume that on powering up iChat + camcorder that whatever the camcorder sees would be tranferred to screen.
George.
ps all I need is someone to conference with!
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Title: iChat av
Post by: bobw on February 10, 2004, 12:11:27 PM
My ichat name is maktek@mac.com. You can try me anytime you see me on.
Title: iChat av
Post by: george on February 10, 2004, 04:18:09 PM
bobw, many thanks for your reply, will make a note of your iChat name and when i get the proper responses from my setup I'll be in touch.
  thanx.gif again.
George
Title: iChat av
Post by: Xairbusdriver on February 10, 2004, 05:23:11 PM
I only have a 60 day run of .Mac and I assume my iChat account with that address will go up in smoke when that time comes. Don't think I want to pay $100 just for using chat. Not impressed with AOL stuff, but it sounds like AIM is somewhat mature, and I assume free (my favorite price!).

On a second tack, if you have an iChat/AIM name/address why not post it in the Profile here? Is that a security problem? Or simply a desire to keep things a little more private? Dick is the only name/address I have right now and he scares my cat sometimes! jawdrop.gif  harhar.gif  Devilish2.gif  toothgrin.gif
Title: iChat av
Post by: bobw on February 10, 2004, 06:15:36 PM
When you're 60 days is up, there goes the smoke smile.gif
I use mac.com for albums, storage, uploading files for people, etc.
AIM has always worked well for an instant messenger, and it's free. Just a smalll program, but no video conferencing on the Mac version.
Not a security problem.
Title: iChat av
Post by: kelly on February 10, 2004, 08:11:49 PM
George. smile.gif

Close.

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/bbs/t38461.html
Title: iChat av
Post by: RHPConsult on February 10, 2004, 08:45:17 PM
To: Jim's Cat

Are you a Traditionalist Tabby? Would you prefer faxes?

For the Record (for everybody suffering Fax STF angst): I downloaded today a very neat little ($10) program called Fax Center. In its ease of use it puts one in mind of the oft-and-long-lamented Global Village Fax Center.

Since this is a Pantherized iMac, literally all I did was plug in the old modem line cord and the program did the rest.

Remember those Days of Yesteryear, folks, when initialization strings and modem scripts could/would drive you up the wall (or, alternatively) out the door?

Fergit it. This IS Panther! and Fax Center

Here
Title: iChat av
Post by: bobw on February 11, 2004, 10:35:19 AM
A friend just got a Firewire webcam for his PC and installed the new version of AIM and it works fine video conferencing with iChatAV smile.gif
Title: iChat av
Post by: joe9173 on February 12, 2004, 09:24:55 PM
When you're 60 days is up, there goes the smoke
I use mac.com for albums, storage, uploading files for people, etc.
AIM has always worked well for an instant messenger, and it's free. Just a smalll program, but no video conferencing on the Mac version.[/QUOTE]

Your trial .mac account will expire in 60 days.  You will then have to rely upon AIM for instant messneging.  However, if you use your AIM account with iChat AV (free of charge) you can take advantage of the video conferencing feature.  Register a free AIM account at http://my.screenname.aol.com/_cqr/login/lo...ized&createSn=1 (that should work, if not, try http://www.aim.com/index.adp) choose not to download it.  Open iChat AV and open preferences.  Go to the "Accounts" tab.  Select "use AIM account".  Use the account name and password that you registered at the AIM site.  

I hope this is of help, I have been using iChat with an AIM account since Jaguar came out.  my account name is joe9173 (not a .mac account).
Title: iChat av
Post by: Xairbusdriver on February 13, 2004, 03:17:01 PM
If you haven't figured it out by now, I'm a complete dumbox when it comes to this chat thing. I assumed that one needed both a chat name and the associated e-mail address for that name. I just don't understand how only one would suffice.

Just for grins, I added both Joe and Bob as new buddies. Joe's account came up fine, even though he is off-line. But Bobs 'iChat name' looks more like an e-mail address and he does not appear reachable in the iChat Buddy List.

As for the need for an address, I guess since there are only two possible servers to use with AIM/iChat, and since you must select which one to associate with the name, that solves the 'connection' problems. However, if one has 'associated a name with an e-mail address that is not an AOL or a .Mac one, the thing will not/cann not work. That's what happened with Dick and me eralier last week, I think.

So, bobw, is your name really "mactek@mac.com"? Or is it actually only "mactek"?

ABD (the iChat ludite)

At the risk of getting too far off-topic, I find the 20megs of storage somewhat of a joke! I pretty well reached that limit with just the images from the site I maintain for our church! And iDisk is no faster than when I tried it on 9. FTP seems much much quicker. And now that the disk is almost full, I get irritating, repeating messages to that effect during other work. True, I had 'sync' enabled, that is probably what caused the messages, but a simple "Don't remind me of what I have memorised' check box would be nice... Instead I get a chance to 'Buy more' which becomes even more tiresome... nono.gif
Title: iChat av
Post by: bobw on February 13, 2004, 03:26:46 PM
airbusdriver

Sorry about that, my user name is maktek
Title: iChat av
Post by: Mayo on February 13, 2004, 05:11:40 PM
RHPConsult...

Many thanks for the Fax Center link!  I installed it on the iBook and iMac and so far it has worked like a charm.  I have sent and received faxes at both Macs and to my Brother fax machine. I haven't figured how well it works when it is set to receive on a non-dedicated fax line or with an answering machine, but for simple manual sending and receiving it is a time-saver and a cheap alternative to a stand-alone fax machine.

Well worth the $10 shareware fee.

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Title: iChat av
Post by: bobw on February 14, 2004, 09:11:15 AM
airbusdriver

What is your AIM/mac.com screen name?
Title: iChat av
Post by: swhitset on February 14, 2004, 11:06:09 AM
full .mac members get 100 MB of storage not 20.

Steve
Title: iChat av
Post by: Xairbusdriver on February 14, 2004, 01:26:53 PM
QUOTE
full .mac members get 100 MB of storage not 20.

doh.gif I should have checked. But CD's are still cheaper (just like me). blush-anim-cl.gif Still, I try to keep the smokers out of our house, I guess I'll have to pay up to avoid that 'smoke!' rolleyes.gif

bobw, I'm called xairbusdriver in iChat. (xairbusdriver@mopam. wink.gif mac.com, but don't let anyone know, I'm trying to stay off any more SPAM lists! toothgrin.gif )

RHPConsult finally got it through my thick skull that the AIM and .Mac databases are probably the same, some kind of sweet deal Steve made for us. So, the e-mail address is probably redundant and not even required. What was also confusing to me was that the Address Book did not show a choice for iChat/Apple but it did have one for AIM. And then in iChat, you have a choice between AIM and iChat. You need to keep this kind of change hidden from my mind (although it is very easy to actually hide my mind, being as small as it is!). The differences make more sense since I now understand the 'name' database actually has the correct e-mail address association matter taken care of.
Title: iChat av
Post by: Xairbusdriver on February 17, 2004, 05:10:02 PM
TidBITS#717 has some excerpts by Jeff Carlson who recently authored iChat AV2: Visual QuickStart Guide. He claims it's available at Amazon for about $10.

ABD