Post by: dolphin on June 09, 2007, 06:54:23 AM
London, UK $5.96
Rome , Italy $5.80
Brussels, Belgium $6.16
Hong Kong $6.25
Tokyo, Japan $5.25
Sao Paulo , Brazil $4.42
Buenos Aires , Argentina $2.09
Mexico City $2.22
Sidney , Australia $3.42
Johannesburg , South Africa $3.39
New Delhi , India $3.71
Here's the kicker!
Caracas $0.12!!!
Kuwait $0.78!!
Riyadh , Saudi Arabia $0.91!!
Post by: jepinto on June 09, 2007, 09:15:17 AM
Post by: Highmac on June 09, 2007, 12:07:00 PM
QUOTE(dolphin @ Jun 9 2007, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
London, UK $5.96
If only.... if only it was that cheap! We pay at least 95 pence per litre - that's about 3.60GBP per US gallon; at present rates that's over 7$ per US gallon.
From a Government website
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The results of the 2006 ASHE show that median weekly pay for full-time employees in the UK grew by 3.7 per cent in April 2006 to reach £447. Median earnings of full-time male employees was £487 per week in April 2006; for women the median was £387.
The top 10 per cent of the earnings distribution earned more than £886 per week, while the bottom 10 per cent earned less than £244. Between April 2005 and 2006 the distribution of gross weekly pay widened, with a 3.7 per cent increase at the bottom decile, and a 4.2 per cent increase at the top decile.
The top 10 per cent of the earnings distribution earned more than £886 per week, while the bottom 10 per cent earned less than £244. Between April 2005 and 2006 the distribution of gross weekly pay widened, with a 3.7 per cent increase at the bottom decile, and a 4.2 per cent increase at the top decile.
Those seem to be the latest figures available. As you can see from the petrol price, the GBP is not far off double the US$
Post by: kimmer on June 09, 2007, 12:47:29 PM
This page shows April/May 06 prices.
From this page at CNN Money (March 05) [bolded emphasis mine]:
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NEW YORK (CNN/Money) – Gasoline prices in the United States, which have recently hit record highs, are actually much lower than in many countries. Drivers in some European cities, like Amsterdam and Oslo, are paying nearly 3 times more than those in the U.S.
The main factor in price disparities between countries is government policy, according to AirInc, a company that tracks the cost of living in various places around the world. Many European nations tax gasoline heavily, with taxes making up as much as 75 percent of the cost of a gallon of gasoline, said a spokesperson for AirInc.
In a few Latin America and Middle-East nations, such as Venezuela and Saudi Arabia, oil is produced by a government-owned company and local gasoline prices are kept low as a benefit to the nation's citizens, he said. All prices updated March, 2005.
The main factor in price disparities between countries is government policy, according to AirInc, a company that tracks the cost of living in various places around the world. Many European nations tax gasoline heavily, with taxes making up as much as 75 percent of the cost of a gallon of gasoline, said a spokesperson for AirInc.
In a few Latin America and Middle-East nations, such as Venezuela and Saudi Arabia, oil is produced by a government-owned company and local gasoline prices are kept low as a benefit to the nation's citizens, he said. All prices updated March, 2005.
So we have to factor in all these things: taxes, shipping costs, and who owns the oil, as well as cost of living and other things.
Post by: Paddy on June 09, 2007, 01:20:29 PM
We're taking the train everywhere else (Switzerland and France) but time and other factors made a car a sensible choice for small-town southern Germany.In Toronto right now the gas price is $1.014/litre, or $3.85 CDN per US gallon, which works out to about $3.58 USD. About 50¢ more per gallon than folks are paying back in North Andover, MA according to my gas widget (which doesn't do Toronto/Canadian gas prices!). I believe our taxes are the difference. There is currently a 31.1¢ levy on every litre of gas sold in Ontario, or the equivalent of $1.09 USD per US gallon. Compare that to the US, where the average total levy is 62¢ per US gallon.
Post by: Gregg on June 09, 2007, 02:12:10 PM
Post by: dolphin on June 09, 2007, 03:12:23 PM
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Not sure what year Dolphin's figures are from. A google showed me this at CNN Money:
This page shows April/May 06 prices.
From this page at CNN Money (March 05) [bolded emphasis mine]:
So we have to factor in all these things: taxes, shipping costs, and who owns the oil, as well as cost of living and other things.
This page shows April/May 06 prices.
From this page at CNN Money (March 05) [bolded emphasis mine]:
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NEW YORK (CNN/Money) – Gasoline prices in the United States, which have recently hit record highs, are actually much lower than in many countries. Drivers in some European cities, like Amsterdam and Oslo, are paying nearly 3 times more than those in the U.S.
The main factor in price disparities between countries is government policy, according to AirInc, a company that tracks the cost of living in various places around the world. Many European nations tax gasoline heavily, with taxes making up as much as 75 percent of the cost of a gallon of gasoline, said a spokesperson for AirInc.
In a few Latin America and Middle-East nations, such as Venezuela and Saudi Arabia, oil is produced by a government-owned company and local gasoline prices are kept low as a benefit to the nation's citizens, he said. All prices updated March, 2005.
The main factor in price disparities between countries is government policy, according to AirInc, a company that tracks the cost of living in various places around the world. Many European nations tax gasoline heavily, with taxes making up as much as 75 percent of the cost of a gallon of gasoline, said a spokesperson for AirInc.
In a few Latin America and Middle-East nations, such as Venezuela and Saudi Arabia, oil is produced by a government-owned company and local gasoline prices are kept low as a benefit to the nation's citizens, he said. All prices updated March, 2005.
So we have to factor in all these things: taxes, shipping costs, and who owns the oil, as well as cost of living and other things.
It appears that my figures are closer to the 2005 figures. However; it's interesting that Caracas, Riyadh, and Kuwait City prices have remained the same the last two years. Just goes to show that where the oil comes from is the cheapest. I don't think that the Alaskan oil fields could supply the entire US for long. However; I thought I read somewhere that an awful lot of that oil is sold to China and Japan!
Post by: Dreambird on June 09, 2007, 05:02:45 PM
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Just goes to show that where the oil comes from is the cheapest.
Gosh that would be nice! Saw a documentary on TV regarding Alberta's Oil Sands... they claim we have reserves second in size only to Saudi Arabia. Of course the cost of production is higher... but no prices breaks here.
Also saw a episode of either The Passionate Eye or Frontline (bad memory, sorry) dedicated to Venezuela and the many issues the people there suffer due to unethical practices in the oil industry... it would make for a very interesting discussion... but I fear not here.
Post by: jepinto on June 09, 2007, 05:25:16 PM
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and it's mpg rating is about half the similar mid-sized gasoline-powered car we were considering.<snip >
I hate to be the "math police" but.... maybe you meant to say twice the mpg?
Post by: bil207 on June 09, 2007, 06:27:41 PM
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Just goes to show that where the oil comes from is the cheapest.
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Gosh that would be nice! Saw a documentary on TV regarding Alberta's Oil Sands... they claim we have reserves second in size only to Saudi Arabia. Of course the cost of production is higher... but no prices breaks here.
Most don't realize that the # 1 supplier of 'foreign" to to the U.S. is Canada
and not some middle eastern country.
Post by: Gregg on June 10, 2007, 02:39:41 PM
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QUOTE(Paddy @ Jun 9 2007, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
and it's mpg rating is about half the similar mid-sized gasoline-powered car we were considering.<snip >
I hate to be the "math police" but.... maybe you meant to say twice the mpg?Well if you hadn't commented on it.....
Rob would have!
Post by: Paddy on June 11, 2007, 12:04:57 AM
Post by: krissel on June 11, 2007, 02:28:32 AM
And what some don't consider is the great distances one drives to get from place to place in the US (and Canada). We aren't small countries like in Europe which can be traversed in a day or so. Our products are more often than not trucked across 3,000 miles. Our rail system is woefully inadequate.
DB, I'm going to remain reserved with my comments re Venezuela. Suffice it to say, I refuse to buy Citgo gas. I'll walk first.
Post by: Gregg on June 11, 2007, 07:25:41 AM
Post by: danf63 on June 13, 2007, 07:15:27 AM
My wife's from Venezuela.Also, Venezuela is planning to raise the price of gas for everyone except buses and taxis. Once before they raised the price (I think in the 1980s). The bus and taxi fares went up and it caused a revolution.
Dan
Post by: Gregg on June 13, 2007, 07:40:25 AM
Post by: Frances144 on June 13, 2007, 08:09:40 AM
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QUOTE(dolphin @ Jun 9 2007, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
London, UK $5.96
If only.... if only it was that cheap! We pay at least 95 pence per litre - that's about 3.60GBP per US gallon; at present rates that's over 7$ per US gallon.
From a Government website
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The results of the 2006 ASHE show that median weekly pay for full-time employees in the UK grew by 3.7 per cent in April 2006 to reach £447. Median earnings of full-time male employees was £487 per week in April 2006; for women the median was £387.
The top 10 per cent of the earnings distribution earned more than £886 per week, while the bottom 10 per cent earned less than £244. Between April 2005 and 2006 the distribution of gross weekly pay widened, with a 3.7 per cent increase at the bottom decile, and a 4.2 per cent increase at the top decile.
The top 10 per cent of the earnings distribution earned more than £886 per week, while the bottom 10 per cent earned less than £244. Between April 2005 and 2006 the distribution of gross weekly pay widened, with a 3.7 per cent increase at the bottom decile, and a 4.2 per cent increase at the top decile.
Those seem to be the latest figures available. As you can see from the petrol price, the GBP is not far off double the US$
I bloody well wish!
We pay in the region of £1.07 for a litre.
Post by: danf63 on June 13, 2007, 09:08:05 AM
Dan
Post by: Highmac on June 13, 2007, 11:34:40 AM
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For all you guys in England, if 75% of it is tax, do you at least feel you're getting something in return for the price?
Dan
Dan
To repeat Frances' answer to another point: I bloody well wish! The Government has this theory that if they make fuel expensive enough, people will switch to buses and trains, a theory that might be great in cities like London and Birmingham, but public transport in rural areas is patchy to say the least. I lived in one Oxfordshire village where anyone asking when the next bus came through got the reply "Tuesday". And I'm not joking!! Heaven alone knows what it must be like in the Shetlands...
On the other hand, the Orkneys (between the Shetlands and mainland) boast the world's shortest scheduled flight lasting about two minutes. I heard somewhere that the record was something like 91 seconds. Bet there's not many routes where you can knock nearly 25 per cent off the journey time. Apparently it is subsidised by the Government as a vital lifeline to the remote islands, so maybe SOME of our taxes go somewhere useful. You can "take the flight" here
Frances: When I took a solo tour of the north of Scotland way back in 1996 (long story I won't go into), fuel was a good bit dearer then too. Also, outside any but the largest towns and cities, the only brand you could buy was BP. While wandering the Highlands I quickly learned that when you did see a filling station - you filled up!
Post by: Frances144 on June 13, 2007, 01:19:41 PM
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Frances: When I took a solo tour of the north of Scotland way back in 1996 (long story I won't go into), fuel was a good bit dearer then too. Also, outside any but the largest towns and cities, the only brand you could buy was BP. While wandering the Highlands I quickly learned that when you did see a filling station - you filled up!
Too right!
When I go south with the lorry, I fill up everywhere and it is a damned sight cheaper than in Shetland.
Fuel is a joke here and then they wack on the charge for a 4x4 which is a necessity and not a luxury.
Just let me at 'em! Bloody Chelsea Tractors taking one child to school.
Fx
Post by: Highmac on June 14, 2007, 02:08:13 AM
Post by: beacher on June 14, 2007, 06:56:38 PM
Post by: bil207 on June 15, 2007, 07:03:25 AM
Post by: Gregg on June 15, 2007, 07:52:05 AM
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A simple solution to high summer gas prices would be to move election day to July 4th.
Nobody would vote when that fell on a weekend.
Gas has gone down to under $3 here also. I haven't done an analysis of my driving patterns (though I do have records which I could tally) but I don't think my driving habits have changed much. We drove our cars fewer miles the last two summers. My younger son was in Germany, and Iowa those summers!
Post by: sandbox on June 16, 2007, 12:01:42 AM
So Hugo is not a responsible global partner and Exxon is not a responsible global corporation. Most if not all oil producing nations and oil suppliers have done unspeakable acts in order to transform crude into petrodollars, and we all condone their actions by fiat deciding with our cash which of the latest tyrant is the best of the bunch.
For me, all fuel being equal, I’ll give my cash to the best entertainer in the industry who also happens to have the lowest price which I suspect is Hugo at the moment.