Post by: MrsLop on October 19, 2006, 01:16:58 PM
The newer Mac is a G3 450MHz 384MB RAM 100MHz Bus.
I can't believe it just yet, I just keep looking at it and rubbing my eyes. I am so overwhelmed.
Thank you so much kris:
I have known some very fine human beings on this Earth and especially on TS. I have to say that, Kris, you went to extraordinary lengths to make my dreams come true. If you could just see my expression you would know that I am just bursting with joy.
chriskleeman, DaveF and RobW all contributed to making sure that I stay online with software, hardware, connections and to restoring my files -including zip100, disks and a hub.
I received it about an hour and a half ago. I couldn't get online immediately because I forgot to plug in the modem.
Since I know nothing at all about this machine and especially OS 10.3.9, I am going to have a lot of catching up to do with most of this community.
I followed your instructions, Kris, and I didn't hook up the hub yet...I need to do this. I also need to set up my mail accounts but I can still get to my mail from Cox regardless of whether I set up an automatic to the desktop thing.
I have several questions about upgrades to the machine already. I probably won't do this today, but I need the information, as I probably will do the upgrade in November.
1- Who do you trust to buy memory from?
I need PC100 256MB SDRAM DIMMS 168pin. I did a search to find out what Apple specs are. I haven't gotten brave enough to open the case yet and haven't even looked inside. According to kris, there are already a 256MB and a 128MB running on this machine.
2- What kind of speakers could I hook up to this system? My husband does a lot of listening to music online as he publishes an online Christian music newsletter. I would like to surprise him with this. eBay has some Harmon Kardon speakers which seem to be very inexpensive according to my son. I can do this right away. I just don't know what works with this particular system.
Kris I still can't believe it. Please extend my Thanks to your Dad as well. My God shower you with an abundance of His choicest blessings.
Love, Blessings and Prayers,
Myrna
Post by: RobW on October 19, 2006, 01:25:08 PM
There was recently a thread about speaker recommendations. You can find it here. If I recall correctly, there were several good recommendations made in that thread.I've always been happy with "OWC" when it comes to buying RAM. Others here have been happy with other vendors, and I know there's been threads from time to time on this topic.
Again, enjoy the Mac, and I hope the person you meant to thank gets the credit they deserve.
(Might it have been "BobW"?? He's also a Philly guy.)EDIT: By the way, you might want to pick up the "Missing Manual" book by David Pogue about OS 10.3. His books are easy (and often fun) to read--and VERY helpful. You can find the Panther edition for that OS here. I believe it's half-price at that site.
Post by: MrsLop on October 19, 2006, 01:42:20 PM
Thank you, I stand corrected, I am so overwhelmed with so many thoughts. Thank you for the tip on the book, I'll need all the refernce material that I can find right now.I love golden retrievers. My daughter has had two of them but both passed away. I trusted them around my grandchildren, they are wonderful, loving and very forgiving of little children and their antics. The males are expecially gentle with children.
Blessings and Prayers,
Myrna
Post by: MrsLop on October 19, 2006, 01:58:01 PM
I have an emergency!
My mail account is set up for exactly one. How do I set up more identities on this machine? My husband will probably be amused. I need to set up my Intercessory Prayer line account post haste, as many requests come through this that we need to pray for.
Thanks for any advice you can give on this matter.
Blessings and Prayers,
MrsLop
Post by: krissel on October 19, 2006, 07:36:11 PM
I'm so glad you like the new Mac! As I mentioned to you I was impressed with how quick it ran. Looks like you didn't have much trouble getting it set up and online.
If you want to create another mail account you will need to follow the instructions I gave you in the last email for setting up accounts Mail, Prefs, Accounts, use the + at the bottom of the pane to start the new account, then fill in the info for him.
If you mean a new "user" on the Mac then you need to go into System Prefs (grey Apple with light switch) and click on "Accounts". There you will see the same type of window and pane as in Mail with the + at the bottom. Click the + and you will get a new box where you can put in "Name", "Short name", "Password", "Hint" , etc. for Tom. Then you can go to the "Limitations" and either give him full authority as an admin or make him a regular user. I would not suggest creating a master password or using File Vault. You really don't need it and it could be disastrous if you forget the password.
Creating a new user for Tom will allow him to have his own environment and preferences while using the Mac. But you will have to log in and out as you switch users. You can enable fast user switching by clicking on the "Login Options" at the bottom of the pane in "Accounts" and checking the appropriate box.
Hope this answers your question. Don't know anything about external speakers to purchase. I hooked up some old stereo ones I had via an ancient amplifier that was gathering dust. Just fortunate all the pieces fit and worked.
So happy you are now running a reliable machine. It was bobw that sent the hub and cables. And my thanks as well to DaveF, bobw and of course ChrisK (who BTW is quite a talented musician!) for helping out in this endeavour. Took a little longer than expected but it all worked out just right.
all! 
Post by: RHPConsult on October 19, 2006, 10:28:26 PM
Sounds like you're really "modernized" now, thanks to that Talented Team of TeeEssers helping out.
Outstanding!
Post by: MrsLop on October 19, 2006, 11:42:03 PM
I still can't believe it. I have been very busy doing mail accounts on the new(er) Mac. Kris helped to walk me through it.OS X is so responsive and this machine is quite fast albeit it only has 384MB of RAM.
Sometimes Tom does go to some artists websites which have a lot of graphics and music, so I am thinking of installing more RAM if he has a problem with it. Anew mouse and some speakers for Tom are probably all I need for the machine. My son wants to know if we can get his PC on the same cable line as the Mac, so maybe I will need a router. Otherwise, it should be fine for my day to day needs.
Again, it was TSers to the rescue of MrsLop.
I am having so much fun and I can't wait to learn more about all the things it can do.
Blessings and Prayers,
Myrna
Post by: chriskleeman on October 19, 2006, 11:54:13 PM
Yea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is way cool! Way to go Krissel! And DaveF and bobw, but I gotta tell ya' Kris, you need a Santa suit!
Now, can anyone use a Powerbase 200 with a Powerlogix G3 300 card upgrade? While I was futzing around trying to get it working for Myrna, Kris decided to rock the house!
C'mon, it has a massive 2 GB drive, a 40XCDR, 144 MB RAM, VGA and Mac monitor outputs, + an ethernet card... seriously, if anyone needs it, take it for free!
I'm so happy for you Myrna!
Seriously, Kris deserves a huge pat on the back. We had a lot of e-mails back and forth through this process, and she has put in a lot of time and effort. Of course, the tutorials she had to take on older Mac hardware and ethernet didn't hurt a bit
Again, through the process of this effort, I am reminded of the remarkable community that TS is. Just fantastic!
Myrna, you won't believe how fast that machine will guide you through your internet browsing. Enjoy!
Chris K
Post by: krissel on October 20, 2006, 01:25:20 AM
Thanks Chris. But you put in as much with that Powerbase... and now it needs a good home.
I think Chris and I now know more about the older hardware than we ever thought we would. Kind of like taking a history class.
No sooner did I post the reply in the thread earlier than the phone rang and I was delighted to hear Myrna on the other end. Much easier to explain things when both people are looking at the screen and working together.
Next we have to get the Mac to see the Laserwriter for printing. It may just be a case of being sure AppleTalk is on and things are hooked up in the right order.
I am more than thrilled that things are going well so far and I could help out. That is what being a TSer is all about.
A new day...
Post by: Epaminondas on October 20, 2006, 09:01:38 AM
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I need PC100 256MB SDRAM DIMMS 168pin. I did a search to find out what Apple specs are. I haven't gotten brave enough to open the case yet and haven't even looked inside. According to kris, there are already a 256MB and a 128MB running on this machine.
The Grackle memory controller on the B&Ws is very, very picky - particularly when running MacOS 10.x. It is probably best to run identical RAM chips from the same manufacturer.
. . . you need to look for SDRAM modules capable of running safely at 100MHz (PC100 - even if backward compatible from a PC133 standard), with a Latency value of 2-2-2 at 100MHz and capable of handling refresh sequences with 8ns. intervals.
The B&Ws originally shipped with 10ns RAM from the factory, even though the official Apple spec was 8ns at the time - there was not sufficient 8ns RAM available at the time of shipping. 10ns RAM worked fine with MacOSs prior to MacOSX, but there can be real problems with 10ns RAM and MacOSX. If you still have any 10ns RAM in that machine and you plan on running MacOSX, you may want to pull the 10ns RAM first.
There have been problems reported with OWC RAM in the B&Ws. I believe that MacGurus RAM is probably your best choice for additional RAM in the B&W:
256 MB PC100/PC133 DIMMS 32x4 build, 8 NS, CL2
Sweet spot for RAM in the B&Ws running MacOSX has most often reported to be 768MB. Anything over that is gravy - or specific to your needs.
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Full Blue and White Service manual here:
http://homepage.mac.com/rstephens/.Public/..._blue.white.pdf
Excellent information on the B&W here - scroll down the page to <<G3 System Reviews and Related Articles>>. Excellent information as to the Revision 1 vs. Revivion 2 B&Ws, IDE hard drive issues, Firewire issues, etc.:
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems.html
Additional information on the B&W here:
http://www.lowendmac.com/ppc/g3c.shtml
Post by: MrsLop on October 20, 2006, 10:59:35 AM
Thank you Epam, for the links. I just downloaded the pdf on G3's from the MacGurus site. I'm so glad that you stopped by with that information. I was very concerned about installations and types to buy. There are lots of RAM that don't work - if the complaints on the internet forums are any indication. People who just want to sell stuff will sometimes state things which are erroneous. I am glad that I have TS to come to for honest experiences with these things.
kris, you are so right about Chris. He is surely a very versatile and very talented musician. I listened to his Blues CD.
Chris, you were a real TS angel with all you did to try to get that machine working for me. You spent so much time on the project. Thanks again for the Panther CD's. kudos to you and I am blessed to have you as a friend.
OK, kris,
I looked at the back of my B&W and there is no (phone) modem connection, as Apple made that an option. Theoretically, the Ethernet jack was all that I needed to plug into the B&W. The connections to the Serial Port, as I said last night in our phone conversation, had to be removed in favor of the Farallon which was supplied by bobw. The question then becomes, where does all the other stuff get connected, using what adapters and what cables? I looked in vain all morning for the instructions from bobw, but I can't locate them. (Bad Myrna- go and sit in your box, in the corner and don't come out until you remember where you put those instructions!)
What I have on hand:
Farallon EtherMac iPrint Adapter LT with TECHWORKS Serial port Adapter connecting both. TECHWORKS has two opennings for connectors to the Farallon EtherMac. EtherMac,( is connected already also has a serial plug in openning. At the other end, it is connected with still another)
CSA Type PCC cable which is connected to the hub already.
One Plug-in Class 2 Transformer (with Serial receptor type end.)
Farallon Fast Starlet Dual Speed Hub/5
Additional (Blue) Cable (labeled by bobw, plug this end into back of computer and connected to the hub already).
I was assured that this was a plug and play with no drivers needed.
Don't know what went wrong. I did exactly what the instructions directed me to do, at the time. I had to disconnect everything and disconnect the printer again so that I could get the Mac back up and online. No one told me that I would have to be a contortionist to get the things into such small spaces.LOL
That's all for now.
Blessings and Prayers to you all,
Myrna
Post by: krissel on October 20, 2006, 11:00:26 AM
A 256 chip added to the 384 would probably be plenty for her needs.
FWIW, the B/W in question is a Rev. 2 and is already running 10.3.9 with 9.2.2 as Classic and also on a separate partition.
(10.3.9 on 20G partition, 9.2.2 on 10G---of course a bit less for each due to formatting oddities)
Post by: krissel on October 20, 2006, 12:42:18 PM
I put out an email to bobw to see if he can stop by this thread when he gets a chance to help sort out this mess.
Have to admit I really am not sure what is connected to what since I don't know all the parts involved.
Back later, need to take a nap.
Post by: bobw on October 20, 2006, 01:32:08 PM
For the printer.
The Farallon iPrint, hub and Phonenet adapter I sent should have all been connected properly.
The Blue Ethernet cable from the Hub plugs into the Ethernet port on the back of the machine.
The Phonenet adapter was plugged into the Farallon iPrint, the other cable coming out of it plugs into the printer's serial (round) port.
Then go to the Print Center and see if the printer shows up, check IP printing while in there.
I never used the iPrint in an OS X system, but I think it will need to be setup using an IP.
Another way would be to install on the OS 9 system and share the printer with OS X.
Post by: MrsLop on October 20, 2006, 02:43:11 PM
I know that I followed your instructions yesterday. Nothing came on -at all. I don't know what happened or why. I know that I checked to see if the lamp would light up if I plugged it into the same strip, so it wasn't the electricity. Believe me, I tried everything. I emailed kris this PM and told her that the there was no sign of life and everything else went down with it. So, I couldn't make the choices from anything on the Mac. I had to disconnect all the cables and plugs from the Farralon setup and reconnect the regular setup for the system to get back online.
I only have the modem, monitor, printer, ADB mouse w/keyboard and Ethernet plugged in right now and all I changed was to add the Farallon w/ everything that you sent. You may be right about trying to set this up on OS 9 instead.
I really need to get this printer up and running. My husband uses it for worksheets etc for the students at his school. They have one printer at school, the rest of the faculty and staff and anyone attached to ministries at the church also use it, so it's very hard on him to get time on that printer. Now that he doesn't have a free period, it's even harder as he has to go in much earlier and/or stay later, if he has any printing to do. The poor guy never complains either. I just want to do this for his sake.
I hope that I can find a way to do this before he has to go back to school again on Monday morning.
Thank you so much for sending me the Farallon and for the instructions and for your help here on the board. I am so sorry that I mistakenly gave a Thank You to RobW and he brought my attention to the person who deserved the credit, which was of course, you.
Blessings and Prayers,
Myrna
Post by: bobw on October 20, 2006, 02:52:38 PM
Try this.
Disconnect which ever Ethernet cable you have plugged into the back of the machine.
Plug the Ethernet cable from the Farallon adapter into that Ethernet port.
Plug the phonenet adapter (round plug) into the printer.
Boot into OS 9 and see if the printer is reconigized.
Post by: MrsLop on October 20, 2006, 08:17:04 PM
Well, there's good news and there's bad news. The good news is, I finally got a light on the Farallon Hub and on the Adapter. The bad news is, that OS 9.2.2 doesn't have my printer in the Printer Utility or anything that I could recognize. I set a LaserWriter 8 Generic up, however, since I had no option for the Personal LaserWriter 320, it would not allow me to use Auto Setup, as I had available in OS 8.6. Also, this was a used drive that was networked as a LAN, AppleTalk was Ethernet and I don't know how to change this, though I looked through the usual drop down menus. I wanted to simply change it to a local talk printer (sigh). I am really trying to learn two systems at once and I am abysmal at this. It makes sense that the modem won't come on now. When I am on OS 9.2.2, I can't get online. If both OS'eS systems are Ethernet for AppleTalk, and the printer and hub get plugged in, and there's no internal modem, then the Printer is Ethernet and nothing else. So, I can't use the Internet, as I can't get online with the present setup.
I'm sure that there's an answer to this.
Also, the little adapter going from the Farallon to the printer (when I pulled the plug after not being able to get the printer to work), was smelling like it was having a meltdown. It was very hot to the touch. Just as well that I pulled the plug when I did.
Blessings and Prayers,
Myrna
Post by: kbeartx on October 20, 2006, 09:52:54 PM
I realize that y'all are dealing w/ a different machine and Panther, not Jag, but I wonder if this limitation might be what you're bumping up against?
Post by: krissel on October 21, 2006, 02:33:34 AM
I do know the G3 was able to go online in 9 via ethernet and my router so that is not the problem. I think the suggestion to do all the configuring from the OS 9 side and then enable sharing from there to allow X to see the printer is correct.
AppleTalk should be set to Ethernet as that is the only way to access anything from the G3. You won't be able to get online til the hub is a part of the equation.
Now it may be that a router is going to be necessary after all to be able to maintain the connection to the internet at the same time as using the printer. I know you need a router not a hub to share the net with two computers but I don't have any experience with hubs in this situation.
Anyone use only a hub with a printer, Mac and cable modem?
Myrna, you may have to temporarily reconnect the old Mac to print Tom's work. While you are there, look in the System Folder on that machine and see if there are any other Laserwriter extensions that you could copy to a zip and then put into the G3's 9 extension folders (reboot into 9 after you do that). These must be in the 9 folder: Control panels: AppleTalk, File Sharing Extensions: AppleShare, Apple Enet (if you're using the built-in Ethernet port), File Sharing Extension and Laserwriter 8 and/or others. BTW you aren't trying to set this up under Classic are you? Make sure you boot by restarting into one of the 9 installs so you are completely in the OS 9 environment.
If you are able to see the printer in 9 and enable sharing, then when you go back to X, open the Printer Setup Utility again, Printers, Add Printer but this time when you go to click on the "Printers" in the Menu, hold down the Option key and choose "Advanced" in the top popup. In the "Device" popup look way up/down the list for the Laserwriter.
Folks, what about the possibility of her using the old 4400 as a print server? Or would that be ridiculous?
More effort that it's worth?
Post by: Epaminondas on October 21, 2006, 09:40:57 AM
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FWIW, the B/W in question is a Rev. 2 and is already running 10.3.9 with 9.2.2 as Classic and also on a separate partition.
(10.3.9 on 20G partition, 9.2.2 on 10G---of course a bit less for each due to formatting oddities)
(10.3.9 on 20G partition, 9.2.2 on 10G---of course a bit less for each due to formatting oddities)
This is helpful.
What is the hard drive set-up? SCSI or IDE? If IDE, where is the drive(s) physically located in the B&W? Specific drive controllers and drives?
Myrna - the Rev. 2 450 MHz B&W was top of the line in its time. Most of the B&W bugs - except RAM pickinesses - were worked out by the time it came along. You have a good machine, there.
I have one. 256MB RAM. MacOS 9.2.2. SCSI drives X 3.
It was a whizzer in its time.
Haven't used it in a while.
Why?
My October 2002 $200 1.0 GHz Celeron Walmart Linux box runs rings around it.
Any cheapo Intel box produced since 2002 running any OS will run rings around it.
However - if you are comitted to the Macintosh platform, the B&W should still be able to do the job.
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A few tidbits about RAM in the B&Ws.
10ns RAM and/or 3-3-3 RAM may work fine in the B&Ws running MacOSX until stressed. People may report glitches perhaps a few times a week when running non-spec RAM that may be cleared up by running spec RAM (2-2-2 8ns).
As to adding more RAM - the MacGurus RAM is the only RAM out there that I would feel comfortable with. A few bucks more, but they really, really, really know their stuff.
Unfortuately, adding RAM to a B&W is not as simple as simply adding spec RAM to a B&W:
If you currently have 10ns RAM and you add 8ns RAM, the Grackle memory controller may not be able to handle it. Reports are anything from instability to not booting. Cure in that circumstance is to remove either the old or the new RAM.
So - before you buy any new RAM for this machine, it may be useful for you to determine what you have already so you will know what you may be up against and be able to plan accordingly.
Two (possibly three) methods to do this:
(1) Run DIMM first Aid 1.2 on your B&W under MacOS9.x.x:
http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/5714
DIMM first Aid 1.2 reviews - note the review about the one bad memory module out of four on a B&W:
http://www.macupdate.com/reviews.php?id=5714
Typical usage of DIMM First Aid 1.2 on a B&W:
http://www.macgurus.com/forums/showthread....=DIMM+Aid+B%26W
Or
(2) Pull your RAM (using antistatic precautions) and with some good light and a magnifying glass, copy every number and letter off of both sides of the RAM. Then go web searching for exactly what kind of RAM you have. If the web search is not fruitful, someone here or someone as www.macgurus.com can probably help you if you post the numbers.
Or
(3) You might want to try MemTest 4.1.4 on the B&W running MacOSX:
http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/14004
I use MemTest on Linux - I understand that the MacOSX version is a port from the Linux version. It is a RAM stress test that you run overnight. I have never used it on MacOSX, however (I do not run MacOSX). MemTest is a different sort of animal from DIMM First Aid - but the two different programs may prove to be complementary for you.
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Folks, what about the possibility of her using the old 4400 as a print server?
That was my thought. Exactly.
Plan C.
Plan A is to let others handle the printer issue until they finally get it working. This remains Plan A. Hope springs eternal.
Plan B is to hope that someone might provide a compatible USB printer.
Plan C - is using the old Mac as a print server.
Note - back in the day when I was using Apple equipment and Apple was upgrading from one system to another and intentionally obsoleteing all my old equipment and software every few years so that I would have to continually buy new equipment and new software, one way to keep the old stuff accessible was to keep the old stuff networked to the new, and just run the old stuff off the older networked machine(s).
That got to be a bit Rube Goldberg at times and I got tired of it. But if you are on the cheap - it works when ya need it to work.
Inelegant, though.
Most inelegant.
Which kinda defeated the whole Apple experience.
Ultimate cure for this sort of silliness for me has been to switch over to Linux - where no one intentionally obsoletes old equipment or software and you just do not run into this sort of problem.
With Linux - you buy a printer and you use that printer as long as that printer still functions.
Plus - the software is free and all software upgrades are free.
None of these silly (and expensive) Apple forced upgrade treadmill games of no longer supporting older ports or older printers.
Try that kind of garbage in Linux and you would be quickly escorted out of the room - or completely ignored.
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Anyone use only a hub with a printer, Mac and cable modem?
I've done it with a router with a printer, Mac and cable modem. Shared with my Linux box.
But the router had a print server on board and the printer had to be a Postscript printer for it to work with the Mac.
Hmmm . . .
Best go back to Plan A.
Plans B and C held in reserve.
Regards,
Epaminondas
Post by: MrsLop on October 21, 2006, 10:09:31 AM
My Personal LaserWriter 320 is a PostScript Rev.Level2.
According to the information that I have gotten from other TSer's about their LaserWriter Printers, mine has a potential life of 80,000 or more copies left.
I am on the separate partition running OS 9.2.2, that krissel installed.
She also installed OS 10.3.9 and Classic 9.2.2
I installed AppleWorks 6.1.2 for my husband to do his publishing and school related work on - in the separate partition.
I was able to get the IE 5.1.7 up and here on the board.
If I need to get a router, well, at least my husband can get his work done.
I know someone who is a recent graduate of a computer school and he swears by Linux. I have not seen the operating system and I don't know anything about it from personal experience. I have noticed that some sites are accomodating the Linux.
Thanks again for the links and I will check them out. My son called me from the Apple Store yesterday, where the Mac Tech person there said that the PC100 memory that he has is compatible with my B&W. I told him not to get too excited about the potential recycling in my machine, having read your previous post about the pickiness of the B&W concerning RAM.
Concerning this B&W, it cooks compared to what I had.
My grown children and family own Windows machines and I have to say that they have blazing speed on their machines. Due to wider availabilty of products for Windows based machines, they have no problems finding stuff like scanners and printers etc... The only problems that they encounter is the operating systems fail.....LOL. For the third time in 6 months, my son's PC has had to go in for repairs.
I am having fun with the new(er) Mac.
The only problem that I have right now is getting the printer issue resolved.
Perhaps, someone will have some answers for me later....
'Bye for now.
Blessings and Prayers,
Myrna
Post by: chriskleeman on October 21, 2006, 07:16:30 PM
Chris K
Post by: MrsLop on October 21, 2006, 08:48:07 PM
Well, I had an interesting day. Tom was trying to remove the air conditioner from the window in the bedroom and it fell out of the second story window. Fortunately, the Azalea Shrubs below cushioned the fall. Unfortunately, Tom hurt his rib cage carrying it up two flight of stairs. Curiosity got the best of me and I plugged it in to see if it would still work - and it did. I told Tom that he was very blessed, after all he could have fallen out of the window with the airconditioner. What are the chances of this happening and having the air still work? We both laughted a lot. Tom's eldest son, TJ, showed up this PM to help remove the living room air conditioner. He has to climb up a ladder to do this, every year.
I am still coughing a lot and everything aches, but I'm alright. The doctor couldn't see me until Monday of next week. I can bear with it until then.
Thank you for coming up with this idea of networking the Power Base. Originally, this whole thing started due to the grinding noises coming from the hard drive on the 4400. I think that its' days are numbered, so the idea of using it as a printer server concerned me quite a bit. I'd really rather not go there with the 4400. I am not very well informed about networking and all that it entails. This is probably a question for Kris. She isn't available today but will probably check in on the board much later on this evening.
It would probably be best to email her and see what she thinks. The only other thing I can do is to try to use a router. I don't know what kind will work with this system and the possible addition of my son's PC. He brought it over yesterday. It is huge. I think he said that it is a server based type PC. He had this custom built by a friend who is a recent graduate of a tech school. It's about a year old. I really tried to find out more about routers by doing a search on TS. I am just so tired that nothing is really registering in my brain right now. I am just literally bone weary.
Picture me at 4'11'', crawling around on my knees, trying to get myself into a space about 15" wide, to reach the back of the computer desk, and fishing my hand around to free up a tangle of wires. Picture me doing this about six times and you will have a good idea of why I am so achey today. With no lighting in that area at all, I was literally working in the dark down there. With Tom counted as one of the walking wounded, I had no choice but to do it again by myself. Anyway, at least I tried and tried and tried....I think I'd better take the night off and maybe even tomorrow too. I need to get some
Have a great evening.
Love, Blessings and Prayers,
Myrna
Post by: Paddy on October 21, 2006, 08:51:46 PM
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1679733,00.asp for a nice review.
Also have an extra Linksys router if you'd like that too.
Post by: Epaminondas on October 21, 2006, 09:23:57 PM
http://macosx.com/tech-support/laserwriter...iger/11341.html
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25587
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106707
Post by: MrsLop on October 21, 2006, 09:25:38 PM
,Poor Tom, I just wanted to do something nice for him. He has been going into school at 5:30AM just to use the school printer.
I have tried everything that I could think of to try and get my Personal LaserWriter 320 connected, but the old port type just won't work with this beautiful new system. I have worked so hard and with nothing to show for my efforts but aches and pains.
Tom was so deflated with no printer up and running for him to use.
So,
I accept your kind and generous offer of the HP and Linksys. I still don't know much about these things like setting up a network and routersand such. Cox is no help as they would prefer that I pay to have them come in and set up the home networking. They are getting to be greedy and every little extra thing they do costs.
glad that you posted this evening. I can finally get a good night's sleep.Love, Blessings and Prayers,
Myrna
Post by: chriskleeman on October 21, 2006, 09:48:33 PM
Connecting a router shouldn't cause any problems for you. Does Cox have a tech support line?
I think we can probably get it worked out somehow without you having to pay them another dime.
Be well,
Chris K
Post by: krissel on October 21, 2006, 10:13:20 PM
Many additional thanks to E and Paddy for their contributions and Chris for his generous offer.
Sounds like all problems will be solved shortly.
Oh, BTW, Myrna you didn't have to install AppleWorks in the separate partition. You can use the Appleworks that is installed on the X partition. If I remember correctly I put an alias to AW in the drop down Apple Menu (under the colored apple in the upper left corner while in 9). That alias refers to the AW in the X drive. Drag down to it and let go and it should open the program. I remember doing it but I can't remember if after all the changes I made with the drives whether that version of the Apple Menu was the one that I left for you. Anyway, take a look when you are in 9 and see if it is there. Hmm, now I can't remember if it is also in the 9 I put in for Classic....no I don't think I did it for that one, just the separate 9 system.
But no harm done if you have two installs of AW, at least you have the space on the drive.
Now, I can sleep tonight, too.
Post by: MrsLop on October 22, 2006, 10:29:32 AM
I went to the Cox Communications Tech Support page for home networking and found out that the reason that I had a dead connection attempting to hook up the Farallon Hub to the Cox High Speed Internet connection was because Cox insists that you order (and pay for) multiple connection access using a hub.
. Greedy Cox!Of course, they also offer to come out to your home to do the installs of anything electronic or computer related devices - for a price!
If I only use a router and/or Airport with the modem, I don't get charged anything extra.
Ergo, if there is a workaround for this, I have no idea what it might be. Between Apple and Cox I seem to be
. Hopefully, I can get the HP 5740 connected and working. Cox also has a listing of unsupported printers and they don't seem to like HP very much, as many of the printers listed were HP printers. Although the 5740 was not on the list.
That's the situation as of today.
Love, Blessings and Prayers,
Myrna
Post by: MrsLop on October 22, 2006, 11:11:09 AM
You are a real angel of mercy!
I just don't know what to say in the face of such selfless giving. I hope that I can get this HP connected with some help from TS; but it's nice to know that I can depend on you in case of an emergency. If I do, I insist that you bring your guitar, too! What can I say, except Thank You for caring.Kris,
You and Chris, have been the best of friends to me. I can only imagine the money, hours and days of work that you have already spent working on this project behind the scenes. Kris, the time we spent on the phone was really important. I feel so especially blessed to have you both in my life.
Paddy,
Right from my earliest beginnings on TS, when I thought that everything would explode or self destruct if I did the wrong thing, you have been there, as well. Your generosity is heartwarming and very much appreciated.
Bernie,
You began this adventureous journey for me, by sending me my first Mac. I remember the continued posts between kelly about what Mac to send MrsLop.
The list of all those members on the TS forum, who supported me during my Chemotherapy and Radiation treatments, while struggling to learn how to use a Mac and right up until today, is very long. I never used a computer before coming to this board on a WebTV keyboard.
Compassion is something that I never expected to see at work on a Tech board. Nor did I expect such generosity. I am very blessed to have you all in my life. Thank you all for your many kindnesses, time, talent and gifts. Thank you for caring and being willing to share. Thanks for all your support. Thanks for putting up with my impatience, my ignorance of all things Mac. You have taken me from a totally ignorant to somewhat more intelligent Mac user and for this you should all be proud of yourselves.
Love, Blessings and Prayers,
Myrna aka MrsLop
Post by: DaveF on October 22, 2006, 11:36:41 AM
The AppleWorks CD I sent you can also be installed in OS X as version 6.2.9. I forgot to mention that because, at the time, you were in OS 8.
TS is a special place with special people, and I have been following this wonderful thread every day. With talent like Kris, E, Paddy and Chris now helping you, everything can't help but turn out right.
Dave
Post by: MrsLop on October 22, 2006, 01:38:01 PM
Isn't it wonderful. I'm so happy that you decided to post today. You are another saving Angel who rescued me from having no way to backup my files and a way to restore our heavily used AppleWorks program. Yes, I can use the CD that you provided me. BTW, the iomega Zip100 plus worked like a charm. I was able to backup all our documents and download the files from the disks to the OS 9.2.2 side. They opened up no problem, as did AppleWorks. Kris had already installed AppleWorks on the OS's , so I didn't need to do the install on OSX or Classic, I used the CD to install on the separate OS9 partition. I am so happy just knowing that I have the CD, it gives me so much peace of mind.
Tom hasn't gone online since I connected the B&W. Right now, he just waiting for the printer to get connected before doing anything on this system.
Love
, Blessings and Prayers,Myrna
Post by: Dreambird on October 22, 2006, 03:57:29 PM
I've been following this thread... not much to add technically but wanted to say I'm glad to see things are working out for you!
As usual I'm behind in my email... please don't take it as an insult, it's just me. If I had to make a living writing I'd be in big trouble...
I do think of you and your family often.
Post by: MrsLop on October 22, 2006, 05:52:48 PM
back to my Advenures Di,When I received the B&W, I immediately set it up and forgot to do a backup of my Outlook mail. Your email and picture is still stranded back on the good old 4400.
For the kind thoughts of my family, they just left after a nice visit. Bob moved more stuff in with my grandson, Corey. Dawn was here with Jessica. They just returned from a photo shoot. Jessica is now interested in becoming a model so they went to get the pictures developed and stopped by to see which ones I liked. They're doing a concensus to see which should be chosen for her portfolio.I have email on the B&W, so if you would email, I can learn something new like how to add to my address book. It seems a bit more complicated than my Outlook mail.
Love, Blessings and Prayers to you and Fidget,
Myrna
Post by: chriskleeman on October 23, 2006, 08:44:07 AM
Idea:
You have Zip drives for both machines up and running, I believe... for now, if you want to leave everything set up, so you don't have to keep disconnecting and re-connecting cables, the easiest thing to do is to make a copy of the file you want to print on the Zip drive on the B/W G3, and take that Zip disc out and put it in the Zip drive on your 4400, open the file on the Zip disc in Appleworks and print away!
That should work until we can figure something else out, or until the 4400 dies and is much easier than what you have to do now. And, your original data is still on the G3 B/W.
If we can't get the Farallon adapter up and running, I'll get you the Powerbase, install the necessary print drivers, etc, and make it a print server in the worst case scenario. It may be that Paddy's router will solve the problem, because once the router is in place, all the Cox internet connection will see is the router, and the hub may be able to be connected sucessfully that way... a little help from bobw on that, perhaps??? You shouldn't have a problem with the HP Printer, it will be recognized by OSX immediately... it works a little differently from Chooser, but it's actually easier to choose a printer in Panther. So, you'll at least have a back-up printer! Wow, you're getting Christmas in October!!!
We're working on it!
Best,
Chris K
Post by: MrsLop on October 23, 2006, 12:18:02 PM
The Farallon Adapter, the little one that connects directly to the electricity and not the much larger one that also connects to the electricity is actually burning up. When I tried to reconnect everything last night I burned my hand trying to pull it out of the strip. I could replace the adapter, if that is what is causing the problem; but I don't think that it is just one thing that is wrong here. Kris and I were on the phone last night discussing the procedure and order of connecting the setup.I wrote down the instructions and followed them and it still didn't work. Specifically, I have 5 lights on the modem:Test,Data,PC,Cable and Power. The Power and Cable lights come on when I plug in the Farallon, but nothing else. when I didn't have the Farallon plugged in and just the modem, all of the lights come on. when I plug in the ethernet to the B&W all the lights come on. So, without the printer in the equation, it (internet) works just fine.
It all started when my Grandson Corey, who just graduated from a Tech High School where they used Macs all the time in their labs, took a good look at the Farallon and connections for it and announced that it should work. He plugged in each to see if the juice was going through and it was. I had my children and grandchildren here so I waited until after they left to try to reconnect. I was successful in getting the OS X to bring up the printer, however, I had to disconnect from the modem in order to print. I was able to print one of Tom's documents that I had put into OSX. So, at least the old Personal LaserWriter 320 can do a print from whatever is already on the drive. The real tricky part here is having internet access to print.
Is it the settings? I don't know what settings to use. I just went with whatever Kris had already entered.
As for the zips, I have info on the 4400 which I have to copy to the external zip and then copy to the B&W. So, I have to disconnect and then reconnect everything again.
I just installed iCab, as Tom's favorites (all his artists and venues are on the hotlist) and now I need to get them from the 4400 onto a zip and put his favorites back into the hotlist on the new iCab in OSX.
So, I'm off to crawl around on the floor again. I'll check back when my mission is completed.
Love, Blessings and Prayers,
Myrna
Post by: krissel on October 23, 2006, 12:41:55 PM
After the dust settles we will give the router setup a go. It is entirely feasible that there is something wrong with the hub if it gets as hot as you said. That is not supposed to happen. A router is a lot 'smarter' than a hub as it negotiates the transmission of data that is being sent whereas a hub just allows data to flow and conflicts can arise in particular if you try to connect two computers to a modem. Having the router will allow your son to connect his PC if he wishes.
By the time this is all done you will be an expert in networking .
In the meantime you will get your gold medal for gymnastics by plugging and unplugging the cables.
Post by: Xairbusdriver on October 24, 2006, 09:41:59 AM
QUOTE
The Farallon Adapter, the little one that connects directly to the electricity and not the much larger one that also connects to the electricity is actually burning up. When I tried to reconnect everything last night I burned my hand trying to pull it out of the strip.
This is not good news! And it could actually be dangerous. I suggest unplugging that 'power brick' immediately. It could, in fact, actually ignite.Now, do you have more than one 'power brick' in use?
If you do, it is possible that you have plugged it into the wrong 'appliance' which may be asking for more power than the brick can supply. The brick is trying to provide the power but is over heating in the effort. Make sure the correct brick is connected to the correct 'appliance'.
If this is the only brick in use, it is either not the correct one or it is electrically broken or the 'appliance' is asking, incorrectly ( possibly due to a short ), for too much power.
In either case, do not continue to use the brick until the solution is found. Scorthed fingers are the least of your worries.
Post by: MrsLop on October 24, 2006, 10:51:31 AM
What I did just before coming to the TS board and viewing your post was to disconnect the Techworks TechNet ST that connected to the serial port and installed my Apple serial port cable to the Farallon, then to the Hub and the little adapter stayed nice and cool to the touch. All the lights came on on the EtherMac iPrint Adapter and the Hub but not on my Cable/Ethernet Modem. So, it looks like the culprit was the TechWorks rather than the adapter. I was able to print using my setup, but not using the Internet, only what was already on the OS 9 Drive.
I have been trying to get more information about how to print with Apple LaserWriter Personal 320 by googling this. I have found some information, but not with the same exact setup and OS.
Thanks for your concern, an electrical fire is definately not a good thing to have happen.
Blessings and Prayers,
Myrna