Post by: gunug on August 24, 2006, 08:20:30 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/mid_/5279884.stm
Perhaps Highmac or someone from GB could fill us in on this sport and whether it is replacing cricket in the hearts and minds; especially now after the latest cricket "scandal!" :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/sport/cricket/231292.stm
Post by: Parker on August 24, 2006, 08:06:33 PM
hah we love you gunug!
-parker
Post by: Highmac on August 25, 2006, 02:07:45 AM
QUOTE(gunug @ Aug 24 2006, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Perhaps Highmac or someone from GB could fill us in on this sport and whether it is replacing cricket in the hearts and minds; especially now after the latest cricket "scandal!" :
From my recollection it is an "ancient" pastime invented in the 70s by some far-sighted parish council that wanted publicity for its annual fair on the village green. Over here, waterproof rubber knee-length boots are wellingtons, or wellies, worn by agricultural workers, gardeners and so on. One of many stores that sell them.
Scottish comedian Billy Connolly had a minor hit over here with the Welly Boot Song. Lyrics (in dialect) here.
Edit to add: Just checked my Guinness Book of Hit Singles and it's not listed. Probably on the B-side of one of his hits
Somehow I doubt welly-wanging will replace cricket... and please don't ask me to explain THAT game. I've never understood it
Post by: gunug on August 25, 2006, 06:20:30 AM
Post by: LR827 on August 25, 2006, 09:12:38 AM
"Powered by a diesel engine, the wellingtons, up to six at a time, are fired from a two-metre diameter computer controlled disc which rotates at up to 250 times per minute.
"A second computer monitors wind speed and direction and relays the information via a third computer and a radio link to a laptop where team members can monitor its progress. "
(my emphasis added)
Post by: sandyman on August 25, 2006, 11:33:13 AM
Edit to add: Just checked my Guinness Book of Hit Singles and it's not listed. Probably on the B-side of one of his hits
Dialect?
Hmmm.
Not an accent?
Neil (Highmac), I think that the next time I have a beer at Kettlebridge I'll tell them they have a Fife "dialect" rather than a Fife "Accent"
Post by: David on August 25, 2006, 01:04:49 PM
QUOTE(Highmac @ Aug 25 2006, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Somehow I doubt welly-wanging will replace cricket... and please don't ask me to explain THAT game. I've never understood it
The Rules of Cricket - as Explained to a Foreigner
"You have two sides; one out in the field and one in.
Each man that's in the side that's in, goes out, and when he's out, he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out.
When they are all out the side that's out comes in and the side that's been in goes out and tries to get those coming in out.
Sometimes you get men still in and not out.
When both sides have been in and out including the not-outs, that's the end of the game."
Howzat?
Post by: gunug on August 25, 2006, 01:06:57 PM
Post by: Highmac on August 25, 2006, 01:40:24 PM
QUOTE(sandyman @ Aug 25 2006, 05:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Scottish comedian Billy Connolly had a minor hit over here with the Welly Boot Song. Lyrics (in dialect) here.
Edit to add: Just checked my Guinness Book of Hit Singles and it's not listed. Probably on the B-side of one of his hits
Dialect?
Hmmm.
Not an accent?
Neil (Highmac), I think that the next time I have a beer at Kettlebridge I'll tell them they have a Fife "dialect" rather than a Fife "Accent"
Edit to add: Just checked my Guinness Book of Hit Singles and it's not listed. Probably on the B-side of one of his hits
Dialect?
Hmmm.
Not an accent?
Neil (Highmac), I think that the next time I have a beer at Kettlebridge I'll tell them they have a Fife "dialect" rather than a Fife "Accent"
From a cached Google British Library page (the original gives a 404)
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Accent: This is how we pronounce words - how we make them sound. We all have an accent of some kind. [If several people with different accents all read the same story aloud, each one sounds different although the story looks the same on the page. ]
Received Pronunciation: this is a phrase meaning the most widely accepted accent.
Dialects: These are ways of speaking that involve different words, in sentences constructed differently and with different expressions.
[If several people each write a story in a different dialect, each version looks different on the page.]
Standard English: this is the most widely accepted dialect. It is not a better or worse dialect than any other, but it is the one that is used formally and the one you have to write in school most of the time. You can use it with any accent.
Received Pronunciation: this is a phrase meaning the most widely accepted accent.
Dialects: These are ways of speaking that involve different words, in sentences constructed differently and with different expressions.
[If several people each write a story in a different dialect, each version looks different on the page.]
Standard English: this is the most widely accepted dialect. It is not a better or worse dialect than any other, but it is the one that is used formally and the one you have to write in school most of the time. You can use it with any accent.
I think if you go back to Connolly at that time, he was using both Glasgow dialect AND accent... But those are the only ways he HAS moderated his language in the last 20 years...
PS - Is Kettlebridge anywhere near Kingskettle? I can remember my father talking about it as the family home before they moved to Dunfermline.
Post by: sandyman on August 25, 2006, 01:41:13 PM
QUOTE(gunug @ Aug 25 2006, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They're always be an England because they're the one's that understand those rules!
"There'll Always Be An England. 'Cos Scotlands Always There"
Post by: sandyman on August 25, 2006, 01:54:13 PM
QUOTE(Highmac @ Aug 25 2006, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
From a cached Google British Library page (the original gives a 404)
I think if you go back to Connolly at that time, he was using both Glasgow dialect AND accent... But those are the only ways he HAS moderated his language in the last 20 years...
PS - Is Kettlebridge anywhere near Kingskettle? I can remember my father talking about it as the family home before they moved to Dunfermline.
I think if you go back to Connolly at that time, he was using both Glasgow dialect AND accent... But those are the only ways he HAS moderated his language in the last 20 years...
PS - Is Kettlebridge anywhere near Kingskettle? I can remember my father talking about it as the family home before they moved to Dunfermline.
Neil, In case you hadn't guessed. 'twas very much tongue in cheek
Kettlebridge is about 400 metres from Kingskettle
. That's why I used the name Kettlebridge has one of THE best pubs in Fife. Great beer, great atmosphere, great setiing, superb views over the Lomond Hills and the Howe of Fife. As an extra they also do superb Tex/Mex food.
Post by: Xairbusdriver on August 25, 2006, 03:05:33 PM
And you never know what kind of 'cuisine' might be found in them, either. "Tex/Mex"!? As in Fish 'n Chips tacos? 
BTW, I'm amazed at the number of you 'Brits' who keep asking about where places are. Don't they still publish those Ordinance map books?!
Last one we bought was for Ireland. An essential item when travelling in places where the accent is often unfamiliar!
Post by: David on August 25, 2006, 05:43:00 PM
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Don't they still publish those Ordinance map books?! Last one we bought was for Ireland. An essential item when travelling in places where the accent is often unfamiliar!
Sorry Jim, but we haven't published an "Ordinance" map since we learned how to spel. Last one we bought was for Ireland. An essential item when travelling in places where the accent is often unfamiliar! 
http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/mapshop/index.html
Post by: krissel on August 28, 2006, 03:18:56 AM
Post by: gunug on August 28, 2006, 06:15:53 AM
Post by: Highmac on August 28, 2006, 10:55:21 AM
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The roots of Great Britain's Ordnance Survey (OS) go back to 1747, when King George II commissioned a military survey of the Scottish highlands following the Jacobite revolt of 1745. William Roy was the engineer responsible for this pioneering work; one of the staff involved was noted artist Paul Sandby. It was not until 1790 that the Board of Ordnance (the predecessor of the Ministry of Defence) began a national military survey starting with the south coast of England in anticipation of a French invasion.
So it is "ordnance" because of its military origins...
How the heck did we get from wellington boots to maps...?
Edit to add: I've just realised how the US came about - George II was obviously so concerned about finding a route to the Scottish rebels he didn't notice what was going on in North America between 1747 and 1776...
Post by: gunug on August 28, 2006, 12:49:25 PM
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I've just realised how the US came about - George II was obviously so concerned about finding a route to the Scottish rebels he didn't notice what was going on in North America between 1747 and 1776...
Well, everyone is America knows this but we feel it that predestination had something to do with it as well!