Post by: Gregg on March 06, 2007, 07:51:38 AM
Ever notice when you're making a post, there are two "Add Reply" buttons on the screen. (Not when starting a new thread however...)
I think we should have the folks at Hormel look into this for us.
Post by: Xairbusdriver on March 06, 2007, 08:57:15 AM
Thus, the "Reply" button on each post is for replying to that one post, so it quotes that one post for you. The 'generic' "Reply" button is for replying to the thread in general, rather than any one post, so you get a blank 'reply' window.
Finally, the "Quote" button on each post allows you to select more than one post to add into a reply.
All this just confuses me, so I just use the neat, compact "Fastreply" window where I can also easily read the post I'm probably replying to.
Smileis are still available, if you need them, but not in your way otherwise. The formatting tags are so simple, even I can remember them! 
HTH's
Post by: Gregg on March 06, 2007, 12:21:17 PM
Post by: Xairbusdriver on March 06, 2007, 02:49:00 PM
However, the only difference in the two buttons on the 'view threads' screen is the icon and the 'pop up text' while hovering the mouse over them. One means "Reply directly about this post" the other has no text pop up and means "Reply about this thread". Other than that, I'm not sure what the confusion is.
Post by: jepinto on March 06, 2007, 03:22:23 PM
It's for those of us that can't type, so wee can relook, and for some of us, to rethink whether we really really mean to say what we just said.
Post by: kimmer on March 06, 2007, 04:02:02 PM
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To clarify, they are on different screens. You click the first one in the thread to start your Reply. You click the second one, below where you compose your Reply, when you're ready to post it. It is a different color... But, perhaps should have been cast as "Post Reply" or something like that.
I'm curious which skin you are enjoying. I'm using "nait...." whatever it is
and on the thread page where I read all the posts the bottom buttons show:Fast Reply / Reply / New Topic
Here on the reply page, below the "attachment" options, the buttons show:
Add Reply / Preview Post
And all my buttons in this skin are the same color.
What each button specifically shows is a skin designers choice, whether it makes sense to you and I or not.
Post by: Gregg on March 06, 2007, 07:19:46 PM
Offhand, I don't remember the name of the skin I selected. It's probably "Classic" or some other prehistoric vintage. That would fit my profile.
This is Hormel-class confusion, not really truly confusing.
(See the recent spam thread - whatever it was called.)
The two buttons are on different screens*, they have the same name. They most certainly don't have the same function. Seriously, I think that since the function is different, the name should also be different. It's not worth changing; just an observation.
*Actually, the first one shows up on the "second" screen as well, if you use "Fast Reply" - in which case it's really the first screen. If you click the wrong button, then you get to start over on the real second screen. Is everybody confused now?
Post by: kimmer on March 06, 2007, 07:55:16 PM
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Wasn't trying to get under anyone's skin.
ROFLOL!
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Offhand, I don't remember the name of the skin I selected.
Down at the bottom of the page there's a drop down menu and the name of your skin is the one showing. That's how I know mine is "naitaken" (I just have to check it for the correct spelling). I was curious, because I was gonna switch to your skin choice to look.
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*Actually, the first one shows up on the "second" screen as well, if you use "Fast Reply" - in which case it's really the first screen. If you click the wrong button, then you get to start over on the real second screen. Is everybody confused now?
This is correct. I see the same basic set of buttons under fast reply as I do in the full reply screen. So, I'm thinking this really is the designers choice -- and I agree it's frustrating. I will look if you'll tell me what skin you are using.
Just because I'm curious.
Post by: Gregg on March 06, 2007, 08:24:25 PM
TS - of course. If krissel created it, it's good enough for me!
Yes, the buttons (above) are the same in Fast Reply - since the only thing that changes is it opens up the Fast Reply pane on that same page.
I managed to confuse the issue by first making my observation after doing a "Fast Reply" then "claifying" the issue after doing an "Add Reply" (it's not just "Reply" as in your post above)
Maybe the first "Add Reply" should have been named "Slow Reply" to contrast with "Fast Reply".
Seriously, "Full Reply" or some four letter word that means "with all the bells and whistles" would do the trick.
Post by: krissel on March 06, 2007, 09:23:07 PM
What is the problem? I don't see it.
Are you saying you are confused by the fact that there is an 'Add Reply' button below the Fast Reply window and yet you can still see the 'Add Reply' that is below the last post?
THAT is what's confusing you???
In doing the TS skin, I checked out the text on other skins including the default that comes with the software. Most use "Add Reply" for those buttons. A few only use "Reply" for the under last post section, one uses "Post Reply". Another skin uses "Multi" for the multiple quote button but most have some sort of "Quote+" text.
Not going to change it. Sorry.
Post by: kimmer on March 06, 2007, 10:20:50 PM
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Are you saying you are confused by the fact that there is an 'Add Reply' button below the Fast Reply window and yet you can still see the 'Add Reply' that is below the last post?
THAT is what's confusing you???
If I understood Gregg, he finds it odd that you click "Add Reply" at the bottom of the thread (not talking about the fast reply button), and that opens the reply window. Then when you want to post your reply you click a button that also says "add reply". If you throw in the fast reply box, then you have 3 buttons that say the same thing, but don't exactly mean the same thing.THAT is what's confusing you???
It's the norm for most skins, but that doesn't mean it isn't confusing -- or even the right way to do things.
The skin I use uses "Reply" and "Add Reply" -- which is a tad less confusing.
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In doing the TS skin, I checked out the text on other skins including the default that comes with the software. Most use "Add Reply" for those buttons.
See, it's IPB's fault. HAHAHA
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Not going to change it. Sorry.
Gregg did say ... If krissel created it, it's good enough for me!
Wonder what would happen if we had to translate all our buttons into say, Japanese?
Post by: krissel on March 07, 2007, 02:40:59 AM
It does now.
Not sure if OS 9 browsers have that function.
If not, it's time.
Post by: Gregg on March 07, 2007, 07:16:56 AM
I am not confused. Picky, but not confused!
P.S. I meant to say... Yes, kimmer, you nailed it. That's 100% on target. - What she said....
Leaving the observation deck now, to make room for someone else....
Post by: Xairbusdriver on March 07, 2007, 09:22:37 PM
Sorry, seems obvious to me. But I'm not know for logical thinking!
Post by: krissel on March 07, 2007, 10:05:17 PM
If the reference to Hormel means this thread was started as Spam, well, then I agree.
Post by: Gregg on March 08, 2007, 07:28:46 AM
krissel, sorry you misunderstood. No, you don't get the reference to Hormel. I was remembering that you participated in the thread where that was mentioned, if in fact it was not one that you started. I guess "cross-thread references" don't work so well. Please read the initial post again. I see nothing that I raised in it that says "it's confusing" "it's bad" or "it needs to be changed". I made no request of anyone to do anything about it. Does anyone here work for Hormel? I said "...ever notice?" Is there something wrong with that?
To explain:
Hormel claimed the use of the term "spam" was confusing. Obviously, it isn't. Get it now? This is the part that was in jest.
I stand firmly on my point that the buttons have different functions, even though the same "label". I am serious about that. That's a fact.
Sheesh! It was merely a factual observation. End of subject.
Where's my rock?
Post by: Xairbusdriver on March 08, 2007, 09:21:20 AM
Post by: krissel on March 10, 2007, 11:02:24 AM
Whoever created the format for these skins must have originally worked for Microsoft.
Post by: Xairbusdriver on March 10, 2007, 12:09:15 PM
It's not working in the skin I'm using right now ( naitaken ), at least since I came to TS about an hour ago. I agree about the 'conglomeration' of pieces, both html and CSS. It's probably what editing an iWeb site would be like!
Not sure MS had anything to do with it, it's probably more due to the process of building a very complicated and growing 'system' with a changing group of 'builders'. Stuff gets added in sometimes rather circuitous ways and seldom gets documented properly, at least for those users who might want to make minor changes.
Post by: kimmer on March 10, 2007, 12:24:03 PM
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And that will probably need to be done for every single skin. It's not working in the skin I'm using right now ( naitaken ), at least since I came to TS about an hour ago.
It's not working in the skin I'm using right now ( naitaken ), at least since I came to TS about an hour ago. I told myself not to come back in here ... but I'm a glutton for something or other.
Yeah, the popup doesn't work in naitaken -- BUT naitaken doesn't use "Add Reply" in 3 places to mean slightly different things. It's buttons are labeled right nicely (Reply and Add Reply) and you can tell exactly what they mean. Not that I'm saying anything in this thread.
krissel ... I feel for you. I had to tweak one of the skins I put on my board and it was royal adventure. I was finally able to track down the designer and ask them where the gem was that I needed to adjust. They told me and I laughed - cuz I'd never have looked *there*.
Post by: Gregg on March 10, 2007, 01:43:32 PM
Is there a treatment center for that?
Post by: kimmer on March 10, 2007, 02:04:42 PM
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I knew it: addicted to tweaking!
Is there a treatment center for that?
Is there a treatment center for that?
I hope not. It's too much fun.
Post by: krissel on March 10, 2007, 10:28:29 PM
There is no change that can be done to one skin and have it affect any other. The only things that carry over are the options within the IPB software. All graphics effects are done on a skin by skin basis. Hence the aggravation and time involved with any alteration.