Post by: Bill on May 21, 2003, 10:51:33 AM
Nemesis wasn't as bad as the credits claimed but it did have the same old story plot.
Special effects wasn't too bad in some scenes,though outdated/behind the times considering the other hot movies out.
I opted for the buy just to complete the collection since that's it [as far I know] for Star Trek.
The local Wal-Mart had them for $13.96
Samsclub $17.95 and heard bestbuy was around the same as Sams.
Post by: kelly on May 21, 2003, 10:56:54 AM
My Cable bill is insanely high.
I can only justify it by not renting movies on top of it.
Just saw Spiderman last week for example.
95% of what I get is just pure junk.
Too bad I can't just get the 5% I want.
Post by: Mrious_be on May 21, 2003, 11:33:04 AM
Was a little dissapointed though, but maybe it's cause i'm used to my DTS surround set, and had to miss the sound
Still, like you said, it wasn't to bad.
Post by: Bill on May 21, 2003, 12:56:10 PM
Went to the basic plan but might drop that as well.
MB, the sound effects through my system was ok but nothing to scream about.
Bottom line.
Gene Roddenberrys wife never really had the 'true' imagination it takes for that kind of movie.
Post by: Mrious_be on May 21, 2003, 01:14:31 PM
QUOTE(Bill @ May 21 2003, 7:56 PM)
Bottom line.
Gene Roddenberrys wife never really had the 'true' imagination it takes for that kind of movie.
Gene Roddenberrys wife never really had the 'true' imagination it takes for that kind of movie.
True Bill
I felt confused when i learned that Jonathan Frakes wouldn't direct the movie anymore, cause i do believe he did a great job on his movies ("First Contact" and "Insurection").
Although "Insurection" was kinda weak off story
Post by: Bill on May 21, 2003, 01:35:18 PM
After all,once your name is in a major production ... fat city for life.
Know a guy I hooked up with a cell phone company many years ago for a job.
He went up the latter there but his heart was in music.
He got hooked up with some c rated musicals in LA some years back.
Someone heard/liked his work. Bounced him up a few higher class musicals.
Finely after a lot of hard work (and brown nosing I suppose) he got his name in some better credits.
From there all sorts of doors opened up for him.
Monetary wise, last I heard he's in the six digit numbers traveling the globe.
Mentally wise, heard he now has his nose stuck up so high God is beneath him
Sad because he was a great happy-go-lucky kid.
Post by: Mrious_be on May 21, 2003, 02:05:39 PM
Also, it's sad to see how money can change (most) people for the worse
I guess he's happy now, doing the stuff that he likes, but sometimes i feel that it's taking to much of a person, even when it's a dream coming trough for that person.
Post by: Bill on May 21, 2003, 02:59:19 PM
Wouldn't mind one bit to find out first hand though!
Post by: Mrious_be on May 21, 2003, 03:03:46 PM
QUOTE(Bill @ May 21 2003, 9:59 PM)
Wouldn't mind one bit to find out first hand though!
Well, i'm lucky to have the money i need.
But i don't have much money left to buy the things i love to have constantly.
Still, i do feel that sometimes the strugle is good, cause than i feel alive
Post by: Dreambird on May 22, 2003, 01:05:23 PM
It wasn't all that bad anyway, I did enjoy it even if it did follow a standard sort of story line. I "do" hope it's the last of the "old" crew ST movies... there just isn't anywhere else to go IMHO.
Post by: Mrious_be on May 22, 2003, 01:48:58 PM
Post by: Bill on May 22, 2003, 03:07:02 PM
How about if Wesley Crusher comes back as the head honcho of the borg along side that queen thingie.
OR.
Q and his kid come back. The kid could go all sorts of story paths for writers.
Oh .. there could be other stories written which could fill up years of air time.
Lots of bad boys out in space land. <gr>
The fans are already in place. Which in turn brings in the coins.
They just need the capital backing and a good imagination.
Post by: Dreambird on May 22, 2003, 03:50:38 PM
One thing I was a little disappointed about with Nemesis was that this was the first mention made of Romulus's sister planet Remus since what?... the original series. Guess I would have liked to know more about it... OTOH, what do you suppose happens on Vulcan's sister planet?
Post by: Bill on May 22, 2003, 05:46:15 PM
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Post by: sandbox on May 23, 2003, 04:16:37 AM
Post by: Bill on May 23, 2003, 10:45:55 PM
I know they have direct tv but two more popped up within the last day or two.
Was going to ask what the story is when I got home this afternoon.
They packed up their new and shinny motorhome and split for the weekend. <gr>
They have rentals all over the place and I know they're always picking up perfectly good fridges,couches etc. Maybe that's where the extra two came from.?.
He's also tries to get the best out of what he has.
Has all three stacked up next to each other. Bet he's testing which gets the best picture and what not.
Post by: sandbox on May 24, 2003, 01:24:23 AM
I like an occasional flick, Blockbuster runs a “three for” and I have a hard time seeing all of the flicks in the time allotted. I just watched “the 25th hour” slow, deep, real, fell asleep in the middle, a Spike Lee drama.
I’ve yet to watch “the truth about Charlie” and the “Road to Perdition” though they have to be back Sunday at noon, and I really don’t have the time to spend.
I think they should give Star Trek a rest, let it’s absence build a desire and make one that is unforgettable in a few years. The Nemesis really wasn’t the way to go out.
Post by: Bill on May 25, 2003, 11:52:41 AM
Agreed.
The only problem I see is they closed the book (not chapters) officially.
For Star Trek to come out of the closet later on,an entire new blood transfusion would have to be implemented. I can't see 'book two.the new Star Trek' happening.
Maybe someone or ones will start a whole new title theme [away from all the off shoots of ST] and possibly integrate ST into them as they go along. After all as mentioned before "the fans are in place/coins". It would be foolish or plain near-sighted for that type of revenue to go poof-in-the-night.
Post by: Dreambird on May 25, 2003, 01:19:03 PM
That's only about the 2nd or 3rd time that's happened!
I think I feel some sort of dementia coming on... 
Post by: Mrious_be on May 25, 2003, 02:31:42 PM
The quality of the movies is always superb and the space scenes and everything around it always looks "real" to me.
I think the problem is that people are haning on to the "older" series to much, and expect the movies these days to be like that.
I, however, always felt that the series were different than the movies cause the movies could show us lots more dept than they could ever show us in the series.
If you look at the quality of the "Nemessis" movie (and i'm not talking about the story line) than you notice that there's no science fiction movie who can compare to that.
Sure we had "Blade Runner" who was visual just awesome but i'm happy to learn about other awesome science fiction movies?
Star Wars? well they are great to, but they are made from a totally different persepective than the Star Trek movies.
When i see Star Trek (just saw "First Contact" again), i always have the feeling of being on the star trekking myself.
I feel like exploring the galaxy with them, seeing the beauties of it (although they end up fighting at times).
For me... it's a shame if they would stop making Star Trek movies, even after the poor "Nemessis".
I only agree partual with Bill, maybe they should freez it for a while, but i feel they should somehow rethink the Star Trek series and keep the independant of the Star Trek movie crew as we have now.
Oooh, besides... what ever happened to the rumour of having a Voyager Movie?
Post by: Bill on May 25, 2003, 02:55:32 PM
You was thinking the 'where' ST could come up with new ideas "there just isn't anywhere else to go IMHO" on the -where did that bad guy come from- ..
Just think that person you're looking at in the mirror .... could be the real Macoy from another dimension and you could be the reflection in her eyes.
OR you 'both' could be what the alive mirror has ta look at. <gr>
MB,
the movies have always had great scenes as opposed to the series. That's where the big bucks go.
Those folks in the series had to work out of inclosed boxes called props that had limited budgets for TV.
Sometime ago they showed Janeway leaning to hard on a prop wall. That same prop wall was being used for some game show from the other side later on. *They* figured 'why' move this and that around. Just tape game show afterwards.
Well Janeway knocked the wall over which in turn knocked two others.
The old (((CUT --- CUT!!))) and they still had to re-do the walls for the game show.
Post by: Dreambird on May 25, 2003, 04:45:04 PM
I think what I might like to see if they're going to do more ST movies are "follow-ups" on things that happened in the Original Series... like what they did with "The Wrath of Kahn".
I remember when they dumped these people on Ceti (whatever #) someone remarked it would be interesting to check in on them in a couple of centuries or so and see what they'd done... there's other episodes from that series that might be cool to "go further" on.
Or personally I'd like to see a Deep Space Nine movie... like what did happen to Sisko after the prophets reclaimed him?
Hmmmm... X-Files ended on a cliffhanger too, but I sure don't want to see another cheesy "aliens take over the world" movie... could be good "if" someone does it right.
Post by: Bill on May 25, 2003, 09:01:16 PM
Then there's those super-duper dinosaurs (in the other ST shoot off with Janeway) who technically was advanced as the borg 'but' they evolved from our very own ancestor dinosaurs.
Fact. In that one episode,the first officer Chakotie (however that's spelled) asked the overgrown lizards with an IQ 3000 if they've run across the borg. Think the answer was "the borg and lizard empire [i'm sure the empire was called something else but what the hey <gr>) have an agreement. They leave our tails alone and we'll not blow up their costume designers planet. Something of that nature anyways.
I'd like to see those ugly ducks butt heads.
Imagine "Q" and his gang sitting up on the stands watching those two playing circle marbles with entire planets,solar systems etc ... bong ... -just knocked planet X out of the circle ya ugly zipper head- ... reply: -WE WILL PREVAIL!-
Post by: Dreambird on May 26, 2003, 06:24:57 AM
QUOTE
-just knocked planet X out of the circle ya ugly zipper head-
Love it!!!You wouldn't be talking about that Species 8472 would you? Or the Hirogen (sp?)
Wouldn't mind knowing what in the heck Wesley has been up to on those "other planes of existence" with the Traveller... Hmmmmm...
Post by: Bill on May 26, 2003, 01:56:29 PM
Post by: Dreambird on May 26, 2003, 04:14:53 PM
Datalogs
Looks like just about anything you ever wanted to know about...
Voyager/ST. but were afraid to ask... Whad'ya think I was going to say?
That datalog has every alien species know to man in it including Species 8472 and Hirogen.
Post by: Bill on May 26, 2003, 08:21:23 PM
Me ... after. Ya don't want to see ... before! <gr>
Hey Girl! English is hard enough for this kid!