Post by: gunug on May 21, 2008, 08:38:57 AM
worse and her room mate tried to run the remains down the garbage disposal which backed up into all the other apartments and almost caused
a mass migration! Well, I thought the recipe must be called "rotten shark" but this is apparently the actual procedure for preparing that fine dish:
http://www.simnet.is/gullis/jo/shark.htm
I like the disclaimer:
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Don't try this at home unless you know what the end product is supposed to taste like. Putrefied shark can become spoiled.
Post by: Gregg on May 21, 2008, 12:12:45 PM
Post by: Xairbusdriver on May 22, 2008, 09:38:30 AM
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Putrefied shark can become spoiled.
Nothing like redundancy to drive home a point! 
Then, there are Balutes...
Post by: Frances144 on May 25, 2008, 02:32:29 PM
I have also eaten ‘Skerpikjøt’. This is the special Faroese delicacy of lamb that has been hung for over a year and is eaten raw.
....and dried fish (ling) which you rehydrate and eat with boiled potatoes.
Not very nice, any of it. But you have to try these things, don't you?
Post by: Xairbusdriver on May 25, 2008, 03:44:39 PM
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But you have to try these things, don't you?
Absolutely not! And I hope you don't have that attitude when someone suggests a bungee jump over a frozen lake! Or aerobatic flight without a seat belt or parachute. Or swimming in the middle of a hurricane. Or flying a kite in a severe thunderstorm. Do you need more examples of the fallacy of that kind of 'reasoning?' If I can't spell it, know what went into it, or stand the smell/site of it, I certainly don't need to take a chance on eating it! 
Now, if I find myself alone on a deserted island, all bets are off!
Post by: Frances144 on May 25, 2008, 04:51:50 PM
Post by: gunug on May 26, 2008, 05:30:29 AM
Post by: Frances144 on May 26, 2008, 09:47:14 AM
Post by: Mayo on May 26, 2008, 01:14:09 PM
Post by: jcarter on May 26, 2008, 07:49:56 PM
Longgggg story made short, I used to grab some of the sharks that the scientists had taken 'what they were studying' out of the animal, and my Bermudian friends would cook it up. It was only dead about 2 hours and it was delicious, but if you leave it to get warm, it will decay really fast, as sharks are full of urea and thats stinky.
Shark has to be cooked right away, not left around like you can do with other fish, ick.
Jane
Post by: Gregg on May 27, 2008, 07:13:45 AM
QUOTE(jcarter @ May 26 2008, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Shark has to be cooked right away, not left around like you can do with other fish, ick.
I didn't know that. I suppose that explains why you don't see it on the menu at restaurants.
Post by: Paddy on May 27, 2008, 10:35:44 PM
And then there is farmed salmon - high in PCBs, and apparently sometimes inaccurately labeled as "wild." Hard to know what they're going to tell us not to eat next... but I think I'll avoid rotten shark.
Post by: kimmer on May 27, 2008, 11:15:01 PM
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And then there is farmed salmon - high in PCBs, and apparently sometimes inaccurately labeled as "wild."
Farmed salmon is also fed synthetic coloring agents so that their flesh turns pink-orange instead of gray. Many folks (Sneakers is one) are allergic to the coloring agent and will get sick, break out in hives, etc. Not fun.
I'll pass on the shark - rotten or not.
Post by: gunug on May 28, 2008, 07:52:58 AM
Post by: Paddy on May 28, 2008, 08:24:50 AM
Allergic reactions to astaxanthin and canthaxanthin are actually relatively rare (and according to the paper below, it's inconclusive that these agents are capable of causing a true allergic reaction - even when they're synthesized from non-natural sources.)
Really interesting paper on the mechanism of allergy and natural color additives: http://www.allerg.qc.ca/coloradditives.pdf
Sneakers' reaction certainly does suggest an allergy - but it could also be something other than the coloring agent. (Something else they fed the fish?) My husband has variable reactions to shrimp - sometimes they've made him throw up, other times he's been absolutely fine. Gotta wonder if it has something to do with the source - and what the shrimp ate! He tends to avoid shrimp for the most part now...(and our oldest son is truly allergic to all shellfish - the swelling up, scary sort of allergic for which we have an Epipen. He's fine with fish though.)
Good article on farmed salmon: What happens when we feed fish like a cow?
Another really interesting article - in which the author does finally admit that the coloring may or may not have been the cause of her allergic reaction:
Is something fishy going on?
At any rate, for most people, the high levels of PCBs and dioxin would be the primary concern - long term ingestion of these is clearly NOT healthy.
Post by: jcarter on May 28, 2008, 08:41:17 AM
Then one of our kids is allergic to strawberry flavorings, but if she eats one off the vine, there is no problem.
And if I eat processed coconut, like candy or the like, I get nauseous, but if I just cut one open and eat the fresh meat, no problem.
So there must certainly be tons of additives, colors and so forth that we can be allergic to, but not the raw product itself.
But that doesnt apply to lobster, as you cook 'em live.
Jane
Post by: Frances144 on May 28, 2008, 10:38:08 AM
Never more then.
Fx
Post by: kimmer on May 28, 2008, 11:33:44 AM
Paddy, we aren't sure it's the dye, although the doc thought that was the most likely cause. It could also be the oil that is often fed to the farmed salmon (I don't remember all the info I dug out when this was happening). What we DO know is that if Sneakers eats farmed salmon he breaks out in hives and it causes his asthma to flare up. So he's just really cautious where he eats salmon so that we can trust it's wild. Not a problem for the next year, since the salmon season is dead here. :-/
Post by: Gregg on May 28, 2008, 12:10:58 PM
I do have a sort of reflex reaction to Red Lobster. Causes me to clutch my back pocket.
Post by: chriskleeman on May 28, 2008, 01:29:15 PM
We were getting some really interesting organic farm-raised salmon at the restaurant last year, and the reason I mention it is because it supposedly is being farmed somewhere on the coast of Oregon.
It was really beautiful fish, and as it's raised organically, probably wouldn't have any traces of any bad stuff that could trigger Sneaker's allergy.
I don't know how you'd find it, but I could ask our fish purveyors if they know where it's farmed.
As for shark, I'd never touch it! Garbage scows of the ocean, those fish!
Chris K
Post by: jcarter on May 28, 2008, 03:26:48 PM
But they are soooooo delicious.
We used to set a few pots in Woods Hole when we were young, that meant getting up at 4 to haul them then off to work.
Not any more, leave that stuff for the young guys.
Jane
Post by: kimmer on May 28, 2008, 04:03:40 PM
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Hey Kim...
We were getting some really interesting organic farm-raised salmon at the restaurant last year, and the reason I mention it is because it supposedly is being farmed somewhere on the coast of Oregon.
It was really beautiful fish, and as it's raised organically, probably wouldn't have any traces of any bad stuff that could trigger Sneaker's allergy.
We were getting some really interesting organic farm-raised salmon at the restaurant last year, and the reason I mention it is because it supposedly is being farmed somewhere on the coast of Oregon.
It was really beautiful fish, and as it's raised organically, probably wouldn't have any traces of any bad stuff that could trigger Sneaker's allergy.
Pretty sure we know the place, but farm raised is farm raised and it ain't wild and Sneakers can't take any more chances. But thanks for the offer / suggestion.
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As for shark, I'd never touch it! Garbage scows of the ocean, those fish!
Yeah, just rent JAWS and you'll be cured of wanting to eat sharks.
Post by: krissel on May 29, 2008, 12:18:15 AM
I told them not to get the really expensive stuff cause I'd choke on it.
Post by: gunug on May 29, 2008, 04:32:21 AM
Post by: PussEFoote on June 06, 2008, 08:09:05 AM
We used to catch gummy shark (commonly known as "flake") at Garden Island on holidays, often found small ones in the cray pots - according to this site they live on crayfish & such like.
gummy shark
Never did any of us any harm!
After a couple of weeks we used to get pretty sick of crays for breakfast, lunch & dinner though!!
BarbZ
Post by: Xairbusdriver on June 06, 2008, 05:37:42 PM
Post by: gunug on June 07, 2008, 06:35:25 AM
Post by: PussEFoote on June 08, 2008, 07:54:05 AM
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BarbZ - You actually make "gummy shark" sound interesting; with all due respects to XABD! I assume the recipe doesn't call for hanging it around for days or weeks? Thanks!
Nah! Like all fish, the fresher the better.
Can't vouch for the stuff you get at the fish 'n chip shop though.
I think the only time we had fish for breakfast was on holidays - Dad would catch it (very) early in the morning or overnight (rock, reef or surf fishing), come back & clean & cook it for breakfast. He spent most of the 2 weeks fishing - off the jetty or out in the dinghy were other alternatives.
None of us (my sisters & I) were into fishing then, but we were hoiked out of bed at 5am every morning to walk over to the back beach to pull the cray pots, followed by a freeeezing dip in the ocean before walking back.
He was still at it when we were all grown up & taking *my* kids over to the island for holidays.
Great days!
Can't do that any more - Garden Island now belongs to the navy & has very restricted day access only.
BarbZ
Post by: gunug on June 08, 2008, 10:27:28 AM
Post by: kimmer on June 08, 2008, 11:11:15 AM
(Sorry, had to borrow gunug's phraseology.)
Post by: gunug on June 08, 2008, 01:01:46 PM
Post by: Xairbusdriver on June 10, 2008, 02:48:25 PM
I'd even eat some of those trout for breakfast!