Post by: hingyfan on August 16, 2008, 06:02:46 PM
Post by: iGuy on August 16, 2008, 06:32:03 PM
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Sorry, NBC Direct currently requires Windows XP (Service Pack 2) or Windows Media Center Edition or Windows Vista.
Post by: kbeartx on August 16, 2008, 09:20:32 PM
I predict that w/in six months, either Apple, some of the other big players such as Adobe, or the Open Source community will ante-up w/ workable solutions.
- KBear
Post by: kimmer on August 16, 2008, 11:49:13 PM
Post by: swhitset on August 17, 2008, 10:09:30 AM
I wouldn't count on that.
Steve
Post by: sandbox on August 17, 2008, 05:13:00 PM
Post by: Xairbusdriver on August 17, 2008, 05:30:09 PM
BTW, the NBC link is <http://www.nbcolympics.com/>
Post by: hingyfan on August 17, 2008, 08:20:14 PM
Planned obsolescence is the process of a product becoming obsolete and/or non-functional after a certain period or amount of use in a way that is planned or designed by the manufacturer. Planned obsolescence has potential benefits for a producer because the product fails and the consumer is under pressure to purchase again, whether from the same manufacturer (a replacement part or a newer model), or from a competitor which might also rely on planned obsolescence.
Post by: krissel on August 18, 2008, 01:09:50 AM
There are many forums that have posts about how restrictive those NBC Olympic videos are. They give you a message that you don't have the correct browser, system, etc.
You can get around that by using the ability built in to some browsers to simulate another OS and browser.
However you then are told to download a windows only viewer, which you can also refuse.
Once you jump through all those hoops, you have to select your local cable company so they can 'connect' you. However if your cable company did not PAY NBC to transmit those videos you are still out of luck.
I'm on Optonline (Cablevision) and they did not pay the tariff that NBC demanded so I can't see the videos no matter what computer I'm on.
NBC
Post by: kbeartx on August 18, 2008, 01:25:53 AM
QUOTE(swhitset @ Aug 17 2008, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
KBear, I wouldn't count on that.
Not counting, just prognosticating. 
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Aug 17 2008, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't really care about watching the Olympics
That's me. K
Post by: Paddy on August 18, 2008, 11:37:04 AM
Video is currently supported on the following browsers:
Internet Explorer 6, 7 for Windows
(Vista, XP SP2 or greater and 2003)
Firefox 1.5, 2, 3 for Windows
(Vista, XP SP2 or greater and 2003)
Firefox 1.5, 2, 3 for Mac
(OS 10.4.8 or greater, Intel only)
Safari 2 & 3 for Mac
(OS 10.4.8 or greater, Intel only)
I truly wouldn't count on or even predict that NBC will ever bother supporting PPC. Even Apple isn't going to continue supporting PPC for much longer...
It's an interesting contrast to the CBC - where you can view on-demand video of just about every sport - they're using Flash. Of course, there may be a someone Canadian slant to things!
Check it out at http://www.cbc.ca/olympics/ondemand/ if you're interested.
Post by: hingyfan on August 18, 2008, 03:54:37 PM
My flat screen iMac is still pretty peppy, or at least it was until Leopard came along. That was the first salvo, i guess.
The MSNBC angle is interesting. Ive heard Verizon cable won't carry that network.
Post by: Paddy on August 18, 2008, 05:13:41 PM
Note: the 10.6 release is supposed to be largely a speed-bump for the Intel machines, and a stable, Intel-only release for developers to use, rather than a feature-laden whizz-bang update of the OS, so we probably won't be sitting here drooling until perhaps 10.7...which could easily be 3.5 to 4 years after the switch to Intel.I have a 2.5MHz dual-processor G5, so I feel your pain. I've always kept up with new releases, though sometimes waiting until the first revision to actually install them, depending on the seriousness of the inevitable howls of complaint from the bleeding-edge-at-all-costs types. Out of 7 machines, we have only ONE Intel machine in the house at the moment - my MacBook Pro. Other than that: 2 G5s, one G4, two Powerbook G4s and one Powerbook G3.
My G5, at 4 years of age, is still performing very well indeed, so I don't anticipate buying anything new any time soon. Guess we'll just have to see whether 10.7 is truly astounding - and whether the new hardware over the next year or two is equally amazing.
Probably the biggest thing will be if Adobe and others go Intel-only with their software. And the writing is on the wall there too:
http://blogs.adobe.com/keyframes/2008/08/a...ac_powerpc.html
However, not ALL CS4 releases are Intel-only; Dreamweaver and Fireworks are universal binaries (see betas: http://labs.adobe.com/ ) Not sure yet about Photoshop, but suspect that since it isn't a 64-bit release, it may still be a universal binary as well.
Post by: sandbox on August 19, 2008, 01:18:09 AM
QUOTE(Paddy @ Aug 18 2008, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
From the NBC site:
Video is currently supported on the following browsers:
Internet Explorer 6, 7 for Windows
(Vista, XP SP2 or greater and 2003)
Firefox 1.5, 2, 3 for Windows
(Vista, XP SP2 or greater and 2003)
Firefox 1.5, 2, 3 for Mac
(OS 10.4.8 or greater, Intel only)
Safari 2 & 3 for Mac
(OS 10.4.8 or greater, Intel only)
I truly wouldn't count on or even predict that NBC will ever bother supporting PPC. Even Apple isn't going to continue supporting PPC for much longer...
It's an interesting contrast to the CBC - where you can view on-demand video of just about every sport - they're using Flash. Of course, there may be a someone Canadian slant to things!
Check it out at http://www.cbc.ca/olympics/ondemand/ if you're interested.
Video is currently supported on the following browsers:
Internet Explorer 6, 7 for Windows
(Vista, XP SP2 or greater and 2003)
Firefox 1.5, 2, 3 for Windows
(Vista, XP SP2 or greater and 2003)
Firefox 1.5, 2, 3 for Mac
(OS 10.4.8 or greater, Intel only)
Safari 2 & 3 for Mac
(OS 10.4.8 or greater, Intel only)
I truly wouldn't count on or even predict that NBC will ever bother supporting PPC. Even Apple isn't going to continue supporting PPC for much longer...
It's an interesting contrast to the CBC - where you can view on-demand video of just about every sport - they're using Flash. Of course, there may be a someone Canadian slant to things!
Check it out at http://www.cbc.ca/olympics/ondemand/ if you're interested.
Well...... it works for me......
Post by: krissel on August 19, 2008, 04:31:59 AM
Post by: Paddy on August 19, 2008, 09:10:25 PM
http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Watch_the_Olympics_Online
My favorite is the CBC, of course!
http://www.cbc.ca/olympics
Post by: krissel on August 20, 2008, 04:54:47 AM
Hmmm, maybe there should be an Olympic medal for jumping through all those hoops to view the videos.
Post by: kimmer on August 20, 2008, 01:24:41 PM
QUOTE(krissel @ Aug 19 2008, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, you can get past all the 'qualifications' put up by NBC even on a PPC. I finally figured out how but it still wouldn't get me the videos since my cable company didn't pay them.
Same here. Our cable company is a small operation and they wouldn't have the money to line NBC's pockets. Personally the whole thing stinks. I can remember when the Olympics ran IN REAL TIME no matter where in the world the events were held. So, I boycott them completely. Don't watch any of it and don't really care. Not that NBC notices.
Post by: kbeartx on August 20, 2008, 08:56:31 PM
However, since OS-X has in many ways been 'embraced' by the Open-Source Community, I feel rather hopeful that the many users of still-useable PPC machines will NOT be entirely left adrift as Apple and the other Big Corporations try to force us to buy new hardware and new big-ticket software packages.
- K
Post by: sandbox on August 22, 2008, 03:55:31 AM
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However, since OS-X has in many ways been 'embraced' by the Open-Source Community, I feel rather hopeful that the many users of still-useable PPC machines will NOT be entirely left adrift as Apple and the other Big Corporations try to force us to buy new hardware and new big-ticket software packages.
So true.....
My G3 running OS 9.2.2 works just fine, as does the old eMachine running Windows 98. Most folks have TV's so you can watch the O's at home or in your favorite watering hole. There are so many ads on in the program they should pay you to sit though the bombardment. I recorded a lot of it so i don't have to watch the ads, and I suppose one could figure out how to record it on their Mac.
I don't feel compelled to get a new Mac just yet, there's really nothing that I'm not able to do with my iBook or eMac on Panther. They may be building in Obsolescence but only if you want what you don't have, or need something different. iCan watch the O's on 3 out of six computers that I have. It streams just fine over my HP os XP pro, it's very slow on my iBook in Virtual PC but iCan see some of it. It probably would work on the G3, eMachine or the XO. If one wanted to, they could most likely watch it on their Smartphones, given the right location.
Post by: Xairbusdriver on August 22, 2008, 08:58:56 AM
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from this perspective there is little or no financial raisin to continue to support their loyal customers still using PPC machines.
While I feel your pain and agree with what sandbox says just above this, isn't what you are saying somewhat contradictory? If 'customers' were truly 'loyal' they would be buying the new equipment, not hanging on to the equipment that Apple (and most developers) has announced they will not continue to support. I'm not sure 'loyalty' is the best term to use when discussing relationships between people and fairly quickly 'upgraded' hardware. It just may be that the sped of computer 'upgrading' has surpassed the normal lifespan of those same machines. So what are the choices for a company? Used cheaper, more likely to fail quicker components? Or simply 'improve' the software so it needs (or takes advantage of) only the newest hardware? I think Apple is doing more of the latter than the former.But they are also trying to expand their hardware/cloudware choices. Man-hours to support older hardware simply can't be justified when new markets are being sought/built. 'Justified,' of course, is defined by Apple. And it seems to mean a gross profit margin of nearly 30%. A lot of that goes into the march forward, of course. But a lot also seems to be going into bank accounts for who knows what purpose.
I still think SB and others pretty much hit the 'head of the nail' with the thought that the hardware/software you have need not be replaced until you can no longer do what you want or need to do. But you should then expect to pay for what others have already paid for while you used what you had and they didn't. You probably won't pay any more than they did and you might even end up with a newer, faster and more capable machine than many of them!
Bottom line, enjoy what you can afford or have and don't complain that it may not be supported for as long as you use it. Life is too short to worry about what we don't have! And many things are more important than the computers we use.
Post by: krissel on August 22, 2008, 06:33:50 PM
In that respect we are truly loyal customers.
I'm still using a Digital Audio that I upgraded in all areas and it does just fine for what I ask of a computer. Until it dies (knock, knock) or something comes along that I can't run, I'll hold on to it. And my backup 9600 is still capable (running Panther) though not as fast.