Post by: amk285nyu on May 11, 2003, 06:19:22 AM
I heard that Netscape and Mozilla are virtually indistinguishable now. Is this true? Any experts? Netscape was the first browser I ever used, a LONG time ago, when it destroyed everything else. It's a bit bulky now, I think. I remember when you could buy "Gold" versions of Netscape at Wal-Mart. Is this sort of marketing still in practice? Is there a bigger, buffer version of browsers out there only available to paying customers? It seems like they all put out their best stuff for free, now.
I use Safari. I also keep Internet Explorer, for Scrapbooking, although it looks like iCab Pro has that too now, but I was wondering, for any of you who have test-driven Safari but decided in favor of another browser: what features does your browser have that you can't live without? Why'd you jettison Safari?
Post by: RHPConsult on May 11, 2003, 09:29:06 AM
Mozilla is an open product, under constant scrutiny and development by zillions of interested people; Netscape is owned by AOL, and, well, enough said. Want to know what Netscape may look like in a year or so, if AOL doesn't screw it over too much? That's Mozilla, today. It's a free download. The current v 1.3 works splendidly with OS 10.x.
It's interface is attractive and intuitive, though I had some brief but real dilemmas with its creation of a "second" set of mail folders during installation (an adaptation to the multiple users basis of OS X). Couldn't trash them, though unwanted; ignoring was the solution.
Mozilla's only current shortcoming, IMO, is the lack of integrated spell checking - - presumably coming in the next version. Advantage: Netscape!
I'm old fashioned and not. I've always thought it quite advantageous to have mail and browsing integrated. That compensates, as far as I'm concerned, for any speed differences claimed by any competitors vs. Mozilla (Netscape).
I'll certainly try Safari when my friends tell me it's really finished, but until OSX Mail is finally written by engineeers, rather than Summer Interns (or whatever), so that its truly obvious problems are absolutely solved, Safari - - to me - - is just another fast browser w/o mail.
Post by: gmann on May 11, 2003, 11:02:02 AM
Post by: taliesin on May 11, 2003, 12:10:28 PM
For me, it's Camino and Safari in equal measure, for different reasons.
They're almost always both open now.
And still iCab for its amazing range of print options.
Omniweb "sneakypeek 4.5sp23" because I back the ongoing development of that one.
IE5 I have permanently "mislaid".
Post by: kelly on May 11, 2003, 12:13:58 PM
Especially since TS looks the best in Safari, IMO.
For OS 9.x I still use IE 4.5 and IE 5.x when I need to.
I tried the Tabs in Safari and stopped using them.
I prefer to open new windows for searching and posting links.
Tabs just made it too confusing.
To my mind. Tabs would work best with Broadband.
Load five sites at once and such.
Post by: amk285nyu on May 11, 2003, 02:48:57 PM
QUOTE(RHPConsult @ May 11 2003, 2:29 PM)
Mozilla is an open product, under constant scrutiny and development by zillions of interested people; Netscape is owned by AOL, and, well, enough said. Want to know what Netscape may look like in a year or so, if AOL doesn't screw it over too much? That's Mozilla, today. It's a free download. The current v 1.3 works splendidly with OS 10.x.
LOL.
So true.
Yeah, there are zero votes so far for America Online. If you use that, justify yourself. I remember the first time my cousins got on the internet they were using AOL- "America's #1 Browser!"- and I puked on them. You can't even access the internet on that thing!
Post by: amk285nyu on May 11, 2003, 02:55:38 PM
QUOTE(taliesin @ May 11 2003, 5:10 PM)
This poll should be multiple choice...
For me, it's Camino and Safari in equal measure, for different reasons.
They're almost always both open now.
And still iCab for its amazing range of print options.
Omniweb "sneakypeek 4.5sp23" because I back the ongoing development of that one.
IE5 I have permanently "mislaid".
For me, it's Camino and Safari in equal measure, for different reasons.
They're almost always both open now.
And still iCab for its amazing range of print options.
Omniweb "sneakypeek 4.5sp23" because I back the ongoing development of that one.
IE5 I have permanently "mislaid".
Yeah, I was considering multiple options; maybe that would have been better.
You use iCab to scrapbook, then? That, to me, is an indispensable feature. Sometimes I find pages on the web that have information, and I know the pages are temporary or at risk of going offline permanently, so I scrapbook. Bookmarking doesn't suffice in those instances. I use it for so many other purposes, too.
You say iCab has great print options. What do you use it to print?
Also, what do you need both Safari and Camino for? I tried out Camino for a little bit, but it didn't seem to have anything Safari didn't that I used, but I didn't trial it for an extended period of time, so that's why I started this thread.
If the Mac version of Opera ever adds the motion gesturing, though, SNAP! I'm on it.
Post by: Paddy on May 11, 2003, 03:11:46 PM
Anyway, though I have every OS X browser under the sun, and may have 4 open at once checking web page design, for browsing, searching and posting, Safari is now my number one choice. I've come to rely on that little Google search window so much that I go looking for it in other browsers. One thing that I like about Omniweb that Safari doesn't offer, is spell check. I was reminded of that nice feature the other day when I took Omniweb out for a spin, and made a post here.
Well, let's see if THIS post sticks!
Post by: amk285nyu on May 11, 2003, 03:35:14 PM
I don't compose in my web browsers, so I don't understand why I would use it. I mean, when I'm reading, if I don't know a word is misspelled, it means I don't know the word. If I don't know the word, I'll look it up and find the proper spelling anyway.
Post by: amk285nyu on May 11, 2003, 03:37:34 PM
Man, oh, man, Safari is slaughtering peope. I expected more users of iCab.
Post by: pendragon on May 11, 2003, 05:10:47 PM
TIA
Harv
Post by: bil207 on May 11, 2003, 05:56:37 PM
QUOTE
The one thing that I like about Omniweb that Safari doesn't offer, is spell check. I was reminded of that nice feature the other day when I took Omniweb out for a spin, and made a post here.
Paddy,
You can use the spell check feature in Safari if you go to Edit/ Spelling.
Post by: Paddy on May 11, 2003, 09:16:24 PM
- I'll have to plead busyness again... 
Post by: Al on May 12, 2003, 12:02:28 AM
QUOTE(taliesin @ May 11 2003, 7:10 AM)
This poll should be multiple choice...
IAWT, my real answer would have been multiple choice.
I currently am test driving and fairly liking Safari on all my Macs in my household. My family is really liking Safari too for the extreme speed. Yet, it is not finished and does have it's limits. Certain types of drop down menus don't work, bookmarks are cumbersome and the issue of not all the animated smiley's working.
But, shortly before (less than a month ago, actually only a couple of weeks ago) I was a diehard Netscape user. Still am at heart, I think the tabbed browsing in Netscape 7 is much better than in Safari and that has to be one of the main likings for me in any browser (tabbed browsing, so convenient, never more than one window open anymore).
I keep the other browsers around, but only use them to check compatability issues with web pages while surfing.
QUOTE(pendragon @ May 11 2003, 12:10 PM)
I have read some, but I still don't understand what's the big deal with the Gecko browser. Will some kind soul please expalin (in English) why this is or is not an advantage or what the benefit may be?
TIA
Harv
TIA
Harv
Hi Harv,
Before, IE would have been the fastest and most compatible, but time has changed and so has browsers.
IMO, the GECKO engine renders web pages much faster that IE, and still does it correctly (mostly). That would be my take on that. But now that Safari is out, VROOOOMMMMM!!!!!
Post by: RHPConsult on May 12, 2003, 01:00:48 AM
Be respectful of yer elders kid!
Some of us need spell checks, even with , uhmmm, enhanced vocabularies, because even though we've been typing for 60+ years, we're still crappy typists. Sad to say.
"We" sure are!
Post by: cdub1988 on May 12, 2003, 08:44:57 AM
"OS X users only."
Still running strong on 9.1.
Maybe someday I'll get a new machine. :whistle:
If it's any merit, IE 5 on Classic.
I'm a Mozilla fan anyways, so, well if I went to X, that'd likely be it.
I run it on Classic, but unfortunately, it loads a little doggish and response time is slower, though this is like due to hardware deficiency rather than codebase.
My $.02.
Chris
Post by: Spartacus on May 12, 2003, 11:46:19 AM
There are only two occasions when I use IE:
1) banking
2) eBay
Banking because I don't trust a beta concerning security (although I have no proof that it is insecure).
And IE's auction manager is very handy when you see something at eBay you really want to have (because it gives you a notification 15min before the end of the auction).
Once Safari is officially (read version 1) released I'll most likely use it for banking as well. And perhaps I'll find a different solution for that ebay manager.
Camino was cool when there was no Safari and OmniWeb didn't evolve much.
I never like iCab, Mozilla or the new Netscape (6, 7) and always hated Opera.
Hence there was only IE before Safari was released.
And ever since I have Safari I am using it almost all the time and love it (especially the tabs).