Post by: gunug on February 07, 2008, 09:05:45 AM
Post by: Paddy on February 07, 2008, 12:45:52 PM
A few things to consider:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=88338
http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20041221081432908
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?m...83�
What make and model of external drive is this?
Post by: FultonKBD on February 07, 2008, 08:34:59 PM
I have a few aliases set up to various folders from the FireWire drives and I can use them no problem. And I can still boot and navigate but have to jump through some hoops to get the root level of the internal hard drive.
I haven't figured out a fix yet.
Post by: Paddy on February 07, 2008, 08:40:35 PM
There is a script link at the end of this Apple thread that fixed things for one person:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?m...96�
Post by: FultonKBD on February 07, 2008, 08:51:46 PM
QUOTE(Paddy @ Feb 7 2008, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Welcome, FultonKBD!
There is a script link at the end of this Apple thread that fixed things for one person:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?m...96�
There is a script link at the end of this Apple thread that fixed things for one person:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?m...96�
Thanks for the greeting and thanks for the link. I'll take a look.
Post by: gunug on February 08, 2008, 01:08:31 AM
describes my problem to a "T" and I'm convinced that it's not the connections or anything else but something to do with updating to 10.5.1 or an update that went through at the same time. I'll try some things tomorrow including changing to an external USB 2.00 adapter that I have here at home. The firewire is one made by TEAC and and hasn't failed me yet although it is only a 400 Mbit/s and not an 800!
Welcome to TS FultonKBD! I looked at your profile (to see if you might be from Fulton, MO) & enjoyed looking at your website as well.
Post by: Gregg on February 08, 2008, 07:24:06 AM
QUOTE(gunug @ Feb 8 2008, 01:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Welcome to TS FultonKBD! I looked at your profile (to see if you might be from Fulton, MO).
Nope! From NEO. Spent a year there one day... I think.
FultonNEO, wherever you are.
Post by: FultonKBD on February 08, 2008, 08:26:30 AM
So last night I tried the AppleScript from the link Paddy posted. It worked for each drive until I went to run it for the last drive. When I applied the script, the Finder quit as it should and the other drives I ran through the script disappeared again.
So I'm back to square one.
Post by: Paddy on February 08, 2008, 10:24:35 AM
Wonder if there is something in the firmware of the last drive that doesn't play nice with 10.5.1?
Post by: gunug on February 08, 2008, 10:39:09 AM
Post by: FultonKBD on February 08, 2008, 10:40:07 AM
QUOTE(Paddy @ Feb 8 2008, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Weird. Can you run it on the one that it didn't work on (first) and see what happens? If it still doesn't work, you could at least get the others working (maybe - testing would be in order of course).
Wonder if there is something in the firmware of the last drive that doesn't play nice with 10.5.1?
Wonder if there is something in the firmware of the last drive that doesn't play nice with 10.5.1?
I continued trying various orders of the hard drives but the Apple script doesn't do anything at all to any drive. I was able to get the boot drive to show and stay shown but the other internal partition is still invisible and all the FireWire drives are still invisible.
Post by: Paddy on February 08, 2008, 11:24:25 AM
What happens if you start up as a different user? Or in Safe Mode? Any differences? Does Disk Utility see the drives? Can you unmount them and then mount them again? (My externals disappear and then reappear in the sidebar when I do this, as one would expect)
Have you tried trashing the Finder .plist and then restarting? Resetting the PRAM (it does store info about the startup volume, so might be worth a shot)
These may all be long shots, but possibly worth a go if you haven't tried them yet.
Post by: FultonKBD on February 08, 2008, 11:50:52 AM
QUOTE(Paddy @ Feb 8 2008, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Out of curiosity (and you may have gone through this already) - how did you apply the 10.5.1 update? Have you tried reapplying the combo update? This problem isn't universal - probably the majority of people have NOT had this issue, so it's hard to say whether it's something in the 10.5.1 update or some other factor that may not appear to be related, but in fact is.
What happens if you start up as a different user? Or in Safe Mode? Any differences? Does Disk Utility see the drives? Can you unmount them and then mount them again? (My externals disappear and then reappear in the sidebar when I do this, as one would expect)
Have you tried trashing the Finder .plist and then restarting? Resetting the PRAM (it does store info about the startup volume, so might be worth a shot)
These may all be long shots, but possibly worth a go if you haven't tried them yet.
What happens if you start up as a different user? Or in Safe Mode? Any differences? Does Disk Utility see the drives? Can you unmount them and then mount them again? (My externals disappear and then reappear in the sidebar when I do this, as one would expect)
Have you tried trashing the Finder .plist and then restarting? Resetting the PRAM (it does store info about the startup volume, so might be worth a shot)
These may all be long shots, but possibly worth a go if you haven't tried them yet.
Actually, I haven't really done any troubleshooting with the problem. Partly because I've been busy. Partly because after upgrading to Leopard I've had a few quirky issues like this. (I just upgraded the system, not archive and install. Plus, I am always messing with my system, installing/uninstalling software and stuff. So it's probably me, not necessarily Leopard.) And partly because this issue hasn't really disrupted my work flow enough.
I was looking for a quick fix and thought I found it with that AppleScript.
To answer your questions - The issue is for all the user accounts. Haven't tried safe mode. Disk Utility can see/verify/repair/mount/unmount the drives. Haven't reset the PRAM and haven't trashed the finder.plist file. So now I will need take some time and troubleshoot to figure it out.
Post by: gunug on February 08, 2008, 01:47:43 PM
Post by: dolphin on February 08, 2008, 02:34:37 PM
glad to have you aboard!!!
Post by: krissel on February 09, 2008, 04:14:26 AM
FultonKBD!This is pretty basic but have you checked your Finder preferences to be sure you have the box checked to show drives, etc. on the desktop? If so, perhaps this preference is corrupt, though it would have to be corrupt even in another user's account.
But it wouldn't hurt to remove it, log out and back, or restart and see if there is any change... user/you/library/prefs/finder.plist
Post by: MamaMoose on February 10, 2008, 02:33:23 AM
MamaMoose
Post by: gunug on February 12, 2008, 07:37:24 AM
Post by: FultonKBD on February 12, 2008, 08:32:20 AM
Out of my three internal drive paritions (from two drives), I was able to get two to show.
Out of my three FireWire External partitions (from two drives), I'm still not seeing them.
For my next troubleshoot, I am going to connect the FW drives to another Mac runing Tiger and see if they show up there.
Wish me luck.
Post by: krissel on February 13, 2008, 07:52:15 AM
Let us know what happens.
Post by: Gregg on February 13, 2008, 08:59:36 PM
I didn't let that "play" long enough.
Post by: FultonKBD on February 13, 2008, 09:57:45 PM
Post by: FultonKBD on March 01, 2008, 03:03:37 PM
Which of course makes sense, since the setting is for the drive to be invisible. I just wish I could figure out why it went invisible in the first place and why I can't get it back to visible.
Post by: krissel on March 01, 2008, 03:53:33 PM
Post by: gunug on March 01, 2008, 04:58:12 PM
1) Setup system to clone from (I used both iMAC 20" and Intel Macbooks) and I could take the MAC OS on this system to 10.5.1/10.5.2 with no problem; the external drive doesn't seem to work over 10.5.0 though. Use Carbon Copy Cloner and Winclone to make the images from these partitions with the system booted from one partition on the external drive and onto a second partition for storing images. The main external drive I'm using is an external SATA 160Gig with a 40Gig part with the system and the other 120 for Data images.
2) Boot from the external drive on the next machine. Use Drive Utility to partition the drive (30 Gig for XP / The rest MAC OS Journalized). The XP partition to me must be set up as FAT 32 because the MAC OS can't deal with NTFS.
3) Reboot the system from a Windows XP Service Pack 2 CD and go to setup and point to the FAT32 partition. When you tell it to "install XP" to that partition you can then choose from a menu of what to do next to the partition and one of these choices is "convert" the drive to NTFS before installing and that's what I do so the XP partition is read only to someone on the MAC side. The tedious thing at this point is that you have to do the 1st level of the XP install (precopying set up programs which I don't use) before you're allowed a chance to reboot to the external MAC 10.5 partition to go on.
4) When it reboots you hold down the "Option" key and choose to boot off the external partition with 10.5 on it and then use WINCLONE to clone the XP image over first, then reboot to the external partition again and use Carbon Copy Cloner to clone over the MAC 10.5.1 partition with all the goodies on it (Adobe CS3, Microsoft Office 2004, a music program called Sibelius and other things for this special music program in this case).
5) Then I usually reboot to the internal MAC 10.5.1 partition and then I reboot to XP the first time (it does a 3 pass CHKDSK check) and then I have to rename the PC because our network doesn't like two PC's with the same name.
If you were to clone over the MAC partition first and then the PC you'd have to do the PC partition twice (who knows) for it to work. This is far more than anyone wants to know but I thought I'd show my progress. I'd like to do this from a MAC server used NETRESTORE to do all the clone work but it doesn't work yet with 10.5 all that well. There are also UNIX ways to do all of this but I'm not ready for that sort of heavy lifting!
Post by: FultonKBD on March 01, 2008, 07:23:00 PM
QUOTE(krissel @ Mar 1 2008, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sounds like the only thing you can do for now is to try that AppleScript or the terminal commands on the drives, one at a time, and immediately create an alias for each one on the desktop before you do the next. At least you would have an easier way to get to the drives.
Actually, an alias for each drive is exactly my work around. Hence the reason I haven't really tried to fix this. Plus I have aliases of the folders that I use the most on these drives.
Post by: Xairbusdriver on March 02, 2008, 03:15:15 PM
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I thought I'd show my progress.
Not to mention your extreme patience! 