Post by: RHPConsult on January 16, 2009, 08:54:27 PM
He needs to upgrade from Panther for some new software he's purchased.
His 3-year-old gear is a 1.8 gig, 600 mHz, iMac G-5, BUT he only has 512k of memory presently installed.
The questions I have – in order to help him – are:
- What's the desirable (practical for an 80 year-old) memory for Leopard?
- A 1.8 gig Mac is plenty OK for Leopard IF he has sufficient RAM, right?
- And the same for 600 mHz? Or should he go only to Tiger?
- Finally, where's the best on-line source for memory for this puppy? Brand? My "reflex" is to think OWC, what's yours?
PS: (After doing some searching of the Apple site) It would appear that all my friend has is the 512k soldered to the motherboard, while the presently/probably unused slot can hold a 2gig board. So that's what I'll recommend, unless someone out there has a caution for me/him.
Post by: Paddy on January 16, 2009, 09:24:23 PM
A 1.8GHz iMac is fine for Leopard - I've never seen a requirement for the system bus speed, BTW. No point in going to Tiger - it's way more expensive if you can even find it. The only caution would be if he has any non-Leopard-compatible apps; there are a few. (older versions of some of the Adobe software etc...)
RAM - as much as you can stuff in there, of course, which in this case is 2GB. 512 would be enough to start up, but I wouldn't try to do very much!!
I always check RAM prices at http://dealram.com . Data Memory Systems is one of my faves - I used to pick my RAM up from them when I was in a hurry because they were only 10 miles up the road from me when we lived in MA. Very reliable and Mac memory specialists. They use Macs in their offices.
http://www.datamemorysystems.com/_apple_in...Memory_1181.asp - $59 including shipping
(only a few dollars more than the RAM from 1-800 which was the cheapest listed at dealram) OWC is quite a bit more at $67.99 plus another $5 for UPS shipping. They will ship it via the post office for less, but I don't know that I'd want RAM shipped via the USPS.
Edit: RHP, there is NO RAM soldered to the motherboard - there are two RAM slots. They shipped with 512 MB standard - probably 2x256MB. So both of those will need to be removed. RAM is cheap these days!
Post by: Xairbusdriver on January 16, 2009, 09:37:04 PM
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3-year-old gear is a 1.8 gig, 600 mHz, iMac G-5, [and] 512k of memory
Are you sure the HD is only 1.8GB?! Or the age and/or processor? Something sounds fishy. 
In order of your listing:
1. As much as the Mac will hold. I think it is claimed by some that Leopard will run on 1GB but it's not pretty.
2. I'm not sure one can even install Tiger on that small a drive. And even if you could, there'd be no room left for any app. One big reason is the use of the drive for virtual memory, I think. It is used by many apps (and the OS) to store portions of code that are not needed 24/7, so to speak.
3. There are third-party apps that can trick the Installer app into thinking the machine runs fast enough. I think Apples' minimum for Tiger was 800MHz. At 600MHz, your friend would probably not notice how slow things would be running, assuming they actually would, because the drive would probably be in flames from trying to access all the parts of the OS.
And, as I said earlier, there wouldn't be apps to run, anyway. 
4. OWC is fine, but anyplace that offers true life-time guaranteed, matched pair memory should be fine. But I'd stick to name brand chips, they really aren't that much more than the 'no-name' brands. However, the memory you get for that machine might end up being underused because the buss speed will be much slower than the capability of the RAM. Or he may end up buying chips that won't be usable should he upgrade to a newer machine.
My recommendation would be to get a refurbished, newer, faster, RAM & HD upgraded Mac. I have a friend who does that sort of thing for a living. But I'll not mention his company, leaving as a learning experience for the reader.
Post by: Paddy on January 16, 2009, 09:40:14 PM
There are no iMac G5s or even G4s - that would be a very old iMac G3 - and even those babies had 40GB drives.
Post by: Xairbusdriver on January 16, 2009, 09:44:20 PM
Post by: Paddy on January 16, 2009, 10:30:47 PM
Post by: RHPConsult on January 17, 2009, 12:09:37 AM
We've been watching You've Got Mail for the seconf time this evening, otherwise I would have earlier set Cap't ABD straight, Paddy. Now wouldn't that be something to remember!
Thanks for the confirmations and the shopping advice.
Helpful and reassuring.
I'll need to check the specifics of his SR, because when I pulled-up the KB article it specified the following RAM criteria
- PC2-4200
- unbuffered
- nonparity
- 240-pin
- 533 MHz
- DDR2 SDRAM
2 gig, i board, it would appear
Post by: krissel on January 17, 2009, 01:31:43 AM
Note the differences:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac...-g5-models.html
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac...ght-sensor.html
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac...ght-models.html
All 3 compared by RAM:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/imac...-slots.html#ram
More:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2708
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3011
Post by: RHPConsult on January 17, 2009, 12:39:34 PM
Many thanks for the precision and the comprehensiveness.
Post by: RHPConsult on January 17, 2009, 06:10:27 PM
The site Paddy suggested for getting the proper RAM lists two kits (2 boards ea = 2 gigs total) described as follows. . . .
- 2GB Kit 2 x 1GB DDR PC3200 400MHz (Non ECC) 128x64 CL3 2.6v 184 Pin DIMMs
- 2GB Kit eRAM (2 x 1GB) DDR PC3200 400MHz 128x64 184 Pin (Lifetime Warranty) $59
Post by: Paddy on January 17, 2009, 07:18:08 PM
http://www.datamemorysystems.com/_memory-i...cono_613Ex2.asp - click on the "Why DMS eRAM?" tab at the top of the info section.
(it's in the URL, though they don't actually explain that it means econo...)
Anyway - they stand behind their product 100% in my experience (even flashed some non-DMS RAM for me once too...) and that, in the end, is what counts.
Post by: RHPConsult on January 17, 2009, 09:29:13 PM
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