Post by: daryl66 on November 08, 2008, 12:07:16 PM
Application computability stands at the forefront of my concerns. I thought I recalled a thread or 2 addressing that very issue existing here. If it does, I cannot find it (probably cockpit issue on the search). 
At this point the question is general and not yet specific. We still have not decided which Mac is going to replace the broken one. 
There is a band aid in place for now.
Thanks
Daryl
Post by: Gregg on November 08, 2008, 12:46:31 PM
Post by: Mayo on November 08, 2008, 01:05:14 PM
If you have a bootable Tiger volume on an external hard drive you can update it with Leopard and then run your Mac off the external drive until you are certain there are no problems. Then you can either upgrade your Mac's internal drive or use SuperDuper! to copy the external volume to the internal.
I ran Leopard for a week from an external and then used the second option and it Worked Like A Charm.
Post by: kimmer on November 08, 2008, 02:21:42 PM
Post by: Paddy on November 08, 2008, 02:31:24 PM
Also, the list of applications that you linked to has not been updated since February 13, 2008 and is now seriously out of date. In just looking at the beginning of the list of apps with "major issues", I knew that 2 of them had most certainly been updated since then. Checking revealed that both Applejack and Unsanity's Application Enhancer are now fully 10.5 compatible. Ventrilo was also updated and works fine - both my sons use it constantly under 10.5.
The list of applications that work but previous versions have issues is probably the most useful. However, again - it's not completely up to date either. Adobe's CS3 apps (Acrobat 8 in particular) have now been updated and work fine.
Things that I know from personal experience work fine in 10.5 (some of which are obvious since they're installed as part of the system or are Apple apps):
1Password
AbiWord
Acquisition
Address Book
Address Book Exporter
Adobe Acrobat 8 Professional
Adobe Bridge
Adobe Bridge CS3
Adobe Device Central CS3
Adobe DNG Converter
Adobe Dreamweaver CS3
Adobe Dreamweaver CS4
Adobe Extension Manager
Adobe Extension Manager CS4
Adobe Flash CS3
Adobe Flash CS3 Video Encoder
Adobe GoLive CS
Adobe Help Center
Adobe Help Viewer 1.1
Adobe Illustrator CS3
Adobe InDesign CS3
Adobe Lightroom
Adobe Photoshop CS3
Adobe Photoshop Elements 2
Adobe Photoshop Elements 6
Adobe Reader 8
Adobe Stock Photos CS3
Adobe Studio
AirPort Client Monitor
AirPort Management Utility
AllBookmarks
Amaya
Amazon MP3 Downloader
AOL Radio
AppFresh
AppleScript
AppleWorks 6
Art Directors Toolkit 4
Audacity
Audio Hijack Pro
Audion 3
Automator
Balthisar Tidy
BBEdit 6.5
BBEdit Support
Bookit
Calculator
Camino
Canon Utilities
Carbon Copy Cloner
Chicken of the VNC
ChronoSync
ColorTagGen
Corel Painter 8
crunch 2
CSSEdit
Cyberduck
Dashboard
DEVONnote
Dictionary
Dim-b153.jar
disclabel NEATO Edition
DivX Converter
DivX Player
DVD Player
EasyFind
Excalibur
Export-Import Entourage X-135
Exposé
Fetch 4.0.3
Firefox 3
Firefox 2
FirstClass
Flip4Mac
Flock
Font Book
Front Row
Galerie
GarageBand
Glide
Google Earth
GraphicConverter
HBImageProcessor 1.0
HTML-Optimizer 7.8.2
iCab
iCal
iChat
iDVD
iLoveFonts(OSX)
Image Capture
ImageIndexer 1.02
ImageWell
iMovie HD
iNet Stream Archiver
Installers
Internet Explorer
iPhoto
iPhoto Buddy
iResize 1.0
iSync
iTuneMyWalkman
iTunes
iWeb
iWork '06
Jalbum
JewelToy(Quartz)
KoalaCalc 4
Kodak EasyShare
LightZone
LimeWire
Longwood Wizards Guild
MacJanitor 1.2.1
Macromedia Contribute 3
Macromedia Fireworks 8
Macromedia FreeHand MXa
Mail Forward
Mail Scripts
memtest
Merriam-Webster
Meteorologist
Microsoft Mouse
Microsoft Office X
Microsoft Office 2004
Microsoft Office 2008
Minotaur
Move up one level
Mozilla
My Photo Album 4.2
NeatImage
NeoOffice
Netscape
NewsMac
Nvu
OmniDiskSweeper
OmniGraffle
OmniOutliner
OmniPage SE
OmniPage_SE_Direct_OCR
OmniWeb
OnyX
Open XML Converter
OpenOffice.org
Opera
Overflow
Pacifist
PatchBurn 3
PDFtoHTML
Pen Tablet
Photo Booth
PhotoPage 1.6b2
PhotoReviewer
PhotoStitch
PhotoStudio
PHPphotoAlbum
Picasa Web Albums Uploader
Picturesque
Plain Clip
Poisoned
Preferential Treatment
Preview
Quicken 2005 (not sure about this - never use it any more!)
QuickTime Player
RapidWeaver 4.0
RAW
REALbasic
RealPlayer
Roadbook
Safari Bookmark Exporter
Safari Enhancer
Safari3
SafariBookmarkChecker
SafariSorter
SeaMonkey
Shiira
Simple CSS
SMARTReporter
SnapNDrag
Spaces
Standard Dictionary
Stickies
StreamRipperX
StuffIt Expander
StuffIt Standard 8.0.2
Style Master 4.5.1 Demo
Sunrise
SuperDuper!
Sync Entourage-Address Book 1.2.6
System Preferences
Tablet
Temperature Monitor
TextEdit
TextWrangler
Time Machine
TinkerTool
TNEF's Enough 2.0
Transmission
Transmit
TransType
TypeTrainer4Mac
Typinator
udm4
UniSudoku
URL Manager Pro
Utilities
VLC
VueScan
wClock
WeatherPop
WebKit
WebshotsExtractor
Windows Media Player
YemuZip
Zinio
Post by: Mayo on November 08, 2008, 03:10:18 PM
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Also, the list of applications that you linked to has not been updated since February 13, 2008 and is now seriously out of date.
I didn't bother to check; that bookmark goes into the trash!
Post by: Xairbusdriver on November 08, 2008, 04:17:24 PM
Be aware that you should probably check all sites for any app you use, since they may have upgraded to make use of Leopard capabilities, even though the old one may still run.
Acorn
Backdrop
CandyBar
Cocktail
CoverSutra
DefaultFolderX
Denoise
EasyFind
Excalibur
FIleJuicer
FileMaker 5 (I think) through 9
Folding@home
Growl
iBank
iGlasses
Increase
iStopMotion
MarinerCalc
MarinerWrite
MaxMenu
Monolingual
PandoCalendar
PathFinder
Pixelmator
PopChar
Pref Setter
Quicken 5 (fur sure!)
Snapz Pro X
SpamSieve
SpamStopper
TaskPaper
TextEdit +
VectorDesigner
While some newer machines ran Elements 4, it did not on my Core 2 Duo and I was told it would not by Adobe. They even applied my money to version 6 which was not released at that time. YMMV.
Other than that app, I don't remember any useful program that would not run on Leopard.
Post by: kimmer on November 08, 2008, 07:21:09 PM
I've copied both of your lists for future reference.
Post by: MamaMoose on November 09, 2008, 02:41:55 AM
MamaMoose
Post by: daryl66 on November 09, 2008, 11:39:46 AM
QUOTE(Paddy @ Nov 8 2008, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm sort of doing the same thing right now - with my MBP hooked to various external drives as my G5 is in the shop. Of course, Leopard was running on both machines and all the drives, so the only incompatibilities have been in versions of iPhoto (forgot I hadn't updated the G5 to iLife '08).
Absolutely GREAT info from everyone, you and ABD in particular.
I will NOT loose this thread. It would appear that the move will not be too painful. 
She has close to 1000 photos in Iphoto which is 4.0.3. Should I expect some grief there as we never did move to Ilife???
I suspect we will move to the new mac leaving the existing laptop running Tiger for a while. Are there any known issues mixing the two on an in house network, using a D-link router???
Daryl
Post by: krissel on November 19, 2008, 11:46:13 PM
http://guide.apple.com/universal/
http://www.macintouch.com/imacintel/rosettacompat.html
http://www.macintouch.com/imacintel/ubinaries.html
Post by: Paddy on November 20, 2008, 09:22:00 AM
Gad how I loathe these nuisance activation requirements!
Post by: RHPConsult on November 24, 2008, 08:10:41 PM
I had more than a dollop of apprehension (not as young as I once was
) but when I received Leopard (installed) on a new MB-Pro, it gave me a real chance to break-myself-in with a protected environment, so to speak. It was/is delightful. Truly delightful.So, about a month ago, I then got round to installing 10.5.5 on my iMac/Intel. I, too, was worried about that out-of-date compatibility roster I saw here, but since I only observed FileMaker Pro therein – from among my long-term favorite apps – I just, well, did it . . . concluding that my MB-Pro experience and the millions who were waaaaay ahead of me (in line) seemed to be plenty happy. The rosters from Paddy, Mayo and AirBusDriver are probably as comprehensive (and practical) as you'll ever find.
My advice: Don't tarry. You'll conclude, I'll wager, that it's the best move you've made with any Mac you’ve ever owned. Leopard is simply amazing. If I can do it, anyone can.
FWIW, I have now completely retired "The Mozillas" for Mail and Safari. Now if someone would only resurrect WordPerfect for the Mac!
Post by: kimmer on November 24, 2008, 10:59:39 PM
QUOTE(RHPConsult @ Nov 24 2008, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
FWIW, I have now completely retired "The Mozillas" for Mail and Safari. Now if someone would only resurrect WordPerfect for the Mac!
I actually have 10.5 here (it came out just after I bought my iMac and I was able to buy it for some ridiculous amount).
I'm not willing to bump up until that replacement for Eudora is ready, because I will go kicking and screaming to my grave before I give up Eudora.
Safari is okay, but until they do a makeover and it has the features of FF, I won't switch browsers either.
Oh, I'm sooo stubborn.
Post by: RHPConsult on November 24, 2008, 11:59:35 PM
But, I'll never go back. The "stationery" hooked me, as did the e-mailing of iPhotos.
Post by: kimmer on November 25, 2008, 02:45:14 AM
See, I have my email set to plain text, I never see the fancy stuff folks send. I refuse.
Like I said I'm sooo stubborn.
Post by: krissel on November 25, 2008, 05:37:44 AM
Much to my surprise it started up and works just fine. ImageReady does too. Hallelujah !
What thrilled me even more was finding several of the contextual menus items I really use a lot also worked even though they were made in 2004 and only verified for Panther. Oh, happy day.
Only problem is Leopard is a memory hog. I can only put 1.5 G of Ram in this old girl and running the basic apps I usually have going takes up 2/3 of that. Poo. Guess I may end up relying on VM when I do use Photoshop.
Oh, well, can't have everything now, can we?
Post by: Xairbusdriver on November 26, 2008, 02:37:15 PM
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I have my email set to plain text, I never see the fancy stuff folks send.
I do the same thing but I think it only helps my recipients. I am getting tired of using the View->Message->Best Alternative to see what all the text is about. Like it or not, the vast majority of users are now using html email. And it does offer some nicer and more distinct ways of highlighting specific words/phrases. 
Just like this forum software...And I know what you mean about IncrediblybadMail. But I don't think the templates in Mail are quite that bad, Apple is not known for its bad taste/design.
I think even Eudora had template capabilities, also.
Post by: RHPConsult on November 26, 2008, 03:12:43 PM
Well beyond even the most elegant smilies . . . or even the greatest similes.
Just asking.
Post by: kimmer on November 26, 2008, 04:05:31 PM
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Nov 26 2008, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE
I have my email set to plain text, I never see the fancy stuff folks send.
Like it or not, the vast majority of users are now using html email. And it does offer some nicer and more distinct ways of highlighting specific words/phrases. Just like this forum software...But reading at a forum doesn't require me to DOWNLOAD junk just to view a message - normally. I see a vast difference between visiting a forum with a browser, where I get to set my own skin and view graphics, etc; and receiving a 60K message from someone telling me their latest news, when a simple plain text 4K message would have done the same thing. Enough of those bloated emails and your email box is filled up. I had probs while we were on the road because I wasn't downloading mail on the laptop, I was viewing it online. I finally had to copy/paste some things into a text file and then delete the emails. At least when we got home I had the info I needed. I'm sorry, I just don't see the point of fancy junk mail. Not even from a pal.
And so folks understand, IncrediblybadMail was/is known to be malware/spamware and it inserted junk in their fancy stationery that spied on the recipient, etc. I doubt that Apple's Mail is filled with that stuff.
QUOTE
I think even Eudora had template capabilities, also.
Not that I've stumbled into, and it's not like I could find a help file these days.
QUOTE
Is it fair to say that html gives one (the writer) more tools with which to add "nuance"
It certainly allows the writer to be a nuanced nuisance.
Post by: Xairbusdriver on November 26, 2008, 09:55:31 PM
Post by: Xairbusdriver on November 26, 2008, 10:30:08 PM
QUOTE(RHPConsult @ Nov 26 2008, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is it fair to say that html gives one (the writer) more tools with which to add "nuance" (and we ALL know how important that is) to the thoughts expressed in text (for the reader), as opposed to iChatting/iSighting, in hopes of reducing misunderstanding, enhancing meaning, embellishing the context, jazzing-up the message . . . all that great stuff.
Well beyond even the most elegant smilies . . . or even the greatest similes.
Just asking.
Well beyond even the most elegant smilies . . . or even the greatest similes.
Just asking.
True. The problem with HTML email downloading is that it contains images which are not usually sent with the text. Instead, As I understand it, the image is sent when the message is actually displayed as HTML. At that point, your email programs HTML interpreter 'sees' the HTML tag calling for an image. That results in a request being sent to where ever that image is stored and it is sent back for display. Now, as tacit has graciuosly pointed out, that image could be nothing more than a 1 pixel by 1 pixel, transparent gif. The sole purpose of the image is to get a response from your computer that will tell the SPAMmer that yuors is a valid address that might be worth trying to compremise. Especially since it appears that you will open almost any message!
Sometimes the graphic is simply a nusance, sometimes it may be a carrier of malware, so far, only for Windows types. But why tempt fate and advertise your address?!
Just to see a Flash movie? I don't think so... On the positive side, newer email programs will allow the user to see all the 'styling' of HTML but allow the image tag to perform it's 'magic!'
Post by: RHPConsult on November 27, 2008, 12:35:57 AM
I only know that I enjoy putting some l-i-f-e into written words beyond fonts-on-a-monitor, much as "real" smile, a raised brow, or a frown embellishes oral speech with meaning, well beyond grunts, growls and whines.
I know I enjoy pilfering smilies for use in my e-mails, and I find the "stationery" in Leopard's Mail delightful. How neat to be able to dispatch-a-sticky – a yellow one, to boot – for a very brief, attention-grabbing reminder to a friend. Or to be surprised by a pastel "thank you" when you least expect one.
I gave up being thrilled by block letters (in crayon) on lined paper when my youngest grandchild wrote proudly in cursive
NOT a nuisance, IMNSHO
Editorial query: Why have I been getting 2 notices of additions to this thread, each with identical time stamps?
Post by: kimmer on November 27, 2008, 03:46:55 AM
By the way, I still enjoy playing with crayons.