Post by: Bruce_F on February 12, 2008, 11:06:37 AM
The boot process stops at the gray screen with the apple and spinning wheel.
I tried booting in Verbose mode but that fails. It will boot in Safe mode and everything checks out, but it will not boot up.
I'll have to wait until the weekend before I'll have time to get into this but I just wanted to warn people about what can happen. Like I said, I'm not the only one. I checked the Apple discussion boards and there are a few others who experienced the same or similar problems.
Post by: Paddy on February 12, 2008, 12:05:36 PM
Seems to be good advice for avoiding problems as a general rule.
Let us know if that solves your problems!
Post by: Gregg on February 12, 2008, 12:14:18 PM
Post by: Parker on February 12, 2008, 08:52:08 PM
I guess Apple released the PowerBrick to go with the iBrick Phone
Hate to hear that this happened to you Bruce.
I didn't update my MacBook yet... however now i'm a little hesitant to
...any Intel users having problems with the update??
Post by: Bruce_F on February 12, 2008, 09:58:57 PM
QUOTE(Paddy @ Feb 12 2008, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Others report issues as you've noted, Bruce - but generally solved them by applying that old standby, the combo update, instead of the Software Update version.
Seems to be good advice for avoiding problems as a general rule.
Let us know if that solves your problems!
Seems to be good advice for avoiding problems as a general rule.
Let us know if that solves your problems!
I used the Combo Update on my MDD desktop and it updated just fine. I haven't messed with my PB because it currently will not go past the gray screen with the apple and spinning wheel. This weekend I'll try the Leopard installer disk to see if I can revert back.
Post by: MamaMoose on February 12, 2008, 10:57:15 PM
Oy!! (we need an emoticon for it sucks!!). If you can, using a system DVD (any OS 10 or greater will do), boot into that system. Then download the Combo upgrade and apply the upgrade to the current system.. OR, read the MacFixit article [MacFixit 2/12/08 that shows how to revert to OS 10.5.1 from 10.5.2. I think there is a tutorial fpr reverting to 5.0 from 5.1.
I hope this helps,
MamaMoose
Post by: Parker on February 13, 2008, 06:50:08 AM
QUOTE(MamaMoose @ Feb 12 2008, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bruce,
Oy!! (we need an emoticon for it sucks!!). If you can, using a system DVD (any OS 10 or greater will do), boot into that system. Then download the Combo upgrade and apply the upgrade to the current system.. OR, read the MacFixit article [MacFixit 2/12/08 that shows how to revert to OS 10.5.1 from 10.5.2. I think there is a tutorial fpr reverting to 5.0 from 5.1.
I hope this helps,
MamaMoose
Oy!! (we need an emoticon for it sucks!!). If you can, using a system DVD (any OS 10 or greater will do), boot into that system. Then download the Combo upgrade and apply the upgrade to the current system.. OR, read the MacFixit article [MacFixit 2/12/08 that shows how to revert to OS 10.5.1 from 10.5.2. I think there is a tutorial fpr reverting to 5.0 from 5.1.
I hope this helps,
MamaMoose
or 
work for that
Post by: Xairbusdriver on February 13, 2008, 02:12:16 PM
Post by: Gregg on February 13, 2008, 09:01:24 PM
QUOTE(MamaMoose @ Feb 12 2008, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oy!! (we need an emoticon for it sucks!!).
When you need one that we don't have, make your own.... :vacuum:
Post by: Bruce_F on February 13, 2008, 09:55:08 PM
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Feb 13 2008, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bruce, before doing a complete re-install, see if you can start up in Safe Mode.
Yep, I did that. While in Safe mode I ran fsck -fy and it reported that something was modified and that there were no problems. I also tried starting up in Verbose mode but that didn't work. It went into a never ending loop of errors.
I used OS X installer disk to repair the disk and repair permissions. When that finished fixing a mess of stuff, it reported that all is well.
Well, not so fast... I still get the same results when I try booting up.
Saturday is just around the corner. I'll spend more time with it then.
Post by: Gregg on February 14, 2008, 07:18:00 AM
QUOTE(Bruce_F @ Feb 13 2008, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I ran fsck -fy
What language is that? :mumbojumbo:
Have a nice, relaxing weekend!
Post by: Xairbusdriver on February 14, 2008, 09:16:18 AM
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While in Safe mode I ran fsck -fy...
Did you try a normal start up after the Safe Mode? I assume you did and it didn't help. However, if things worked fine in Safe Mode, that's a pretty good indication that there is a problem with some non-Apple software that is interfering with the startup process. Finding is the hard part, of course... Hang in there!
Post by: Bruce_F on February 16, 2008, 09:02:56 PM
I had a backup of most of my files in Time Machine so it wasn't a total loss. I did loose some things, but I'll get through that.
Post by: Gregg on February 17, 2008, 02:17:06 PM
QUOTE(Gregg @ Feb 14 2008, 07:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Bruce_F @ Feb 13 2008, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I ran fsck -fy
What language is that? :mumbojumbo:
Yeah, I tried to find that in Help, in order to learn a little more. I didn't find it. Maybe I need to type "Help" in Help for help finding things in Help.
QUOTE(Bruce_F @ Feb 16 2008, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I did loose some things, but I'll get through that.
Glad it wasn't a major loss of data. I'm sure you're happy to have it running again.
Post by: Mayo on February 17, 2008, 04:50:10 PM
1. Backup all your data prior to applying an OS upgrade.
2. Use the combo updater instead of the Software Update option.
3. Let others upgrade first and see how things go for them...
Post by: Gregg on February 17, 2008, 10:16:03 PM
You mean download from Apple and install???
I used Software Update. And now I can't even post here... oops! just did that.
Post by: Bruce_F on February 18, 2008, 12:40:19 AM
Here's a link to 10.5.2 Combo Update.
About fsck -fy:
In Safe mode the command fsck -y will go through the system files and correct stuff sort of like repairing permissions.
Post by: Gregg on February 18, 2008, 07:35:26 AM
So I wonder if fsck -y does more than TechTool Pro can do...
You just boot into Safe Mode and then...
Post by: Xairbusdriver on February 18, 2008, 11:03:48 AM
At this point in Leopard, it's a moot point, I guess, but there'll come a day, later this year, when you'll be on your 6,7 or 8th update and it might pay to be sure all the previous changes are made. Of course, I recommend waiting a few days/weeks after any major update to see what secondary effects it might bring. Many people are just plain nervous about updating a System while that very System is running. It seems that Apple has answered those fears by having a lot of the changes occur only after the actual OS has started to Shutdown. You'll sometimes see this in other Apple app upgrades, also.
Post by: Gregg on February 18, 2008, 12:09:12 PM
It took about an hour on my relatively slow DSL connection for SU to do 10.5.2
But, start it just before you go out to chop more wood or cut another ice block. Then who cares?
Post by: Xairbusdriver on February 18, 2008, 04:48:58 PM
QUOTE
What you're describing used to be called a "Universal" Updater.
Maybe so, but Steve already had that word busy in describing apps that run on PPC or Intel Macs. But "Combo" works, anyway, since they are 'combinations' of all previous updates, not just the single one you usually get from SU. If you ever skip an update, you'll not be able to use the next one unless you go back and do the one you skipped, first. Or, you can just do the current "combo" updater and it will add all the things since the original 'cat' was released. At least that's the way I understand it, so don't try to confuse me with facts and reasoning! 
BTW, there were reasons to skip some updates last time. At least until Apple fixed the bugs that were caused by one of them. Remember, make sure your data has been backed up in a usable form before making any update to the OS. And even then, do so at your own pace. There is no law that says you have to be the first one to use an offered update. OTOH, I think I'm preaching to the choir where you are concerned!
Post by: MamaMoose on February 19, 2008, 02:07:28 AM
fsck -y does the same thing as verify and repair volume does in Disk Utility. But, it does solve the type of proplems that Disk warrior does.
MamaMoose
Post by: Gregg on February 19, 2008, 07:24:29 AM
We're not it DOS here.... Is it in a menu?? (I doubt it.)
Post by: Bruce_F on February 19, 2008, 10:34:07 AM
Booting in Single User Mode and Running fsck -y:
fsck (file system check) is a start-up Unix utility ran from the command line.
Here is Apple's technical article on running FSCK.
Apple tech article states that Disk Utility Repair Disk is the same as running as fsck, yet many users have said they prefer fsck -y from a Shut Down. In the linked Apple tech article, Apple states, "For Mac OS X 10.4 or later, you should use Disk Utility."
In any case, we do NOT need an Apple boot Install CD or DVD to run fsck -y.
Here's how to fsck -y:
Shut Down Mac completely, Restart your Mac.
Immediately press and hold down the Command and S keys until text begins to scroll on screen. In a few more seconds, the Unix command line prompt (%).
Type fsck –y (fsck space minus y).
Press Return key.
Text will start updating the progress...if there is damage, the final line will say ***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *****.
If you see that message, REPEAT Steps 3 and 4 again and again until that message no longer appears. Having to run fsck more than once is normal, because the first run's repairs may uncover additional problems.
The end should read: "The volume <name of disk> appears to be OK."
Then type "reboot", then press Return to boot back off the hard drive.
Post by: Gregg on February 19, 2008, 12:09:23 PM
Post by: tacit on February 19, 2008, 04:04:42 PM
Norton Antivirus is a common culprit here, but any program that starts itself when the computer boots, or that installs a kernel extension, may be at fault.
Do you have any programs set to start automatically? When you start in verbose mode, you say that you see an error message. Can you tell us what the error message says?
Post by: Bruce_F on February 19, 2008, 10:11:44 PM
QUOTE(tacit @ Feb 19 2008, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can you tell us what the error message says?
Nope... too late. That all happened last week. That's ancient history in my head.
Yeah, there were a few apps that started at bootup. Not any more...