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Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: jjoan on January 29, 2007, 01:38:21 PM
I liked the old HomePage system for publishing pictures on a web page. Then I could have one URL address I could send someone when I wanted to share the pix. Now, with iPhoto 6, I have to publish web pages that link, and it's so complicated that I don't want to budget my time to learn it. Is there a way to set my time machine backwards and use HomePage like in the good old days?
Joan
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: swhitset on January 29, 2007, 03:39:17 PM
Use iPhoto 5 or earlier.

Steve
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: jjoan on January 29, 2007, 03:44:53 PM
How can I install an older version over my newer version?
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: swhitset on January 29, 2007, 03:53:08 PM
I have run 2 versions concurrently without problems.... The only issue will be the iPhoto libraries. You may need to start a new library for use with the older version.. it will most likely not be able to read the iPhoto 6 library.

Steve
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: jjoan on January 29, 2007, 03:59:44 PM
OK I'll try that. Do you mind me asking why you run both versions? Also, I have no idea where to find an older version of iPhoto.
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: swhitset on January 29, 2007, 04:07:06 PM
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OK I'll try that. Do you mind me asking why you run both versions? Also, I have no idea where to find an older version of iPhoto.



I don't anymore... However, I kept iPhoto 5 around for a while after updating to 6 for this very reason. I had a lot of pages already up on the "homepage.mac.com...."  Converting all those pages to iWeb was a lot of work and took some time.

Steve
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: DaveF on January 29, 2007, 04:07:08 PM
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Also, I have no idea where to find an older version of iPhoto.


Try http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/iphoto504.html
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: swhitset on January 29, 2007, 04:11:54 PM
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No.. that is an update.  You need to purchase a copy of iPhoto 5 if you don't have it.....  What were you using previously?
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: DaveF on January 29, 2007, 04:37:17 PM
swhitset,
Thanks for a timely correction to my oversight.  smile.gif
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: jjoan on January 29, 2007, 05:03:28 PM
My husband's using iPhoto 5. Can I just copy the application and put it in my application folder, or do I need to install it correctlyl, from a disk?
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: swhitset on January 29, 2007, 05:06:19 PM
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My husband's using iPhoto 5. Can I just copy the application and put it in my application folder, or do I need to install it correctlyl, from a disk?



I' not sure.... you may need to install it.... might work though.
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: Xairbusdriver on January 29, 2007, 07:07:20 PM
jjoan, exactly what part of HomePage are you not able to use? It appears to still be available at .Mac.

However, since you already have iPhoto 6, why not just use the PhotoCast option? It's specially designed for notifying friends and family about additions/changes in the pictures you'd like them to know about.

It's basically a two step process:
1. Create a new "Album" and put the pictures you want to share in it.
2. Select the new "Album" and use the "Share->Photocast" menu item.

When the transfer is complete, iPhoto will present a window giving you the URL for your images. You can then click the "Announce" button and it will open your email program with a message already in place. That message will have the URL and how to view the pictures with iPhoto 6, if they have it or how to use any RSS reader ( many browsers are now capable of that ) if they don't use OS X.

From now on, when you add/edit/delete any images to that iPhoto "Album" you're viewers will get an update by simply opening their RSS reader ( or iPhoto 6 ).
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: jcarter on January 29, 2007, 07:17:39 PM
I have many many old homepage photo and picture albums also, and when I tried to update or add to them, nothing worked.
So Ive sort of abandoned them, no thats not a good way of saying this, I still have them and all my friends and relatives still have the links.
But they will always remain the same.
Ive some nice photos which I do not want to have go poof and go away, and some pictures of the grandkids when they were much younger.
So my advice is to leave them alone, as you will ruin them if you try to update or do anything to them.

So our only way to do this is to use the new software to make new albums and sites, but link back to them.
I hope this is what you mean, as its been frustrating for me too.
I know I could access them from my husband's old Mac, but havent bothered with doing that.  As I know it would just be a pain in the neck.
I gave up and just left them the way they are.
Jane

I forgot to add, that you can go back and get those photos, copy them to your new iPhoto albums and make new sites from them using iWeb or whatever.
Ive not bothered with this either.
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: Xairbusdriver on January 29, 2007, 07:56:15 PM
June, have you looked at the Help section at .Mac? There are specific pages that discuss how to edit Homepage pages.

Secondly, one should never depend on .Mac or any other web site as the sole repository of ones info/files/images/documents/etc. If you don't have room on your own drives, either buy larger ones and/or burn to optical disk.

That's another reason I think Photocasts might be handier for these kinds of image sharing. You don't even need to have a browser open, much less visit your .Mac site. Most of you know, I'm no fan of iPhoto, at least the earlier versions, but Apple has done a great job improving this app with version 6 and Photocasting is one of the best changes, IMHO. Probably the best change is that you can now leave your images anywhere you want to, instead of being forced to put them inside an iPhoto Library.

Perhaps the changes are less of a problem for me, since I never used earlier versions? dntknw.gif
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: swhitset on January 29, 2007, 07:56:35 PM
Jane,
Your situation mimicked mine exactly.  I eventually gave in and republished the pages in iWeb.  

ABD... you are correct in the fact that Homepage is still available on .mac.... however, with the introduction of iPhoto 6, it is no longer integrated into iPhoto.  You must use iWeb.  The photocasting feature is not a good replacement for someone who has many pages already published on the Homepage feature of .Mac.  

Personally, I think that iWeb is the most disappointing thing that Apple has done in a long time.  It is a very limited 1.0 version of something that could be and may end up being something great. However, its introduction actually, took away a very handy feature that many of us that have been paying for .Mac from the beginning had come to rely on.  I expect that iLife 07 (whenever it is finally released) will provide some much needed improvement to iWeb.  However, I do not recommend further use of the Hompage feature since it is obviously being phased out.

Steve
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: Xairbusdriver on January 29, 2007, 08:41:14 PM
I totally agree with your opinion of iWeb and hope Apple is working ahrd on improvements. And You are also correct that Photocasting is not the same as creating web pages. However, it sounded like that was what jjoan was doing, so I tried it and found it very easy and intuitive.

I also thought it was also possible to upload web pages to iDisk in the 'normal' method, using iDisk vs FTP and however you create your web pages vs iWeb. I think one must still create the original 'page' via Homepage to get the initial "home page ( index.html ) file. But from then on, just using the iDisk should be sufficient. dntknw.gif I must admit I have never tried this, nor have I made much use of .Mac for anything remotely permanent. It's just plain expensive for what you get. Easier to use, perhaps. Integrated well, usually. But not really designed for permanent and frequently edited and large web sites, IMHO.
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: jjoan on January 30, 2007, 04:52:23 AM
I tried the Photocast feature, it is still clumsy. What is there in iPhoto 6 that is better than iPhoto 5? Nothing that I can see. Now I'm going to see if I can find an install of iPhoto5 around. Would that be on a Tiger install disk? Or Panther? I have those. But I don't know how to find the applications on the disks, I've only used them to install the entire system. Any more advice?
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: jcarter on January 30, 2007, 07:02:54 AM
I do have all my pictures on both my external hard drives, so Im not worried about if something goes poof with .mac.   Now I do remember there was a small article in MacWorld for a workaround for iPhoto 6, I will see if I can find it, I dog-eared the page in the magazine, now to find it.
I just have so many albums, and also many many hundreds of pictures on my several accounts at pbase.com, imageevent, clubphoto, shutterfly, photonet,,,,,on and on.  Plus several of my older web pages which need to be updated.  And my blogs, Picassa pages and more.
All pictures are saved here as well.
iPhoto seems to be a quick and easy way to access them, have slide shows for family and friends, and convienience.
There are so many ways now to store, sort, show, and deal with photos.
Actually so many options that it can get confusing sometimes.
Ive got all the URLs in one place on all our computers, so I can keep track of them.  The digital photo age sure lets us keep a lot of photos, I know I should cull lots more than I do.
So many ways to do this photo stuff!
Jane
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: Paddy on January 30, 2007, 07:52:47 AM
Joan, iPhoto 4 was the last free version of iPhoto. You will need iLife '05.

MegaMacs has it for $34.99

iLife '05

As part of our general housecleaning before moving, I'm also selling a copy on eBay right now - auction ending around 10:30 p.m. EST today if you want to go and look. (If I'd thought anyone here wanted it, I would have posted a notice before I went ahead and listed it!) Anyway - I'd be surprised if it goes much beyond $15 or so, so if you're interested at least you know you're dealing with a trustworthy seller! Auction is at $6.50 right now.
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: jjoan on January 30, 2007, 09:58:40 AM
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Joan, iPhoto 4 was the last free version of iPhoto. You will need iLife '05.

MegaMacs has it for $34.99

iLife '05

As part of our general housecleaning before moving, I'm also selling a copy on eBay right now - auction ending around 10:30 p.m. EST today if you want to go and look. (If I'd thought anyone here wanted it, I would have posted a notice before I went ahead and listed it!) Anyway - I'd be surprised if it goes much beyond $15 or so, so if you're interested at least you know you're dealing with a trustworthy seller! Auction is at $6.50 right now.

Will iPhoto 5 work with my intel mac? Would I be able to trash the newer version ('06)?
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: Xairbusdriver on January 30, 2007, 12:40:39 PM
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I tried the Photocast feature, it is still clumsy. What is there in iPhoto 6 that is better than iPhoto 5?
Well, I mentioned what I thought were the biggest improvements in my last post. Being able to use images that are already on your drives ( even external ones ) was never possible before version 6. That alone enables drastic space savings as iPhoto no longer duplicates images when you add stuff to it.

As for "clumsy" I didn't think my two step Photocast process was all that difficult. Different, perhaps, but certainly simple, IMHO. It's not the same as using a web page, but I thought you were simply trying to make your pictures available to family/friends via the internet. YMMV, I guess. dntknw.gif I just hope Apple uses some of the user-friendliness to improve iWeb ( one of the worst designs I've ever seen from Apple, IMO ).
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: Paddy on January 30, 2007, 12:44:59 PM
Hi Joan,

Just replied to your email as well - and the sad answer is no - I just tried it on my MacBook Pro, since I couldn't find an answer online. sad.gif

As I noted in the email, JAlbum is a wonderful online photo album creator that is completely FREE and has a ton of skins available. http://www.jalbum.net All you need is somewhere to put the albums; .mac, your own ISP-provided web space, free space online or you can register a domain and have your own site for as little as just over $3 a month (GoDaddy - if you get the economy plan and pay for 2 years, $3.19 a month and you get 5 GB of storage, not the measly 250MB that .mac gives you! Works for me... smile.gif ) JAlbum has its own built-in FTP and it really is easy to use. If you want to really mess around and customize, you can also edit its output with any program that enables you to edit HTML.
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: Xairbusdriver on January 30, 2007, 05:22:11 PM
While .Mac is no bargain, they now allot you 1GB. You can adjust how much is for email and the rest for 'stuff'. I can't believe they are holding on to the base much less adding any new members...I'm about ready to dump my addy, also.
Title: Web page via HomePage rather than iWeb
Post by: swhitset on January 31, 2007, 12:22:21 PM
Yeah .Mac has been at 1GB  for more than a year.   While it's true that there are many cheaper solutions, none of them are so well integrated into the mac.  This is really the reason I am so disappointed in iWeb.  I use .Mac as a quick and easy way to upload pictures directly from my iPhoto library.  Used strictly for that purpose, the old Homepage solution was much easier than iWeb.  I also use .Mac to keep my various macs in sync.  Again this can not be accomplished this easy with any other solution.

.Mac may be a little pricey, buit I still find it to be worth the money.

Steve