Post by: kimmer on March 26, 2010, 12:33:15 PM
Okay ...
- I've had the 10.5 update disk since I got my iMac, so I have the install disk.
- My new Mercury Elite drive just arrived, so I have the backup drive.
- The one piece of software I couldn't live without in 10.5 also arrived this morning, so I have the software.
I think from what I've read in old threads here (yes, I dusted several of them off) I should do an archive and install, not an update. Will I lose anything if I do that?
Wow - good thing Sneakers is gonna be gone this evening and all day tomorrow. I may need all that time to myself to get through this.
I feel like a kid with a new toy.
Post by: daryl66 on March 26, 2010, 12:42:02 PM
Good luck I am sure you will get all the answers real quick. It should be a piece of cake
Daryl
Post by: jchuzi on March 26, 2010, 12:53:47 PM
I have always used the Upgrade method to advance to the next OS and it has never failed me. I always take the precaution of rebuilding the directory with Disk Warrior beforehand (and it would be a good idea to do that before cloning with SD so that you don't copy bad data). If you don't have DW, TechTool Pro or Drive Genius are good alternatives. Use Disk Utility's Repair Disk if you don't have the other apps (read Mac OS X - Using Disk Utility to Repair a Disk if you don't remember how to do this).
Since you have a complete copy of the original drive, you can always clone back from it in case something goes wrong.
Post by: RNKIII on March 26, 2010, 01:08:19 PM
Also know that the first backup to your ext. via SD! will take some time.... but that subsequent ones will complete MUCH faster..
Good luck, and know that you have many friends with many answers on TS... (hopefully the same answer for the same question!!)
Bob K. rnkiii
Post by: Xairbusdriver on March 26, 2010, 01:40:45 PM
And, if it takes as long as people are warning you, the next update to the current version of the OS will be out... 
"Better late than never?"
I don't know, kinda depends on whether they run out of the goodies they were passing out... 
Post by: kimmer on March 26, 2010, 06:04:35 PM
Bob K. - thanks for the heads up. I'll let it start and then go do something else.
Jon, thanks for the excellent tips. Don't have DW for this iMac, so I'll boot and run DU and then I clone with SD (which I picked up in a bundle a while back so that was easy to install.)
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Despite all the extra time, it will still not be as long as it took you to jump off the dock... And, if it takes as long as people are warning you, the next update to the current version of the OS will be out...
"Better late than never?" I don't know, kinda depends on whether they run out of the goodies they were passing out...
And, if it takes as long as people are warning you, the next update to the current version of the OS will be out... "Better late than never?"
I don't know, kinda depends on whether they run out of the goodies they were passing out... Jim .... I knew you'd make me laugh.
Post by: Xairbusdriver on March 26, 2010, 06:28:28 PM
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I knew you'd make me laugh.
Well, if I can't be smart, at least I can try to make my stupidity pay for itself! 
I just know you'll enjoy Leopard! Ther are very few frustrating differences and many very nice and useful ones. Try out Quick Look ASAP! It'll save waiting for several apps to open, just to see what's in the document.
Post by: kimmer on March 26, 2010, 08:32:57 PM
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I knew you'd make me laugh.
Well, if I can't be smart, at least I can try to make my stupidity pay for itself! Oh NO!
Does this mean you'll be sending me a bill? 
I'll be sure to check out Quick Look.
Off to begin my adventure.
Post by: Xairbusdriver on March 26, 2010, 09:41:42 PM
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Off to begin my adventure.
OOoooh! Look out for 'rabbit holes!' And especially those "smiling" cats! (Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, Panther, Tiger...)
Post by: MamaMoose on March 26, 2010, 10:02:44 PM
it makes no sense to me to jump to 10.5. IMHO, you would be better off to jump to Snow Leopard IF you have an install disk because of improvements available in Snow leopard that are not available in Leopard. If you do stay with 10.5, before you have installed the version you have, download from apple.com the latest COMBO updater. Once you have upgraded, immediately run the Combo Updater that installs all upgrades up to and including the latest one. In any OS installation, make sure you select Archive & Install so as to preserve anything you will need from 10.4.11.
Tom C.
Post by: kimmer on March 27, 2010, 12:58:02 AM
Backup is done. I'll have questions on that later. I'll go look for the upgrade stuff and tomorrow I'll upgrade the OS.
Post by: jchuzi on March 27, 2010, 05:56:32 AM
BTW, I agree with Mama Moose about Snow Leopard. It's only $29 from Apple, a bit less at Amazon.
Post by: kimmer on March 27, 2010, 12:47:21 PM
I'm passing on 10.6 (for now). I haven't yet seen anything about it that would get me to spend an additional $29 -- especially since I'm just now breaking in 10.5. Being married to a Scotsman has worn off on me.
Now ... I don't understand Quick Look. I added the icon to my window toolbar and can use it from there, but it's supposed to work in Mail and I can't figure out how. I don't see a QL icon that I can add to the toolbar in Mail, and pressing the spacebar just moves me down through the email.
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View attachments, no detachment.
Quick Look also works in the Mail and iChat applications in Mac OS X. Say you receive a message with a bunch of attachments. Instead of downloading and opening each one, you can use Quick Look to see them with a click.
Quick Look also works in the Mail and iChat applications in Mac OS X. Say you receive a message with a bunch of attachments. Instead of downloading and opening each one, you can use Quick Look to see them with a click.
I'm just now exploring a load of other stuff, but first I need to go fold a newsletter and then stuff, label and stamp 191 envelopes.
Post by: Xairbusdriver on March 27, 2010, 02:14:19 PM
The only time I specifically call on it is when in Finder (99% of the time I have a Finder window open). Just select a document/zipped file and press the space bar. Wah-lah! There's a view of what's in the document. QL is built into the OS, but I've never seen nor tried to call on it, specifically, when in any other app. Nor do I even know what its icon looks like! Didn't even know it had one! Where do you see it?
If your talking frugality, SL is a much better bargain than Leopard! I was thinking you didn't even have an Intel Mac and that was why you weren't going on to SL. I certainly agree with mama that you're kinda spinning your "learning wheels" by staying in plain Leopard. But, if there's anything I've learned in 67 years, never, ever try to get a woman to change her mind!
They will automatically do that, at the least expected time! 
Post by: kimmer on March 27, 2010, 03:33:26 PM
- Time Machine is in my menu bar. What is it and do I need it since I have SuperDuper?
Clock: I have day and time, but how do I get the DATE up there?My iCal calender keeps asking for Entourage???- SOLVED see this thread.
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Nor do I even know what its icon looks like! Didn't even know it had one! Where do you see it?
In my window toolbar - which is customized:
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If your talking frugality, SL is a much better bargain than Leopard!
Yes, but I already own 10.5. I don't own 10.6. Plus 10.6 would require me to update several pieces of software, and some I'd lose. I'm not interested. I may be spinning my learning wheels, but I'm happy with the direction they are spinning.
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But, if there's anything I've learned in 67 years, never, ever try to get a woman to change her mind! They will automatically do that, at the least expected time!
They will automatically do that, at the least expected time! Wise lesson you've learned.
Post by: Xairbusdriver on March 27, 2010, 04:25:40 PM
It simply starts removing/erasing the oldest back ups until it has the needed room for the new one.There are more details about TM, but if you've made it this far, you and I both need a break! Hopefully, you already know more about SD than I do, anyway. 
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In my window toolbar - which is customized:
Oh yeah, that thing. I never saw the point of adding something that required moving the mouse and then another step to click it when it already had a simple keyboard shortcut. With a document selected, simply press the space bar and there's your Quick Look. Press it again and it disappears. Or, use the arrow keys to see the next document down/up/sideways/etc. Makes looking at a bunch (sorry for the technical term!) of images very quick. Ya think that may be where the name comes from?
Post by: kimmer on March 27, 2010, 07:41:51 PM
I've decided that I'm not nuts about "Spaces", but I'm undecided on Exposé (which I can't seem to get to work when FF is open). I think I like the new design of the dock and the way it "fans" things out. In fact, I made some new folders with aliases and dumped a bunch of stuff from the dock.
Unfortunately it's all my software registrations and such, so I need to get it back. I'm hoping against hope that everything is on the external in the SD backup; but how do I get it into my current Apple Mail?Fixed. See post 19.
Post by: Xairbusdriver on March 27, 2010, 08:49:52 PM
The actual location of your downloaded mail may be different in Tiger and Leopard, so it might be worth looking around for the folders, also. Mine are at: ~/Library/Mail/. Once there, you'll find several of .plists. Of course, the main /plist would be in the normal Preferences folder.
Hopefully, in the path I described above, you will also find all your mailboxes (actually .mbox files [actually a type of folder]). Inside those will be "Messages" folders containing the actual messages (1234.emix files [seemingly randomly numbered rather than with real names!]). Simply double-clicking those .emix files will cause Mail to open them. The problem being how to figure out which of those computer identified names relate to human time! Perhaps their Created/Modified might be of some help.
I've never been a big user of Exposé, although I have to use it on Judy's MBP because that screen is smaller and she usually has about 15 dozen windows open at the same time!
Actually, I exaggerate, there are probably only ten dozen open at a time, while having at least nine apps running simultaneously, of course. 
Spaces I've never needed. With a 27" monitor and usually less than six apps open at a time, the old cammnd-tab lets me get to any of them with a few key taps.
When I did try Spaces, I tended to always end up with almost the same apps in every 'space!' What's the point?! I'm sure power users find it useful.
Post by: kimmer on March 27, 2010, 11:01:16 PM
Thanks for the help.
Post by: Xairbusdriver on March 29, 2010, 05:06:35 PM
Whatever you dumped/restored, had everything in order and the problem is solved: Always have a good back up, in at least two different versions and places.
But it's good to remember that when mailboxes/messages "disappear" they are almost always still right where they are supposed to be.
Post by: kimmer on March 29, 2010, 06:27:19 PM