Post by: jepinto on May 13, 2007, 08:47:46 AM
So when you come to the new board after the upgrade you will find a Tech forum and a Community forum.
The Tech forum is for seeking help or discussing matters of a technical nature such as Macs, PCs, operating systems, hardware (drives, iPods, burners, etc.), related products like cameras, printers, cell phones, etc. as well as news regarding the business and development of technology. Remember our motto: There is no such thing as a stupid question.
The Community forum is a place where the members of Techsurvivors can share their experiences and anecdotes, photos, etc. and discuss any and all non technical subjects in a more relaxed environment. Sports, holidays, trips, birthdays, and even a little silliness is acceptable.
Please note that we may move any thread to the 'Community' forum if we deem it appropriate to do so.
Please remember that our Guidelines regarding the tenor and content of posts will remain in effect.
We hope you like the new features and as always, we extend our appreciation to the greatest group of online denizens, the members of Techsurvivors!
Your Admins
Post by: Epaminondas on May 13, 2007, 09:57:23 AM
The magic of Techsurvivors is that everything is on one forum. Technical conversation drifts into social conversation and drifts back into technical conversation - like in real life.
And we all get to know one another while helping each other at the same time.
Putting the social and technical forums separately will destroy the magic that is Techsurvivors.
It will make Techsurvivors just like every other forum on the Internet.
A poor decision.
Can this decision be revisited - perhaps in a democratic fashion rather than as a fait accompli?
Thank you,
Epaminondas
Post by: george on May 13, 2007, 09:57:47 AM
Post by: RobW on May 13, 2007, 11:09:49 AM
) discussing this. (I'm not even sure if the word "discussing" does the process justice.) It was not a decision that was made easily, but in the end, it was generally felt that for many reasons, it was best to give this a try. Certainly, technical threads will often have a tone to it that is part social conversation--that's partly due to the folks here who make up TS. However, we'd like to try to have a forum where people (current members and potentially new members) can easily find the tech information that they're looking for without having to wade through such a high number of "OT" threads.
Post by: gunug on May 13, 2007, 11:09:58 AM
Post by: kimmer on May 13, 2007, 11:38:18 AM
I'll be here even if I decide I'm not nuts about it once it happens.
Thanks for all the hard work!
Post by: chriskleeman on May 13, 2007, 02:35:03 PM
I have had some personal communication with some of the Admins which have left me with the distinct feeling that they work pretty hard at keeping our little community up and running. So let's all try to go with the flow here and give their efforts a chance to work and get the glitches out (should there be any of course...
) and see what happens!Just one man's opinion.
Chris K
Post by: Epaminondas on May 13, 2007, 10:41:05 PM
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It became necessary to destroy the village in order to save it.
- unnamed US major speaking after the destruction of the Vietnamese Village Ben Tre, as quoted by Peter Arnett, Feb 7, 1968
- unnamed US major speaking after the destruction of the Vietnamese Village Ben Tre, as quoted by Peter Arnett, Feb 7, 1968
Sometimes solutions by well-meaning people are not the solutions that they appear to be.
Sometimes solutions cause more harm than the problem that they were intended to solve.
Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease.
If there are problems with Techsurvivors, there are better solutions than destroying the structure of the underlying character of Techsurvivors.
Separating Techsurvivors into different fora will fundamentally change its character - character built upon the happy accidents of Techsurvivor's formation.
It is like tearing down an old mom-and-pop Florida motel - where you get to know the owner-proprietors during your stay - and replacing it with a brand-spanking-new soulless condominium. One structured just like every other identical soulless condominium on the beach.
Or like replacing the musty old hardware store with a wonderful new Walmart.
Sure - it sounds great on paper.
Focus groups agree.
The town council has debated the matter extensively and has all voted for it.
But so much is lost.
I urge that the matter be reconsidered.
Perhaps discussion by the general membership - even a vote - might be in order.
Perhaps other solutions might be considered.
If it is a matter of new blood - there may be better ways to get in new blood.
If it is a matter of individual or of group dynamics - there may be a better way to address the issues.
But destroying the underlying character of Techsurvivors is no solution.
This is not a minor housekeeping improvement.
It is a ripping apart of the core of what makes Techsurvivors Techsurvivors.
What will be lost is much more than what will be gained.
Respectfully,
Epaminondas
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They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
With a pink hotel, a boutique
And a swinging hot spot
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
They took all the trees
Put 'em in a tree museum
And they charged the people
A dollar and a half just to see 'em
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
Hey farmer farmer
Put away that DDT now
Give me spots on my apples
But leave me the birds and the bees
Please!
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
Late last night
I heard the screen door slam
And a big yellow taxi
Took away my old man
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot
Joni Mitchell
Big Yellow Taxi
1970
Post by: sandbox on May 14, 2007, 01:27:28 AM
Take a close look at the Mac forum, what you may notice is that it's hardly a Mac Forum, but a forum slowly but surely being transformed into an OT: forum. That wasn't our intention, that is just the fact. We are responding to the facts, Joni Michelle aside.
Metaphorically speaking, if you like Joni’s parking lots you’ll luv John Kays!
QUOTE
THE OSTRICH
From the 1968 release "Steppenwolf"
Steppenwolf Cover
Words and music by John Kay
We'll call you when you're six years old
And drag you to the factory
To train your brain for eighteen years
With promise of security
But then you're free
And forty years you waste to chase the dollar sign
So you may die in Florida
At the pleasant age of sixty nine
The water's getting hard to drink
We've mangled up the country side
The air will choke you when you breathe
We're all committing suicide
But it's alright
It's progress folks keep pushin' till your body rots
Will strip the earth of all it's green
And then divide her into parking lots
But there's nothing you and I can do
You and I are only two
What's right and wrong is hard to say
Forget about it for today
We'll stick our heads into the sand
Just pretend that all is grand
Then hope that everything turns out ok
You're free to speak your mind my friend
As long as you agree with me
Don't criticize the father land
Or those who shape your destiny
'Cause if you do
You'll lose your job your mind and all the friends you knew
We'll send out all our boys in blue
They'll find a way to silence you
But there's nothing you and I can do
You and I are only two
What's right and wrong is hard to say
Forget about it for today
We'll stick our heads into the sand
Just pretend that all is grand
Then hope that everything turns out ok
From the 1968 release "Steppenwolf"
Steppenwolf Cover
Words and music by John Kay
We'll call you when you're six years old
And drag you to the factory
To train your brain for eighteen years
With promise of security
But then you're free
And forty years you waste to chase the dollar sign
So you may die in Florida
At the pleasant age of sixty nine
The water's getting hard to drink
We've mangled up the country side
The air will choke you when you breathe
We're all committing suicide
But it's alright
It's progress folks keep pushin' till your body rots
Will strip the earth of all it's green
And then divide her into parking lots
But there's nothing you and I can do
You and I are only two
What's right and wrong is hard to say
Forget about it for today
We'll stick our heads into the sand
Just pretend that all is grand
Then hope that everything turns out ok
You're free to speak your mind my friend
As long as you agree with me
Don't criticize the father land
Or those who shape your destiny
'Cause if you do
You'll lose your job your mind and all the friends you knew
We'll send out all our boys in blue
They'll find a way to silence you
But there's nothing you and I can do
You and I are only two
What's right and wrong is hard to say
Forget about it for today
We'll stick our heads into the sand
Just pretend that all is grand
Then hope that everything turns out ok
Post by: jepinto on May 14, 2007, 11:19:58 AM
the thread was closed by mistake, I do believe. (One of the many Admin options is the ability to close a thread from the index page, by clicking and holding a second too long.)So, while all may not agree with the split forum decision, we can continue to discuss it.
Post by: Gregg on May 14, 2007, 12:06:42 PM
Post by: Epaminondas on May 14, 2007, 03:28:59 PM
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So, while all may not agree with the split forum decision, we can continue to discuss it.
Closing the matter to discussion was pretty childish.
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Take a close look at the Mac forum, what you may notice is that it's hardly a Mac Forum, but a forum slowly but surely being transformed into an OT: forum. That wasn't our intention, that is just the fact.
Yes, of course. Everyone can see that.
You have no special powers of observation.
But the way to deal with a troublesome baby is not to shoot the baby.
No.
First you figure out (1) why it happened .
Then you figure out (2) what to do about it.
(1) Why:
I submit that the forum has a dearth of technical posts because - Apple has gotten its act together very, very well.
The Macintosh is now a mature platform.
It has become a telephone - you don't have to think, you just use it.
There just aren't that many things that go wrong with Apple Macintosh machines anymore.
So there is a dearth of technical questions.
Simple as that.
Now, was that hard?
MUGs (Macintosh User Groups) have gone through this same process.
There was a time when there were Apple MUGs in every city. I used to attend mine regularly each month.
But I believe that most MUGs have long since disbanded.
Why?
Because Apple Macintoshs became much easier to use.
You did not need the MUGs anymore.
They became largely irrelevant.
Local MUGs certainly did not deal with the issue of irrelevancy by breaking off into a technical branch and a social branch.
That would have been silly.
That would have just accelerated their demise.
(2) What to do:
Those MUGs that remain active - as I understand it - do so because of active leadership and interesting presentations of value to their membership.
I.e. - they do not see themselves as "trouble-shooting" groups. Because Macs have fewer and fewer troubles to shoot these days.
Troubleshooting groups - to stay alive and prosper - need to reinvent themselves as something else.
Something MORE.
As I understand it the MUGs that have survived see themselves not as trouble-shooting groups but as value-added groups. Providing education and presentations:
"Doing such-and-such in Photoshop."
"Tutorial on the parts of Microsoft Office that you never use."
Whatever . . .
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If you don't like the direction that Techsurvivors is going in, then do something about it. Just don't do the wrong thing.
Splitting Techsurvivors up into separate fora is the wrong thing.
The particular chemistry that is Techsurvivors came about entirely by accident. It was not planned.
YOU will plan it right out of existence.
Techsurvivors is a much more pleasant forum that most fora on the Internet.
It is not just the people. There are plenty of good people on the Internet.
It is because of Techsurvivors' unique structure.
Change the structure to what everyone else has on the Internet - and you change what is unique about Techsurvivors into being the same as what everyone else has on the Internet.
Just another web site.
The structure of Techsurvivors is like a business golf outing. Sure you get some work done - but you also get some air, some light, tell some jokes, how are the kids, and you talk about some other things, as well.
Splitting Techsurvivors over into two fora from one forum is like changing the atmosphere of a business meeting from a golfing outing to that of a formal business meeting with a formal agenda and secretary taking notes. It will mean that there will have to be some petty dictator running around policing the fora with a heavier hand than is currently necessary - the typical "you can't post this in this forum, it goes in the other forum" garbage. Locking threads inappropriately - typical of novice moderators. All sorts of silliness that never needed to happen in the first place.
The more rules and divisions and sections that you have, the more policing that you have to do. The more policing that you have to do, the more bad feelings are generated.
And the more you burn out your policemen.
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If Techsurvivors is going more Off Topic, have you considered that it may be because its members like it that way?
If you don't like it - why don't you volunteer to lead some sort of technical teaching project?
"OSX - the command line."
"OSX - Internet Radio Explorations - What's Available"
"OSX / Vista - Dual Booting"
And if people respond to your post - great!
If they ignore your posts - then they are not interested.
And if they just keep going Off Topic - maybe they would just prefer each others' jokes and comparing what books they read most recently . . .
Maybe the Mac has become a telephone.
Maybe they just want to talk?
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If you don't like the off-topic threads - stop reading them!
No one is forcing you to read them!
I don't read half of them, myself.
Do you read the newspaper from cover to cover?
I don't. The advice to teenagers column would boor me to tears - while bringing back too many hard memories.
But I do not protest the existence of such columns in the newspaper.
To each his own.
If being a moderator forces you to read everything that is on Techsurvivors and you find that too painful - then consider another gig.
But don't change the dynamic of a uniquely successful Internet forum to make it read to your liking.
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Stop trying to be a Kindergarten teacher and forcing people to do what you want them to do.
These are mature adults you are dealing with.
Treat them as such.
Best regards,
Epaminondas
Post by: Gregg on May 14, 2007, 03:50:21 PM
QUOTE(Epaminondas @ May 14 2007, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Closing the matter to discussion was pretty childish.
C'mon! Ya gotta read the whole sentence. It was closed by mistake. I find your tone offensive. Present your opinions, but lighten up a little.
Post by: Xairbusdriver on May 14, 2007, 04:23:17 PM
I'm sorry you think the sky is falling, at least on TS, but I doubt you know the amount of discussion and 'back-and-forth' that went on by the admins. Nor are you aware of the complaints by those members who find the amount of "OT" threads disruptive and space wasting.
I think you also simply do not understand that there is no attempt to block/delete/dissuade personal, friendly, even 'off-topic' posts in a "Technical" topic. I'm a little baffled how you came to the extreme conclusions you seem to have drawn. I can only suggest that you see how things go for a few weeks. It is certainly nothing written in stone, remember, all this stuff is simply a bunch of uniquely ordered electrons or magnetic bits on a disk. I've yet to see anything here that has had any significant effect on global warming, tsunami warnings or even my paycheck!
But thanks for your comments, we always want to kow how you 'guys' feel about TS!
Post by: bellbram on May 14, 2007, 04:49:21 PM
Post by: RobW on May 14, 2007, 05:24:11 PM
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...The particular chemistry that is Techsurvivors came about entirely by accident. It was not planned. ...
Having read all of the many words that you've written in this thread, I'll tell you this: As one who has known most of the TS founders since the days of NoWonder, then as a member of TS since very close to the day that it went "live" in 2000, and more recently as a member of the EC who has a chance to see up close and personal how things get done and how the personality of this place remains the way it is, I have to tell you, I could not disagree more with that comment. Yes, it was planned, and sure as heck, it's been nurtured and worked at--both by the admins and many of the members, and that's why it is what it is.
Post by: sandbox on May 14, 2007, 11:09:03 PM
QUOTE
Closing the matter to discussion was pretty childish.
Was it?
QUOTE
First you figure out (1) why it happened .
Then you figure out (2) what to do about it.
Then you figure out (2) what to do about it.
We did, thanks for noticing.
QUOTE
If you don't like the direction that Techsurvivors is going in, then do something about it. Just don't do the wrong thing.
Thanks, I’ll try not too.
QUOTE
Techsurvivors is a much more pleasant forum that most fora on the Internet.
It was.
QUOTE
It is because of Techsurvivors' unique structure.
Really?
QUOTE
The structure of Techsurvivors is like a business golf outing.
Four
QUOTE
The more rules and divisions and sections that you have, the more policing that you have to do. The more policing that you have to do, the more bad feelings are generated.
Are there other ways bad feelings can be generated?
QUOTE
If Techsurvivors is going more Off Topic, have you considered that it may be because its members like it that way?
More accurately: If Techsurvivors is going more Off Topic, have you considered that it may be because SOME OF its members like it that way?
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If you don't like it - why don't you volunteer to lead some sort of technical teaching project?
Would it help my resumé?
QUOTE
Stop trying to be a Kindergarten teacher and forcing people to do what you want them to do.
These are mature adults you are dealing with.
Treat them as such.
Best regards,
Epaminondas
These are mature adults you are dealing with.
Treat them as such.
Best regards,
Epaminondas
An old man sleeps with his conscience at night
Young kids sleep with their dreams
While the mentally ill sit perfectly still
And live through life's in-betweens.
John Prine
Post by: chriskleeman on May 15, 2007, 01:44:31 AM
E, I value your opinions, I have learned mightily from many of your posts, but this time, please give it a rest. You have obviously put a lot of thought and time into how you are articulating your opinions, and I respect that. But I would also ask you to respect the Administrators of this Forum as well. This has been a place of great information sharing and growth for many of us who have found TS to be the absolute best Mac forum on the web. I don't even bother going elsewhere most of the time.
I have been thinking about the coming changes, and I'm beginning to really like the idea of not having to sift through all the OT posts to find particular information on a thread or subject I'm trying to find. And that might just be the tip of the iceberg, so to speak.
A lot of hard work and thought has gone into whatever changes lie ahead. We owe it to the TS Founders and the Admins who have been involved so long in it's evolution to let them do what they have been doing best. And that is simply, to let them try these new whatever-they-are-going-to-be changes have a chance to work and evolve themselves.
From what I've seen here since I've been around (almost 5 years) this forum has continued to evolve in many ways.
All I'm saying is that we as members need to give it a chance, even though on the face of it, it may not immediately look like what you want. I don't know, but whatever is in store, I'm more than game to give it a go and help in any way I can to make it all work.
With all due respect,
Chris K
EDIT:
It is also a tribute to TS that a change in the works like this would inspire our members like Epaminodas to such well-thought out and passionate discourse.
Post by: krissel on May 15, 2007, 02:19:48 AM
Yes, as mentioned earlier, we have given this a LOT of thought and consideration (yes, there is a difference
)And the decision didn't come easy but we decided that TS was not going in the direction we wanted. We felt we might end up with just a chat board and lose serious technical questions from those who needed help. I wondered myself if I were looking for assistance and came to TS for the first time, would I bother to post seeing all the OTs and banter? Probably not.
It came down to making an attempt to retain the technical help aspect of the board or giving up and become the local grapevine. Instead we figured we would try to split the discussion into two areas that will not restrict our members ability to post but rather to allow an even freer atmosphere where one doesn't have to hold back if they have some pictures of the family dog they'd like to post but don't want to clutter the board with another OT. Many of the threads that have been started on odd subjects have been very interesting and lead to knowledge one wouldn't expect to normally find, so we don't want to stifle that aspect. Rather we want to encourage it but let it develop within its own environment.
And those who really have a problem will be able to get more immediate help since there won't be so many off topic threads to wade through to find them. In addition, you will notice new links to pages with special FAQs, tips from TS's guru, tacit, as well as kelly's links and most posted Apple Docs. Not all of these pages are ready to go but most will be shortly.
So please give this change a chance. If things don't improve and we find it was better the old way, we can always revert. But nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Think different.
Post by: Highmac on May 15, 2007, 03:41:49 AM
QUOTE(krissel @ May 15 2007, 08:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If things don't improve and we find it was better the old way, we can always revert.
Think different.
Think different.
Which answers my main question. I didn't know how easy it would be, technically, to revert. And while I do have reservations about the move to split the board, I'll back the EC in their decision. I have no doubt you had many more things to take into account than we members are privy to.
As someone "guilty" of possibly more than my fair share of OT posts, I can see both points of view. Personally, I've felt that the self-regulation of the OT prefix worked well, and don't recall seeing any complaints on the forum itself. And the Search facility works well here.
Whatever, I wish the people involved the best of luck and look forward to logging in again. Guess it will be well into Wednesday for us in Europe.
Thanks also to all of you for your continuing work to keep TeeEss the best Mac forum on the planet. Whatever our views, I'm sure a little effort on the part of all of us can keep it that way.
Edit to add: Would it be possible after, say, three months, to have a poll to get views on how it's going. (Or any other period that folk feel has given the new system a reasonable chance).
Post by: Epaminondas on May 15, 2007, 09:05:57 AM
Complainers can be encouraged by the moderators to change the ratio of OT to technical posts by making more technical posts, themselves.
Of course - that takes more time and effort than just complaining.
Question:
What per cent of the total membership has been complaining?
What per cent of the total membership has not been complaining?
You could take that as a vote for change vs. status quo.
I.e. - if 5% of the total membership has been complaining, it might be considered a 5% mandate for change - and a 95% mandate for the status quo.
You don't really have the full picture unless you poll the full membership.
And you have been careful not to poll the membership.
You have the ability to discuss the matter with the full membership of Techsurvivors and you can easily conduct an online poll of the membership for change vs. status quo.
Why don't you run a simple poll along the following two possibilities (please phrase the alternatives as neutrally as possible - i.e., avoid such words as "new" "improved" or "streamline" or "fix," etc.):
(1) I would like to see Techsurvivors divided into two parts - one technical and one non-technical.
(2) I would like Techsurvivors to remain a single bulletin board for both technical and non-technical posts.
(or however you prefer to neutrally phrase the issue)
See how the membership actually feels before making such a drastic change in the structure of Techsurvivors - which will change the character of Techsurvivors.
After all - that's what this is designed to do.
Change the character of Techsurvivors.
Best regards,
Epaminondas
Post by: dboh on May 15, 2007, 09:14:54 AM
After logging back in and clicking "View New Posts" since my last visit, I noticed that both tech and non-tech threads were listed. If this is how it will remain, maybe that's a workaround for those not happy with the changes.
I've been to more than a few forums on the Internet, and I have to say that the administrators here are among the most helpful I've come across. Discussions of imminent changes are one thing, but critical remarks seem to be counterproductive.
Post by: Gregg on May 15, 2007, 10:56:01 AM
Post by: chriskleeman on May 15, 2007, 11:03:01 AM
QUOTE(Gregg @ May 15 2007, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
E, not that it matters now, but you left out the third option. I suspect the plurality of votes would go to "Either way is fine with me". That's just a gut feeling, of course.
Gregg, how's it working for you in OS 9 so far? What browser(s) are you using?
Good to see your posts!
Chris K
Post by: Gregg on May 15, 2007, 11:28:58 AM
QUOTE(chriskleeman @ May 15 2007, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Gregg, how's it working for you in OS 9 so far? What browser(s) are you using?
Good to see your posts!
Chris K
Good to see your posts!
Chris K
Don't get excited. As stated in my first "Community Forum" (CF?) post, I'm at work. Not busy today. If I get busted, they'll get an earful.
So, anyway, I'm using Exploder right now. I'll check it out at home, but no guarantee on how soon that will be. My guess is Friday after dinner.
Post by: RHPConsult on May 15, 2007, 02:10:11 PM
You might find it of interest to learn that your essential points were key elements of the Founders' discussions – in the summer of 2000 – (before we even knew we were Founders) when 17 volunteers began (precisely 7 years ago today!) a series of e-mail discussions on what an ideal replacement of the "deceased" Mac "community" which we all had enjoyed on the unreconstructed NoWonder site, might be like, were we to reinvent it.
3000+ e-mails later, on mid-September afternoon, we launched ourselves. Launched ourselves in the format of which you obviously approve.
Those issues were all revisited over the past 3-4 months as the favorable prospect of new software began to incorporate discussions of a change in style/format/impacrt if you will. Unanimity was not achieved in any of those discussions, except for the decision to try it out. Given that we are blessed by having a virtually nonexistent bureaucracy hereabouts, we will do our best to adapt flexibly, as circumstances might warrant.
Your support is enthusiastically solicited to see if the new venture does, in fact, encourage a larger segment of the lurkers we know are out there, to affiliate more formally with the 2500+ members whose good will and interest (the only "dues/fees/tribute" we've ever enjoyed) so to keep TeeEss strong and resilient.
Respectfully,
RHP
Post by: dolphin on May 15, 2007, 02:34:45 PM
Many thanks to our EC/admins for many many years, months, days, hours of service to our community.
Post by: Highmac on May 15, 2007, 03:08:05 PM
I'm pleasantly surprised by 1) how quickly the forum returned today, and 2) how relatively troublefree it's been - at least on this side of the counter
Thanks folks
Post by: Epaminondas on May 15, 2007, 03:52:14 PM
You got it exactly right the first time.
For all the reasons discussed the first time.
Creating just the right chemistry.
Why destroy that success?
<< Those issues were all revisited over the past 3-4 months as the favorable prospect of new software began to incorporate discussions of a change in style/format/impacrt if you will. >>
If you were able to take 3-4 months to discuss pros and cons - what is the great big honking hurry in implementing this immediately without first discussing the pros and cons for a few months with the general membership?
Why the rush?
< E, not that it matters now, but you left out the third option. I suspect the plurality of votes would go to "Either way is fine with me". That's just a gut feeling, of course. >>
'Cause I didn't think of that.
Sounds good to me.
Best regards,
Epaminondas
Post by: RHPConsult on May 15, 2007, 04:58:29 PM
"Rush" is not an adjective I would apply.
Post by: Xairbusdriver on May 15, 2007, 06:03:01 PM
Wouldn't it be great if we/I could please every one? Don't see that happening anytime soon, either.
Well, gotta go, it's our MUG meeting night, we have the Apple Software Engineer speaking to us tonight, usually get him twice a year. Always a very interesting meeting!
Post by: Jack W on May 15, 2007, 08:09:15 PM
This is in line with my post a couple of month's ago. I felt that the technical discussions were being diluted with the other.
I love TeeEss. It is great site and will continue to be.
And I most certainly appreciate all that the Admins do to keep this a great site!
Thank you one and all! You always are fair. And that is important!
Thanks for a great job!
- Jack
Post by: chriskleeman on May 15, 2007, 09:34:27 PM
QUOTE(Gregg @ May 15 2007, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(chriskleeman @ May 15 2007, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Gregg, how's it working for you in OS 9 so far? What browser(s) are you using?
Good to see your posts!
Chris K
Good to see your posts!
Chris K
Don't get excited. As stated in my first "Community Forum" (CF?) post, I'm at work. Not busy today. If I get busted, they'll get an earful.
So, anyway, I'm using Exploder right now. I'll check it out at home, but no guarantee on how soon that will be. My guess is Friday after dinner.
Gregg,
Excited??? Moi??? No, I am seriously concerned about how you are going to be able to interface this forum in OS 9.
Your continuing adventures in OS 9 are inspiring and informational. That's it, pure and simple, and I'm hopeful this will all work for you ok.
Chris K
Post by: Gregg on May 16, 2007, 07:33:20 AM
QUOTE(chriskleeman @ May 15 2007, 09:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Excited??? Moi??? No, I am seriously concerned about how you are going to be able to interface this forum in OS 9.
Your continuing adventures in OS 9 are inspiring and informational. That's it, pure and simple, and I'm hopeful this will all work for you ok.
Your continuing adventures in OS 9 are inspiring and informational. That's it, pure and simple, and I'm hopeful this will all work for you ok.
And I thought it was just annoying!