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Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Buck on February 01, 2009, 02:46:05 PM

Ran DU to fix permissions. Got this error.

"Disk Utility stopped on hard disk do to the following.

ERROR: No valid package".

Anybody come across this in their travels through time?

I'm stymied. Can't repair permissions. Buck

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Xairbusdriver on February 01, 2009, 02:58:16 PM

I believe the "package" DU wants to see is the one that came when the app was installed. It actually should be a "package" in your HS/Library/Receipts folder. Have you by chance moved any of those? It may be next to impossible to find the one among dozens that might be 'invalid' but I don't think you need to look at any except the latest ones that are for Apple software, I don't think DU even checks the third-party stuff, nice as that might be.

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Paddy on February 01, 2009, 04:45:08 PM

Actually, it's a specific package missing:

QUOTE

This happens when the BaseSystem.pkg file is not in /Library/Receipts.

You'll need to either find it and put it back, or do an archive and install, assuming that you've done updates since you installed whichever version of OS X you're currently running, Buck.

http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2023

This is a good reminder NOT to clean out that receipts file!

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Buck on February 06, 2009, 01:43:31 PM

Do to the absents of a Firewire. Is it possible to E-Mail this app, to myself.

I know, sounds dumb.

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: tacit on February 06, 2009, 06:40:07 PM

You can't use the receipts from one OS install on another OS install.

It sounds like somehow you deleted the receipts from your hard drive. That's a big deal; it can completely mess up your system. The best fix is to re-install OS X.

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Buck on February 07, 2009, 01:09:26 AM

QUOTE(tacit @ Feb 6 2009, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I have no Optical Drive.
I'm screwed, right?

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: krissel on February 07, 2009, 02:12:38 AM

Please give us detailed info on your setup and what hardware you do have.

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Buck on February 07, 2009, 08:43:18 AM

QUOTE(krissel @ Feb 7 2009, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Please give us detailed info on your setup and what hardware you do have.

Is this to which you refer?

Mac OS 10.4.11

Machine Name: eMac
Machine Model:PowerMac4,4
CPU Type:PowerPC G4 (2.1)
Number Of CPUs:1
CPU Speed:800 MHz
L2 Cache (per CPU):256 KB
Memory:512 MB
Bus Speed:100 MHz
Boot ROM Version:4.4.2f1

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Xairbusdriver on February 07, 2009, 10:03:10 AM

And what kind of "OS Install" disks do you have?

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Paddy on February 07, 2009, 11:03:47 AM

Buck, if your optical drive is dead, then you have two options; replace it (may be difficult on an eMac) or get an external rdrive. The latter option probably is a bit more expensive and somewhat easier!

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20Wor...ing/VLFWU2D116/

http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/optical-dri...rives/powermac/ (shipping via UPS is about $5)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16827129023 (shipping is about $7)

Changing out the optical drive on an eMac isn't quite as difficult as I'd thought though:

http://www.macworld.com/article/45205/2005...ulyhandson.html

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Buck on February 07, 2009, 11:47:48 PM

QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Feb 7 2009, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

And what kind of "OS Install" disks do you have?

Mac OS 10.4.11

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: krissel on February 08, 2009, 02:43:42 AM

I believe Buck has the original eMac which is a bit harder to get to the innards. I considered putting in a different hard drive in my Dad's but backed off when I saw what was involved. Using externals seemed a better option.

If you are thinking of doing the internal replacement, here is a page that describes it on your model:

http://www.wilko.com/emac/

This guy agrees that externals are the way to go:

http://lowendmac.com/ed/packer/08jp/extern...c-upgrades.html

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Paddy on February 08, 2009, 11:33:45 AM

QUOTE

Ah - missed that. There are two sorts of 800MHz models - one with the ATI graphics, one without. In the specs he listed, you can tell by the system bus; the later one had a 133MHz system bus.

So, yeah - Kris is right, the external is definitely an easier option. Of course, if you're adventurous, you can always go for the internal, but it's the sort of thing I'd be more likely to recommend only if you're very comfortable taking things apart, and don't tend to be one of those people who have an interesting little pile of "leftovers" when you're done!

I've taken apart the original iMacs to replace hard drives and optical drives - they're not much fun to work on, but if you follow the directions carefully, keep all the screws in separate little bowls etc., it's certainly not impossible. Of course I had nothing to lose when I did it - they were "rescue" machines from the recycling depot.

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Buck on February 08, 2009, 12:38:18 PM

QUOTE(Paddy @ Feb 7 2009, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hey Paddy: Thanks for your input. This eMac came w/ a Combo drive. Is this super Drive going to stand in my way? I ordered the following HD, hope it solves Moi problem. I know next to nothing on this subject.

Quantity: 1 PIODVR116DBK, $29.95 each
Pioneer DVR-116D-BK [Black Bezel] 'SuperDrive' up to 20X DVD+/-R, up to 8X DVD+/-RW, Up to 12X Dual Layer +/-R DL, up to 40X CDR/RW Burner.

P.S. Someone suggested hooking up their USB Play Station 2 to see if this would work as an External Drive.

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: chriskleeman on February 08, 2009, 02:40:20 PM

That drive should work fine, Buck. With that drive you can burn DVD's as well as CD's, which you can't on a Combo, only CD's on Combo drives.

Don't know if the Playstation would recognize it.

Chris K

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Paddy on February 08, 2009, 02:47:13 PM

Buck, that Pioneer drive should work just fine. Are you going to try to install it in the eMac or are you going to get an external FW/USB case for it?

BTW - if you opt for an external case, you need to look for a 5.25" FIREWIRE/USB 2.0 - you cannot boot from a USB 2.0 drive with that particular Mac. Even if the Mac sees the Playstation, it can't boot from it, as it's USB 2.0.

Anyway - if you do opt for an external case, here are a couple of options:

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20Wor...uting/MRFWU2OB/

They also sell the Syba enclosure, for a good deal less. Customers at NewEgg commented that it came with a lousy FW cable, so if you go for the Syba, get it at NewEgg and order a FW cable too:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16817801003
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList....amp;Order=PRICE

(you will need the 6 pin to 6 pin cable - just need to decide on the length)

If the Syba cable does work, well, no big expense! Stores like Best Buy charge an arm and a leg for cables, so that's why I'm recommending just getting a spare *in case* if you order the Syba enclosure.

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Xairbusdriver on February 08, 2009, 03:15:34 PM

I don't think PPC machines can use USB for a boot drive, even if your Mac 'sees' the PlayStation drive, I don't think you could boot from the Install disks on it.

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Buck on February 08, 2009, 09:06:47 PM

QUOTE(Paddy @ Feb 8 2009, 03:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I want to go external. But I didn't know I need to add a case to the drive or these other cables. As I stated, I know little of what needs to be done. I'm confused, which is quite often.

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: chriskleeman on February 08, 2009, 09:50:35 PM

Hi Buck,

Yes, with that drive you will need a case to go external. In addition to Paddy's links, here's the one to the Syba enclosure at OWC:
SYBA

Looks like the one at New Egg is much cheaper, and if you order an extra cord for the Syba, make sure it's a 6 pin to 6 pin Firewire cable. Here's the exact link to the one you'll need, a 6' long cable: Firewire cable

So it looks like NewEgg can get you a case plus an extra cable for under $30 before shipping.

HTH,

Chris

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Paddy on February 08, 2009, 09:53:19 PM

Buck, you've ordered the bare drive - it needs an enclosure and the cables & power supply if you want it to be external. If you order an external case, it will come with the cables and the power supply. Those things aren't needed if you install the drive internally, as it plugs into the computer's power supply and the cable that goes to the existing (dead) drive.

I'd suggest that you order the OWC external enclosure - it's a little more expensive, but their stuff is very good and you'll have no worries about dodgy cables.

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20Wor...uting/MRFWU2OB/

All you'll need to do once it arrives, is take it apart (usually two screws or so holding the two halves together), pop the Sony drive into the enclosure, attaching the power cable and the internal ATA cable and using the supplied screws, attach the drive to the case, then close it back up, put in the screws holding the case together, plug it in and plug it into your Mac (Firewire cable) and turn it on. It will take about 5 minutes tops - it's not difficult. It will come with an instruction sheet.

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Buck on February 11, 2009, 03:32:59 PM

QUOTE(Paddy @ Feb 8 2009, 10:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ok! I've got the EX-HD up and running. Now what I need to know is how to load the eMac Software CD. Does "Target Disk Mode" have anything to do w/ that?

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Paddy on February 11, 2009, 06:47:49 PM

No, you don't need to use Target Disk Mode.

You do have the drive attached via Firewire? If so, put the eMac's system disk in the drive. Make sure that you can see the disk ok in the Finder. Then, restart, holding down the option key during startup. You should be presented with a screen with the option of starting from the internal HD or the external HD. Be patient - it often takes a while for the drives to show up. Select the external drive and click the arrow to complete the startup. You'll now be booted from the external FW optical drive and can do an archive and install of your system software.

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Buck on February 11, 2009, 07:11:27 PM

QUOTE(Paddy @ Feb 11 2009, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Restore DVD shows on monitor. Restarted holding opt, key.
It didn't do as you said, only to reboot in regular mode.

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: chriskleeman on February 11, 2009, 07:36:08 PM

Hi Buck,

You gotta hold that Option key down the whole time until you see the screen that gives you the option of which drive to start from. If you let up on it at any time during the start-up, the computer will just revert to regular start-up.

Another option: Go to System Preferences>Startup Disk>external drive. Click on the external drive and then restart. But either of these will only work if you're connected via Firewire.

HTH,

CK

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Buck on February 11, 2009, 08:20:18 PM

QUOTE(Buck @ Feb 11 2009, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

QUOTE(Paddy @ Feb 11 2009, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

No, you don't need to use Target Disk Mode.

You do have the drive attached via Firewire? If so, put the eMac's system disk in the drive. Make sure that you can see the disk ok in the Finder. Then, restart, holding down the option key during startup. You should be presented with a screen with the option of starting from the internal HD or the external HD. Be patient - it often takes a while for the drives to show up. Select the external drive and click the arrow to complete the

startup. You'll now be booted from the external FW optical drive and can do an archive and install of your system software.

Restore DVD shows on monitor. Restarted holding opt, key.
It didn't do as you said, only to reboot in regular mode.

System Preferences>Startup Disk>external drive.

I found my OSX install CD. Thing is it will not show in the startup disk window. But it shows on the monitor.
Seems I'm not going to fix this DU Permissions, repair thing.

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Paddy on February 11, 2009, 09:07:17 PM

Buck, you have got the external drive connected via FIREWIRE, not USB, haven't you? The eMac won't boot from USB.

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Xairbusdriver on February 11, 2009, 09:37:35 PM

Don't give up just yet. Just try the option key method again and keep the met pressed until your finger hurts.

And even after you get the external Install disk to be used, the Startup will seem like it will never complete! It will take three to four times longer to boot off a DVD. Hang in there!

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Buck on February 12, 2009, 10:30:04 AM

Success!! Reinstalled OS X!

Now, is there anything I need to keep from the previous system folder? Or do I just trash it.

Permissions have been repaired.

Now I need to figure out why the eMac restore CD is not supported. It worked in the past.

Thanks Paddy and to all of you that offered help.

Ya'll are the best to be sure. Buck

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Paddy on February 12, 2009, 12:41:18 PM

Buck, if the eMac restore CD is not supported, is it because it's a much earlier version of OS X than you're currently running? I'm assuming that you used an OS X retail disk in the end?

Make sure everything is working fine - give it a couple of days. After that, it's probably safe to trash your previous system folder.

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Buck on February 12, 2009, 06:26:20 PM

QUOTE(Paddy @ Feb 12 2009, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yes, you assumed right. I used a OSX disk.
And the restore disk is for 10.3. I have 10.4.11.

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Buck on February 18, 2009, 06:51:19 PM

Question: Is it possible to back up & make a start up folder or disk of my main HD w/ this EX-drive. It has a Firewire connection. Just in case the main disk on the eMac fails.

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: RNKIII on February 18, 2009, 08:37:56 PM

Using the FREE software SuperDuper! will let you make a 'bootable' backup on your FW ex-hdd.

Bob K. rnkiii

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Buck on February 19, 2009, 01:36:06 PM

QUOTE(RNKIII @ Feb 18 2009, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Using the FREE software SuperDuper! will let you make a 'bootable' backup on your FW ex-hdd.

Bob K. rnkiii

FW ex-hdd.? Sry. Ya lost me here.

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: RNKIII on February 19, 2009, 03:22:40 PM

FW =Firewire, ex-hdd = External Hard Disk Drive..

Sorry for confusion.

Bob K. rnkiii

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Xairbusdriver on February 19, 2009, 09:40:21 PM

What is a "sry?"

But IAWB, sometimes we use too many acronyms...

Title: Disk Utility
Post by: Buck on February 21, 2009, 07:46:50 AM

QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Feb 19 2009, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What is a "sry?"

But IAWB, sometimes we use too many acronyms...

SRY=Sorry.

Techsurvivors

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