Archives => 2006 => Topic started by: dakota on October 08, 2006, 02:17:50 PM
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: dakota on October 08, 2006, 02:17:50 PM
All of a sudden, there is no Applications folder on my HD. On the left side column, it shows up, but does not appear as an icon on the HD. The only applications folder whch appears is OS 9. If I do a "find", it says it's on the HD Where on earth did it go?
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: Gregg on October 08, 2006, 02:30:52 PM
When you do the "find" can you see the "path" to that folder???
Maybe it moved within the window it resides in and it's out of view?
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: dakota on October 08, 2006, 03:16:23 PM
When you do the "find" can you see the "path" to that folder???
Maybe it moved within the window it resides in and it's out of view?
Find shows Macintosh HD - Applications. It's not visible, though.
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: kbeartx on October 08, 2006, 04:58:41 PM
I have two theories -
1) It's been made invisible somehow.
2) You have significant directory damage, and it's not where the directory says it is, so the OS can't locate it.
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: dakota on October 08, 2006, 05:19:28 PM
And if theory #1 is correct?????
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: kbeartx on October 08, 2006, 05:45:48 PM
I believe there are several utilities [some of them Freeware] that will make invisible files and folders visible again [I vaguely recall that it's also possible w/o any third-party program, but I dunno how it's done].
I do remember that the Find command can be configured to locate invisible files / folders [it's in the additional options at the bottom of the Find window].
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: MamaMoose on October 08, 2006, 05:58:49 PM
Since it showsd up in Find, use the following (from Help menu):
1. In the Finder, choose File > Find.
2. Select the location where you want to perform the search.
3. Define your search using the pop-up menus.
Choose Other from the pop-up list, then select Visibility in the search attributelist. To add this attribute to the Find dialog's pop-up menu for easy access, select "Add to Favorites." Click OK to finish.
Choose Invisible from the second pop-up menu.
4. If you want, click the Add (+) button to add additional search criteria.
5. Type letters or words in the search box to begin searching, or click the Search Again button in the lower-right corner of the window.
You can save your search as a Smart Folder if you wish. Click Save, then type a name and choose a location for the folder. Select "Add to Sidebar" to access the folder more conveniently later.
MamaMoose
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: dakota on October 08, 2006, 06:32:21 PM
Well, new problems. Folder showed up on a search for "invisible", but now appears to have lost the "A" on the folder. Do I dare try Disk Warrior???
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: kbeartx on October 08, 2006, 08:46:11 PM
FWIW, I've never heard word one about DW causing any probs, so IMO you've got nothing to lose by running it.
I think the A on the folder is something the OS does to it, and since the OS can't see it, I'm not surprised that its A is missing.
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: dakota on October 08, 2006, 10:14:40 PM
Followed Mama Moose's instructions and somehow wound up trashing all my applications. I then ran Disk Warrior, still no Applications folder. Then reinstalled 10.4.6, doing an archive and install, and still no Applications folder. Finally figured "What the heck" and did the update to 10.4.8. Still no Applications folder. The icon in the sidebar DOES have the "A", and if I click on it, it brings up all my apps, which mysteriously reappeared. However, Versiontracker is not picking up any of my apps, even when I try to add them, since, I am assuming, they are invisible on the HD window itself. Any more help before I throw this computer out the window????
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: krissel on October 09, 2006, 02:23:42 AM
Are you looking at your open folders in icon view? If so try changing that to List or column view to see if that makes any difference.
I think something like this happened to RobW if my brain is not fooling me. Will see if I can search for it.
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: sandbox on October 09, 2006, 08:44:57 AM
Applications is part of the system, open terminal and type this ls -l / small L small s space dash small L space slash
it looks like this ls -l / tell me what you see.
if you can see it in finder, click to highlight it, Get-info Under Detail>ower>system should be locked
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: RobW on October 09, 2006, 09:04:50 AM
Are you looking at your open folders in icon view? If so try changing that to List or column view to see if that makes any difference.
I think something like this happened to RobW if my brain is not fooling me. Will see if I can search for it.
Kris, your brain and memory is doing pretty darn well. If I remember correctly--and I should, since it was my question back then--my apps folder was present in my home folder--but I happened to discover that the folder itself was empty. The apps only showed up in the apps folder on the sidebar. If I can find the thread, I'll post it just to see if there was anything relevant in there.
EDIT:
Ok, here it is from back in May 2005. Not sure it'll help, but it may apply to somebody else's problem down the road.
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: Paddy on October 09, 2006, 09:55:40 AM
Um...is this just a VISIBILITY issue? It would appear to be so, from the description of the symptoms. If so, this should help:
Of course, this doesn't answer the question of just how it became invisible in the first place...
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: dakota on October 09, 2006, 12:29:21 PM
Don't know how I managed it, but I am back up and running. Found the folder with File Buddy. It showed up as being in home folder/.trash. I can't even repeat the steps I went through, but I finally had it appear in the reglar trash bin, and I had my App folder back on my HD. Now I have one small problem, other than having to reinstall Norton Antivirus, since those items would not copy over. I am missing half my sounds in the Sounds folder in the Library in system. I can't copy them over, since it says they can not be modified. How do I get them into the current Sounds folder?
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: RNKIII on October 09, 2006, 01:04:17 PM
DO NOT reinstall NORTON.... BAD APP., BAD APP.
Norton has been known to do ALL SORTS of bad things to OSx...
Bob K. rnkiii
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: kbeartx on October 09, 2006, 01:16:14 PM
I am missing half my sounds in the Sounds folder in the Library in system. I can't copy them over, since it says they can not be modified.
If you drag them one at a time into the Sounds folder, you'll be given the option to Authenticate, at which time you enter your Password.
If that does not work out, try doing the copying when booted to a CD.
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: Paddy on October 09, 2006, 03:10:42 PM
Glad you were able to make it visible again, Dakota; FileBuddy is another app that can do this sort of thing, but since it's not free, I didn't suggest it. XRay is free, and sounds like a handy sort of thing to have around. (FileBuddy also gets less than stellar reviews on it's more recent/beta versions - and several at VersionTracker noted that the beta has stopped working and there is no replacement)
And I'll second Bob's admonition about Norton - do NOT, under any circumstances, reinstall it. It is no longer supported for OS X and it's issues are now legion. I'm of the opinion that one doesn't need anti-virus software in OS X for the very simple reason that there are NO OS X viruses out there in the wild. However, if you really feel the need for it though, go for ClamAV; http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/24449 (it's free!)
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: tacit on October 09, 2006, 04:06:51 PM
One technique which really helps in cases like this:
In the Finder, if you hold down the Command key on the keyboard and click on the name of a window for an open folder, you will see exactly where that folder is on the hard drive. So if you click on the Applications in the side bar, then Command-click on the title of the window, you'll see where it is.
Also, you can move a folder by clicking on the little picture of the folder in the title bar, and dragging it to where you want it to be. So the easy fix for this problem would be to click on Applications in the sidebar, and when your applications window opens, click on the picture of the folder, hold down the mouse button, and drag to your hard disk.
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: dakota on October 09, 2006, 04:31:10 PM
I had tried dragging it from the sidebar, but it went up in a poof of smoke the same way the items from the dock do, when you remove them. I will gladly take the advice on Norton. I do have another question. Anyone using any firewall other than Apple's own, like Net Barrier? Is it necessary, does it do any good? Asking only because I do own it, just never installed it on this computer.
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: Paddy on October 09, 2006, 05:13:00 PM
Do you use a router? I consider one essential if using an always-on broadband connection. Generally, the combination of a router which provides a hardware firewall and Apple's built-in software firewall is pretty darn good, and will do the job. No need for additional software.
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: dakota on October 09, 2006, 07:58:09 PM
Use broadband - Airport.
Title: Applications Folder missing from HD
Post by: krissel on October 09, 2006, 11:13:43 PM
Ok, here it is from back in May 2005. Not sure it'll help, but it may apply to somebody else's problem down the road.
Oh, thanks. I couldn't find it via Search. I see it really wasn't the same problem but similar enough to make a few cells of my grey matter speak to me...