Post by: Highmac on August 25, 2008, 08:35:50 AM
Might be Kingston Trio or Limeliters, but would love to know for sure!
Post by: Jack W on August 25, 2008, 09:37:46 AM
I have it in my iTunes library, altho I can't find my copy of the original album it was on.
- Jack
Post by: Highmac on August 25, 2008, 12:15:38 PM
Post by: kbeartx on August 25, 2008, 03:05:24 PM
To my ears, it sounds unmistakably to be Roger/Jim McGuinn. I cannot say whether with the Byrds or without...
- KB
Post by: Highmac on August 25, 2008, 03:56:50 PM
Post by: Jack W on August 25, 2008, 05:28:06 PM
kbear: Check out this:
http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Trio-Large-...n/dp/B00005MHVH
and this:
http://www.truveo.com/Shenandoah-The-Kings...o/id/2928967549
- Jack
Post by: kbeartx on August 25, 2008, 07:17:29 PM
QUOTE(Jack W @ Aug 25 2008, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now I know I have to find the album!!!
You'd better; your credibility is on the line here!
Thanks for the links; I checked-out both of them: first, the mere fact that TKT 'covered' that tune is not relevant to this conversation [so did many other artists], I listened to the version of Shenandoah on that vid [which clearly is The Kingston Trio], and that song version bears no musical resemblance* to the one in the link that Highmac posted.
Until I am presented w/ evidence to the contrary [as opposed to opinions], I stand by my original assessment that the principal singer on Highmac's mystery track is none other than Roger McGuinn, former lead singer w/ the Byrds.
* TKT's version is much slower, and there is no audible banjo on that track
- KB [who was a Kingston Trio Maven back in their heyday]
Post by: Gregg on August 25, 2008, 08:43:05 PM
Post by: gunug on August 26, 2008, 08:45:56 AM
Post by: Jack W on August 26, 2008, 09:35:02 AM
It was ripped from one of the Kingston Trio albums I owned, but can't find.
Attn: Admins
Is there anyway I can post my version on TS like Highmac did?
I don't have access to a server.
Now I have my tarnished
reputation to uphold! Thanks, Jack
No offense kbear, but i ain't lyin! And I'm not accusing you of lyin either.
Never even heard of the Byrds and Roger McGuinn
BTW, I was also a BIG fan of the Kingston Trio back in their hayday, and attended a couple of their live concerts.
Also a big fan of Peter, Paul and Mary – also attended one of their live concerts.
and a few other such ilk.
Post by: kbeartx on August 26, 2008, 02:25:37 PM
QUOTE(Jack W @ Aug 26 2008, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The track I have in my iTunes library is identical to the one on Highmac's link.
Well, until somebody else hears and verifies this, only you know it. Didja listen to the audio of that video? Didja notice that it was NOT the same? Mebbee you could email the mp3 to Highmac, and he could 'post' it [or at least ascertain and attest to its similarity]?
QUOTE(Jack W @ Aug 26 2008, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No offense kbear, but i ain't lyin! And I'm not accusing you of lyin either.
No offense taken, JW. I do not think you are lying, merely mistaken. And I am happy to 'change my tune' if/when presented with evidence to the contrary. BTW, what would 'satisfy' my desire in this regard is to hear the same music from a second source [other than Highmac's clip] that is unambiguously attributed to TKT [note that I have d/l'd many tunes over the years that have been mis-attributed, so the operative word here is 'unambiguosly']. The fact that you have already 'discovered' a version of the song in question [the video track] that is, quite obviously to my ear, performed by TKT, increases the need for unequivocal attribution in this case.
QUOTE(Jack W @ Aug 26 2008, 09:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Never even heard of the Byrds [<--check out the very thorough Wikipedia entry*] and Roger McGuinn
Now that's a scary admission, IMO. Never heard Mr.Tamborine Man; You Ain't Goin' Nowhere; My Back Pages; So You Want to Be a Rock 'n' Roll Star; Eight Miles High; Turn! Turn! Turn!??? Several of these were Number One Hits, and several were written by Bob Dylan, and one by Pete Seeger.
- kbEAR
* I just now learned there that McGuinn had played w/ the Limelighters beef-ore forming the Byrds, so maybe it's one of their recordings?
Post by: Jack W on August 26, 2008, 07:29:14 PM
The video was probably recorded at a totally different session from the CD, and might have even been a different rendition.
Artists do many recording sessions and many different albums where they use different mixes of their songs.
Or recorded at various "live" performances.
And I ain't misteakin'. I ripped the song from a KT album several years ago. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
And, yes I did email my version to Neil and he is going to post it in a couple of days.
Thanks, Neil!
- Jack
Post by: kimmer on August 26, 2008, 09:15:25 PM
Post by: krissel on August 27, 2008, 12:26:44 AM
http://ibiblio.org/jimmy/folkden/php/music/Shenandoah.mp3
From this page:
http://bruce.orel.ws/seegersessions/audio.html
http://www.ibiblio.org/jimmy/folkden-wp/?p=6983
http://www.amazon.com/Folk-Den-Project-Rog...n/dp/B000CPGYBW
More info about the song:
http://bruce.orel.ws/seegersessions/songs/...doah_notes.html
Post by: kimmer on August 27, 2008, 12:47:25 PM
The best rendition I've ever heard was done by the River City Ramblers.
You can hear a snippet here, and you can even buy the CD.
Post by: kbeartx on August 27, 2008, 06:21:28 PM
QUOTE(Jack W @ Aug 26 2008, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And I ain't misteakin'. I ripped the song from a KT album several years ago. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
Yes, you are mistaken [which is a real word, not some slang term like you created, look it up. How long are you gonna stick to that story in the face of mounting evidence to the contrary?
The version that Kris found [great sleuthing, BTW!] is indubitably the same as Neil's clip, and it was recorded in 2003 by Roger McGuinn [just as I opined at the outset of this conversation] as part of his Folk Den Project, which is still ongoing today.
Vindication is mine!!!!
- KBEAR, of the Golden Ones
[yes, I can clearly hear Ben Franklin's voice saying, 'eh, a little overboard, isn't it?' and it's true
]
Post by: kimmer on August 27, 2008, 07:48:07 PM
Post by: sandbox on August 27, 2008, 09:08:52 PM
Shows to go yah, there are some great sleuther's around here.
I've had some exposure to the Byrds, especially where David Crosby played.
Post by: krissel on August 28, 2008, 02:50:37 AM
Post by: Highmac on August 28, 2008, 05:24:57 AM
- have to say it sounds UNCANNILY like the one I've got AND the one Kris found.... at 4min 27sec it's even the same length! First clip is from the mp3 you sent, the second is from my original post so you don't have to go scrolling back.http://www.neilmcadam.co.uk/Shenandoahjackclip.mp3
http://www.neilmcadam.co.uk/shenandoahclip.mp3
Reckon we have to accept Kris's link as "independent arbitration".
QUOTE(krissel @ Aug 28 2008, 08:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, I guess no one can accuse Kenny of being modest ...
The phrase "modest Texan" has to be a good definition of an oxymoron
Kimmer... Here's one to bring back memories:
It wasn't me! He started it! It's all his fault! He keeps picking on me and taking my toys!
I've got a brother and we were kids many, many years ago....
Post by: Highmac on August 28, 2008, 05:37:50 AM
Post by: Jack W on August 28, 2008, 09:12:25 AM
Post by: chriskleeman on August 28, 2008, 09:13:43 AM
Maybe Kbear had one cup of coffee too many yesterday!
Kenny, remind me to never mess around with you on matters of musical history!
Chris K
Post by: beacher on August 28, 2008, 02:26:51 PM
Post by: kbeartx on August 28, 2008, 05:06:29 PM
QUOTE(beacher @ Aug 28 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Take a bow, KBear!
And shoot an arrow with it?
- KB, who is no longer feeling over-caffeinated
Post by: kbeartx on August 28, 2008, 05:16:04 PM
QUOTE(sandbox @ Aug 27 2008, 09:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was trying to pick up the Rickenbacker but couldn't distinguish it from the other strings.
The Classic McGuinn signature sound! It's in there, noticed it later in the take, might not be audible on speakers [eye wuzz heerin' et uvvr heffones].
KB
Post by: kbeartx on August 28, 2008, 05:28:49 PM
QUOTE(Highmac @ Aug 28 2008, 05:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(krissel @ Aug 28 2008, 08:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, I guess no one can accuse Kenny of being modest ...
The phrase "modest Texan" has to be a good definition of an oxymoron
I guess living here for close to 25 years is rubbing off on me, coupled with the fact that I am a native New Yorker [another group stereotyped as mebbee a bit on the opinionated side...]
- Da Texas New Yorker
Post by: gunug on August 29, 2008, 07:47:40 AM
Post by: kimmer on August 29, 2008, 12:13:09 PM
QUOTE(Highmac @ Aug 28 2008, 03:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kimmer... Here's one to bring back memories:
It wasn't me! He started it! It's all his fault! He keeps picking on me and taking my toys!
I've got a brother and we were kids many, many years ago....
It wasn't me! He started it! It's all his fault! He keeps picking on me and taking my toys!
I've got a brother and we were kids many, many years ago....
Yeah, I had a younger brother and one of us was always saying "He / She started it!" Never cut any mustard with our mom.
Post by: kbeartx on August 29, 2008, 05:31:09 PM
QUOTE(gunug @ Aug 29 2008, 07:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I had thought there was a law that kept people from New York from moving to Texas!
Well, there might be, but in mic ace, I did not make the relocation directly: lived in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts for eighteen years beef-ore making the move to the Loan Star State...
- KB
Post by: sandbox on August 30, 2008, 05:21:23 AM
I think I hare a bit of the brooklyn in dat dar sound, maybe queens.