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Can i work off my EHD instead of my iMac?
« on: January 15, 2025, 04:59:13 PM »
After 52 years of working as a free lance designer, I am the end of my business career. I’d like to get some advice how to keep my 2017 iMac working for a few more years to be able to access 30 years of my digital files when needed. This issue is a bit lengthy to describe. I would greatly appreciate your advice how to proceed. There are two factors I need to consider…

My old iMac has OS10.14.6 to be able to use my Adobe CS6 apps - InDesign, Photoshop, Illustrator. They won’t work on a newer OS. I do not want pay a monthly subscription fee for Creative Cloud plus deal with all the updates and font changes that Adobe requires. I do not have that knowledge base anymore.

Also, my iMac hard drive (1 TB) is nearly full. The old OS is creating issues, and it’s very slow in opening and closing. I’ve been removing files to free up some space and store those on two back-up external hard drives (2 & 6 TB). My EHDs also hold copies of all my working files using Super Duper.

I would like to buy a new iMac with the latest OS. IF I had to access my old Adobe CS6 files, could I do that by just working off the EHD? I believe they should have the same, full OS10.14.6?

Also, I am learning the Affinity design programs that would allow me to do new design work on a new iMac. They are much cheaper to use than Adobe Creative Cloud. I could also then convert old Adobe inDesign files on the EHD to work them with Affinity on the new iMac.

I think this process would give me the best of both worlds for a few more years. Does this make sense, or am I missing something here?
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Re: Can i work off my EHD instead of my iMac?
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2025, 07:42:12 AM »
If you are contemplating booting off the EHD, the new iMac won't do it. I suspect that you could copy files from the EHD to a new iMac but I can't say for certain.
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Re: Can i work off my EHD instead of my iMac?
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2025, 07:59:20 PM »
Bummer. Problem is if i transfer my Adobe files to a new iMac, they won't work on an OS past 10.14.6.
Why won't an OS work off an EHD?
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Re: Can i work off my EHD instead of my iMac?
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2025, 10:43:24 PM »
I'm a bit confused as to what macOS your "old" mac is running Sonoma. You said "My old iMac has OS10.14.6". I assume that is running Intel CPUs. Is that correct?

Any "new" mac will have the new "Apple Silicon" (M4) and should have Sequoia (15.x) installed.

You can boot Sequoia off external drives:
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I am assuming that the older Adobe software only runs on Intel chips. Is that correct?
In that case. Installing Sequoia on an external drive won't help: The M4 can't run the old Adobe software. I don't think it can run an older macOS (14.6, Sonoma) either.
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Re: Can i work off my EHD instead of my iMac?
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2025, 07:41:35 PM »
Xairbusdriver, My current old 27" iMac has OS10.14 (Mojave). That's the last OS for Adobe CS6 apps which I need to to able to use for a few more years, so I can access and work 30 years of my design files. I have annual tourism magazines, etc. that come up for renewal which I need to work on sporadically.

I'm not sure how much life my iMac still has as it's getting very slow. I had to transfer many files to the EHD to save space on the Hard Drive. After doing that, I have 15% space left on my current iMac.

I MUST be able to access and work my Adobe files without using costly Creative Cloud. If I cannot work with OS10.14.6 directly from an EHD, is there anyway to get a new iMac and have partitions that would use the current OS AND 10.14.6? I'm hoping there is some way to do this?
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Re: Can i work off my EHD instead of my iMac?
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2025, 10:46:28 PM »
You can certainly run your old iMac from an external drive. However, booting will probably be slower, even if the drive is faster than your internal drive. Your file access will be slower than the internal hard-wired buss speed. Still, that slower speed will only be seen/felt when opening/closing a file, assuming you don't shutdown/startup more than once a day. :)

What types of ports do you have on that Mac?

I had a 2017(?) mac Mini that I added an internal SSD. It already had the wiring/port for a second drive and i could do the minor work (required a screw driver!) myself. I then installed the OS and all upgrades to that SSD. Booting and working from that SSD was amazing! That's why new machines don't even include hard drives anymore. I suppose you could find a tech who could add an internal SSD to your iMac for a price. You might even take a look at iFixIt for instructions on doing that on your own.

I have not read os getting a M version Mac to run an old OS version unless you install some virtual OS crutches software. You may notice that there is no longer a "10" in front of the newest Apple operating systems. "10.x" is no longer supported. I only at macOS13.7.2, but the latest is 15.x! :Thinking: :sweatingbullets: :eek:
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Re: Can i work off my EHD instead of my iMac?
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2025, 11:10:33 PM »
I was going to suggest what Jim did, putting an SSD into the iMac. Or you could find a "newer" Mac that was Intel and able to run Mohave. In any case, removing as much from the hard drive as possible will help speed things up, but a new SSD would make a major difference as well as being sure the iMac is maxed out with RAM.


Generally speaking, a Mac will not be able to run an OS that was earlier than the one it had on it when initially sold. There is a virtual machine program called UTM which is supposed to allow M1 Macs run Intel OS. But it is kinda experimental. Read about it here:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/255644357?sortBy=rank



My daily use Mac is an old 2015 13" MBP which is now running Monterey but can boot off externals running as far back as Sierra. I can do pretty much anything I need to do including running the Affinity apps. I do have a newer Intel 16" MBP but this one is very handy. I put an SSD in it a couple years ago and can boot off external drives easily. Have no need to move up to a brand new Mac for now.


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Re: Can i work off my EHD instead of my iMac?
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2025, 12:23:04 PM »
So, you can indeed replace the HD in the iMac with an SSD, but it's not for the faint of heart (a 2015 MBP is a piece of cake compared to this thing!) Given the situation you describe, I'm not sure I'd be particularly eager to try it. See: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iMac+Intel+27-Inch+EMC+2546+Hard+Drive+Replacement/15796

First question:
1. Do you have a COMPLETE (ie: cloned) back up on your existing iMac internal hard drive? You should have at least one backup (preferably 3 - one TimeMachine, one clone on premises and one clone somewhere else - this is known as the 1-2-3 rule). But at the very least you should have ONE.

Your Mac is likely still slow because it's only got 15% free. Also, the internal drive may not be in the best of shape 7 years down the line. DriveDX is a worthwhile investment, in my books, to keep an eye on your drives (especially if you have as many as I have, which is well, a bit crazy, but so it goes). I would try moving the majority of your files off to another drive - if you're not actively using them, then it's not like you'd be creating a bottleneck because of slow USB speeds etc. But you must back up THAT drive as well. You can keep the active copies of files you're actually working on, on the old iMac.

Your Adobe 6 files will all be openable in either current versions of Creative Cloud (which I refused to pay for as well, as it's crazy expensive) OR the Affinity apps. I do subscribe to the Photography CC package - with 140,000 photos in Lightroom it's just too mind-boggling to consider something else, but it's relatively reasonable at $20/mo CDN. However, I use Affinity Publisher for all desktop publishing work and it does now open InDesign files natively. So you would KEEP the original Adobe files, but open them in Affinity on your new iMac (and save them as Affinity files going forward). It's very capable - I know there may be a few things it doesn't match Adobe on, but I've not had any issues with what I'm doing (newsletters for a couple of organizations, mostly).

You can also open/import AI files in Affinity Designer - being mindful of a few issues - one of which is described here: https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/218985-open-illustrator-ai-files-in-affinity-designer-2-with-objectsvectors-outside-the-canvasartboards/ I never learned Illustrator, so can't advise on that - other than to read whatever you can get your hands on if you have particular concerns.

Affinity Photo is pretty good as well - though since I have Photoshop I just use that most of the time. The exception is when I'm at the historical society - we have Affinity there (no PS). It's much easier to find alternatives to PS than to the other Adobe apps.

I am very impressed with Affinity though - have been using their apps since they started. And you cannot beat the price.

Other random notes: I have a 2TB SSD in my iMac and it's not big enough for my photos - they're all on a 2TB external SSD, which is backed up in triplicate. Because my iMac is newer (not Apple Silicon, however) and has USB 3.0 it's a reasonable proposition to keep a Lightroom library on an external drive - it's not ridiculously slow, which I suspect it might be on an older iMac with USB 2.0.

Apple still makes one pay dearly for internal storage upgrades (+$750 CDN for 2TB SSD on any of their offerings) which annoys me no end, especially when I can buy an external SSD for a third of that. I am guessing that when it next comes time to upgrade, I'll be looking at a Mac Mini with a Studio Display, since 27" of 5K screen real estate is pretty much a minimum for me now, and they no longer make the 27" iMac.

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Re: Can i work off my EHD instead of my iMac?
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2025, 02:19:55 PM »
Thank you all for your suggestions. Have to spend some time to absorb all this. Much is over my head. Today my IMac doesn’t even want to reboot properly. It only gives me a black screen with HD & EHD icons and can’t open any further. Have to press power button to shut off and start up. Obviously a completely different problem. May have to
Post this separately. Grrr! :Thinking:  :sos:
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