Post by: MrsLop on June 10, 2003, 10:46:35 AM
LaserWriter. It came with no instructions for use, no manuals, no floppy or cd for startup. I am limited by my current WebTv that I use now for email and surfing the net. I would like to get started using my mac. I am afraid I will hurt the system if I try to use high speed internet. I cannot download using WebTv. Where can I get hardcopy manuals? What do you suggest for a starting point. I have a good mind but not technical one. I am seriously ill and needed this computer to help me learn and access more information about my illness. Thanks for your help.
Post by: kelly on June 10, 2003, 11:14:29 AM
We'll be more than happy to help.
That's a very old computer.
http://new.lowendmac.com/ppc/6100.shtml
Newer ones can be had for under $100 if you're interested.
Can you see if your Library has a Copy of Macs for Dummies by David Pogue.
Ignore the title. It's a very good book for beginners.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/076...6437911-4384739
http://www.davidpogue.com/
Here's some more information on the 6100.
http://www.erf.net/~brd/mac/6100faq.html
Ask away.
Post by: MrsLop on June 10, 2003, 11:35:52 AM
I was beginning to get discouraged when I didn't get a reply. I am so new that I don't even know what questions to ask. If I could, I would have bought a brand new system with all the bells and whistles. Having been diagnosed with Cancer and paying for all medical costs, drains funds. That's how I wound up with this "old mac."As it is, I just don't know where to begin. My daughters insisted that I needed to go online, as they rarely use the telephone to call and were more likely to keep in touch with via email. Sooo, that's why I got WebTv(now owned by MSN. That is why I know so little about real computers. I don't even have a printer attached to it. Thanks again for the information.
Post by: kelly on June 10, 2003, 12:16:21 PM
I'm not sure how that works.
What do you mean by High Speed internet service?
That machine can connect on Dial Up using an External modem.
Do you have one of those?
Here's an example of a better computer.
G3 All-In-One $195
http://www.baucomcomputers.com/aio.htm
Others.
http://www.baucomcomputers.com/
No problem you not knowing stuff. That's why we're here.
Post by: beacher on June 10, 2003, 12:58:15 PM
aboard!
Post by: MrsLop on June 10, 2003, 12:59:08 PM
Post by: MrsLop on June 10, 2003, 01:08:39 PM
Post by: CyberPet on June 10, 2003, 02:12:32 PM
If you might be able to find out if there's a Mac User Group (also called MUG) you might get a lot more hands-on help from friendly people. They might have hardware you can buy/borrow or software you can buy/borrow to get started.
I know that Apple has had a listing of MUG:s around the world, that could be a good start to look for other people living near you for help.
Good luck and hope you'll soon be able to play with your new toy!
Post by: RHPConsult on June 10, 2003, 02:33:08 PM
Check your e-mail, please.
RHPConsult
Post by: MrsLop on June 10, 2003, 03:43:48 PM
Post by: Gary S on June 10, 2003, 04:56:31 PM
Remember there are no stupid questions.
I wish I knew the answer to the high speed question on Web TV but i don't.
Someone will though.
Post by: MrsLop on June 10, 2003, 05:25:12 PM
Post by: CyberPet on June 10, 2003, 07:09:09 PM
http://www.apple.com/usergroups/find/
Post by: SnowWitch on June 10, 2003, 08:05:28 PM
Post by: iGuy on June 10, 2003, 09:47:25 PM
Good Luck,
Ryan
Post by: MrsLop on June 10, 2003, 10:28:07 PM
Trish, I am leaning toward MSN at this point.
WebTV costs $ 24.95 a month! I don't know how you got such a good price. Ryan, I have Cancer, the cost of medical care, prescriptions and treatment have depleted my funds. I got the news today, my husband told me that our medical costs through his empoyer will increase across the board as of July 1st. I cannot afford to do much more. I thank God that I have what little I do. I know that you probably think that the "old mac" should be ditched for a newer model and you are probably right. Given our current financial circumstances, buying a computer is out of the question. Right now, if I can get this computer up and running, I might be able to get the answers and information I need to help me get well. I need all the positive energy for my health. I hope I have not forgotten any individual who has tried to help, if I have, I assure you it is unintentional.
Post by: neokm on June 11, 2003, 02:06:04 AM
http://www.kan.org/6100 can provide answers to just about any questions you may have on 6100's - I think steven@kan.org earned his doctoral degreee on the 6100's
It would pay you to print out just about every topic he's posted if you plan on keeping it - - - in particular his first hand experience on upgrade possibilities.
As Kelly knows, I am running two 6100's which I brought up to a G3 level and can handle just about anything on the net - (of course it helps if you're retired and have time for the rather slow download speeds - best I can get from my telephone service is 31200 bps with a 56k modem).
After your "kan.org excursion" go to http://www.technowarehousellc.com if you're interested in jazzing it up fro 60 to 300MHz for about $75 -
I have a lot of old parts laying around that I picked up on ebay - send me an email if you have a particular need.
Wishing you the best.
Mike
I noticed that 'techno' has only one 6100 processor upgrade currently in stock. They do acquire both Sonnett and NewerTech parts so keep in touch with this site - Between the two - I think NewerTech has it all over Sonnett - although they went out of business a few years ago. Plenty of processors still available - ebay is also a good source.
Wishing you the best, again -
Mike
Post by: MamaMoose on June 11, 2003, 02:44:04 AM
Welcome to TechSurvivors which really is a caring community of Macers. Unfortunately, I cannot help much with your 6100 as it has been many moons since I used one. However, I am a veteran of two "cancer wars" (not myself but my late wives) plus a research background in oncology especially bone marrow disease and would be happy to help you browse the internet for the various oncology sites (In addition I am married to an oncology resaerch nurse who is up-to-date on the latest research protocols).
If you can afford it, I would suggest buying a used Mac G3, G4, or an iMac as this will allow you to run OS X which that will facilitate your use of the computer. You don't have to be an expert as TS is available 24/7 and we give service with a smile. also look for a Mac User Group in your area and I am sure you will all sorts of Mac help there.
MamaMoose
MamaMoose
Post by: Al on June 11, 2003, 05:48:26 AM
I know your concerns with the disease you have and think that even with the Mac you have you can get things that you want to accomplish done with what you have. It (your Mac) will be slow, but information will still be accessible to you.
As Mike stated that he has a lot of stuff around for that Mac, so do I. Help is near by.
Dial up internet access will be your best affordable bet, but if broadband is what you want, your Mac does have that capability. it will need an adapter to convert the ethernet port from AAUI to RJ45. Your Mac may not have a built in modem and if it does it will have what they call a Geoport modem. Not the best, but will work. An external modem would be best though. Can you please tell us if you already have a modem or not? And if so, if it is the one built in or an external one? If an external one, what kind is it?
Also, if you know, how much memory does your 6100 have?
Wishing you the best in your quest for answers and a full recovery.
Post by: SnowWitch on June 11, 2003, 06:03:14 AM
..Good luck with your research and your illness....trish
Post by: Gregg on June 11, 2003, 07:45:53 AM
Post by: pendragon on June 11, 2003, 08:24:32 AM
to TechSurvivors.Only rarely is a problem not resolved, none of us were born knowing this stuff, and it is for the likes of you that we exist. So ask away, kick off your shoes, and be at home.
Oh yeah, if you see the abbreviation BIOB, it stands for Blame It On Bernie. Bernie is a loveable old chap who has been designated the source of all problems. And this is not at all limited to computer problems. So if you run out of printer ink, burn the roast, or even if your car doesn't start, BIOB!
Harv
Post by: MrsLop on June 11, 2003, 08:25:04 AM
Thanks to RHPConsult, I now have everything connected. I found the specs for my 6100/60AV at The Apple Museum:
Ports: Ethernet: (1) AAUI 15
Modem: N/A
I don't know what any of this means; I am simply copying the information, in response to some board members questions. I have another question which I will post later.
God Bless and
Oops: I forgot to add:
Memory:
RAM Type: 72 pin SIMM
RAM on Motherboard: 8 MB
Minimum RAM: 4 MB
Maximum RAM: 72 MB
Post by: kelly on June 11, 2003, 08:41:43 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...&category=25436
Do you know if you already have one?
If not. A Little Bird said one is available for you.
This will allow a Cable/DSL Ethernet hook up to your computer.
About the RAM.
Have you started up the machine yet?
When you do.
"To find out information about a Macintosh, go to the Apple menu in the upper-left corner of the screen. The first option should say "About this Macintosh" or "About this Computer".
At the About screen, you can find the System Software or Mac OS version as well as the amount of Built-in Memory."
http://ict.cas.psu.edu/training/howto/macs...mputerinfo.html
Post by: MrsLop on June 11, 2003, 09:05:49 AM
Dear All: It seems I will have two physical problems: 1) Cancer; 2) Insanity - if I can't get this "old Mac" to function. I finally got the Printer plugged into the correct port? The lights all flashed and I was feeling quite proud of myself. Now, understand, you are dealing with a novice, here. The 320 Laserwiter has no buttons to manually print anything. It connects directly to the Processor. I cannot find any information on how to get it to print. The previous owner has icons? set up on the screen. I figured out how to open some of them. Something called Systems Alias, has Extensions, so I went into it looking for my Printer, and it is now telling me that the original Document could no be found for the 320 Laserwriter. Heavy Sigh.
Any one have any idea what I did wrong? The printer seems ready to Print, its the System information that is holding me up.
Post by: kelly on June 11, 2003, 09:25:03 AM
You need to use the Chooser.
Go here.
http://ls.berkeley.edu/lscr/support/faq/mac/chooser/
Post by: MrsLop on June 11, 2003, 09:49:09 AM
I went to the site, I did the Apple Menu selection for Chooser, I chose the 320 (had to find it first as it doesn't appear as a 320 selection, per se, and guess what - I got a Message: You have changed your current Printer. Please choose Page Set-Up... in all the open Applications. OK? I am now trying to understand where this Page Set Up is. I do not want to click OK, until I know what I'm supposed to do with this. Yikes! Where is the Page Set-Up located?
Post by: MrsLop on June 11, 2003, 11:37:31 AM
1- I do not have an adapter. I was very blessed that all the wiring I needed was supplied - except for the adapter. I still don't know what a modem is.
2- About this Mac:
Built in Memory..16,384K
Total:...........32768K
Systems Software..4850K
..................5146K
Systems Software..7.5.3
System 7.5 Update 2.0
Post by: Mrious_be on June 11, 2003, 11:50:05 AM
It seems lots have been said already (didn't even checked all replies) about the Mac you have now.
So, i can only add that you bought a good computer and that you... are on Happy Grounds here for any question you might have
Post by: george on June 11, 2003, 12:23:57 PM
as I am a fairly new member to TS may I extend to you a warm welcome to TS, you and I have one thing in common and it ain't computers.
I can't wait till your printer spits out it's first page, with the help of TS it surely will.
George.
Post by: MrsLop on June 11, 2003, 12:45:14 PM
My friend, it is a done deal! My Printer just printed its' first page.
I am amazed.
Post by: MrsLop on June 11, 2003, 12:51:01 PM
Wish me well. I am off to my first Radiation Treatment. For the next six weeks, five days a week, I will be getting zapped. I understand from some who have gone before me, that Radiation makes you quite tired. With that in mind, I will try to catch up with you all later, I hope.
Post by: Gregg on June 11, 2003, 12:54:12 PM
QUOTE(MrsLop @ Jun 11 2003, 10:37 AM)
I still don't know what a modem is.
A modem is a device that connects your computer to a telephone line. Modulator-demodulator. I think.
Some modems (modi?) are external, and connected to the computer with standard telephone cable/wire/cord (you pick the term you like). Some are internal, and you can't see 'em, or there connectors. They "plug in" to a "slot" somewhere. Do you have Apple System Profiler in your Apple Menu? I think that will list a bunch of stuff that might include an internal modem, if present.
I'm not at my Mac now, and can't verify that, so if any of the above is wrong, someone with a better memory or who is sitting at a Mac can correct me. I just don't get the chance to come to TS very often at home and am forced to do it before work, or at lunch. At home I'm on dial-up (modem) but at work, we have DSL. That makes a difference.
Good luck! (I was still writing when you posted.)
Post by: neokm on June 11, 2003, 02:09:03 PM
By any chance is the person who gave you this system an acquaintance of yours and locally available?? Are all periperals (printer, modem) part of the original package given you or did they come from differant sources??
You will want to arrow over to your blinking apple icon and scroll to 'chooser' then release the mouse button. If you do not see your current printer listed in the menu, you are missing the 'print driver' not being on line for downloads could be a problem at this time. It is still available through a site (I can't locate in my memory bank at the present but as macdrivermuseum.com - or something like that). I can get back to you if you need to know.
I would suggest that you try not to master too many functions at the same time unless you are a voluminous note taker - - - get on-line first to master downloads to your desktop. They can reside there for the moment and you can refer to them without printed hardcopies. I have a feeling you will run the risk the dreaded 'screen freezes' with insufficient ram. You mentioned, and I can verify that the 6100 was produced with 8 mb of ram on the motherboard. You have extra ram slots that enable you to add 8, 16, 32 simms in 'pairs' of two. Removing the case is a simple procedure - if for now other reason than to see what you have inside.
Before doing so - go back to the apple menu icon and lick on 'abouth this computer' or if you have a 'system profiler' click on it. - In short, you really have to become familiar with what it is you have so we can help you identify what it is you will need to do to achieve your described needs and desires are.
You can do this - the cover has two tabs on the top rear. With your thumbs on the tab locate them towards the ends of the slots - grasp behind and under the rear of the top cover - try pushing the lower case portion forward at the same time to relieve the pressure - then, try to lift the tabs slightly to unlock them. After doing so, tilt the cover upwards and towards you at the same time - Volla! (You can refer to wwwkan.org to help you identify what it is you are looking at.) E-mail me with any further questions if you think I can help more.
Mike
Post by: CyberPet on June 11, 2003, 05:59:16 PM
My thoughts will be with you... it's not a fun thing you're going through, but I hope the Mac thing is making up for some of it.
Post by: MrsLop on June 11, 2003, 07:59:16 PM
Thank you for your kind words. I clicked on your link to MUGS, at Apple. It is so tiresome getting around their site. I found several listings in my area, one of them turned out to be advertising for computers and parts.
There are two that interest me though, and I think I will be visiting one Monday evening.
I was very tired today after treatment. I had to get some rest. I am taking it one day at a time.
Post by: MrsLop on June 11, 2003, 08:10:13 PM
After my first Radiation Treatment, I am too tired to do much. I think I shall take your advice and not try to learn/do too much at once.
I am very grateful to you for all the time and effort you put into your last post. P.S No the person was not a friend. She was a student who left the country to return to her home overseas.
What I received:
Processor 6100/60AV,Monitor 14",Apple Keyboard II,Mouse,LaserWriter 320,all cables/wires for the above. There is an Ethernet Port and another plugin openning for something that looks like a telephon handset I was up at 7AM looking closely and writing and sketching all the opennings on the back of the processor.
Post by: MrsLop on June 12, 2003, 09:33:38 PM
Good Evening All,I just returned from Choir Practice and thought I would take a few minutes to bring you up to date. I took the cover off my computer and took notes about what devices I have. Well, I had to unplug everything in order to do so. By mere chance, the PRAM Battery died. When I put it all back together and started up the computer the Monitor showed me a Black Screen. Well, after Radiation Treatment I had my husband drive me to Radio Shack to buy another PRAM Battery. IBack home again: followed a link that a TS member had supplied (directions on Battery ID ,Removal and Replacement) and guess what happened - I got another Black Screen this time with a one to two second glimpse of my normal screen. After rturning the Monitor on and off several times, I tried securing the Monitor plug, disconnect. reconnect, several times.
At last, I tried adjusting the settings for Brightness and Contrast and I got my "normal" screen back. I cannot tell you what a trauma today was for me. I thought I had broken something important. My hands were shaking and I was full of fears. All's well, that ends well. I can now begin to take notes on what I need to get my Computer connected to the internet so that I can download and print out all the information I need on Cancer Treatments
etc.. Thanks to all of you who propped me up when I fell down today, and assuaged all my fears with your encouraging words and great links and advice.
Post by: MrsLop on June 14, 2003, 08:05:44 AM
Connectix RAM Doubler Installed Intalling...This message came up on the screen, its been there but I never paid attention to it - it goes so quickly.
Is this a good thing? What does it mean?
Post by: kelly on June 14, 2003, 09:54:07 AM
http://www.macworld.com/1999/08/features/s...argeyoursystem/
The previous owner must have installed it.
It's a good thing.
Post by: David on June 14, 2003, 09:55:10 AM
... It is Saturday afternoon here in the UK and I'm watching Cricket on TV.
Cricket is an English sport which all of our Colonies have adopted (except America ... hmmmmph!) and which they now (all) consistently beat us at with liberated abandonment!
The benefit of Cricket is that, because it is so slooooow, I can "surf" at the same time and not miss any of the Aaaaaaaction (!).
Anyway, as another Newbie, may I also WELCOME you here*?
Although the (other) contributors are far more knowledgeable than I am, I can confidently offer one piece of re-assurance -
"Your Mac may be a computer but, at least, it's friendly!
It isn't a 'PC' (sic) and you aren't committed to contribute to Mr. Gates' already over-inflated bank-balance."
Your Mac will let you be intuitive without causing problems. Don't fear it!
You have more-than-enough to be concerned with at the moment.
Best Wishes
David L.
*I tried to include the Welcome gizmo here.
Post by: danf63 on June 14, 2003, 10:10:10 AM
It seems to me that you are doing remarkably well with your "old mac". You've made it print, you've replaced the battery... You may not realize it yet, but you seem to have a knack for this. Keep up the good work!
Dan
Post by: MrsLop on June 14, 2003, 11:55:04 AM
I have had to log in three times since I returned to the Board. What's up with that?
I went to a few of the links last night that you provided. I especially liked the one about Low End Macs. It gives me something to aspire to!
On a different link, I found RAM info. There was if I recall:
EDO, SIMMS, Parity.
The EDO is very inexpensive compared to SIMMS (F??) don't recall the designated initials.
Apparently. This is a big thing with some TS members, telling me I need more RAM space for my computer. I guess it makes a big difference in download time?
What type of RAM should I be looking at? SIMMS as it is original to my Mac?
The type/# of pins on my board are, 72.
According to kan.org, removing and installing new RAM is the easiest thing I will ever do, besides maybe, removing the cover and replacing the PRAM Battery.
Should I even bother or would the money be better put towards a "newer" Computer?
Thanks in advance, for your help.
Post by: MrsLop on June 14, 2003, 12:20:08 PM
Thank you both for the welcome.
Dan,
I have had about five days of total immersion into all things Mac related. I have always been "Mrs Fixit" around my home, out of necessity not choice. Perhaps that has helped with the hands on things I need to do to get my System connected to the Internet. TS members have helped me to understand what my particular system needs, why it needs it, and what to do about it.
This can be a very expensive pastime I gather. I resisted all things computer for a very long time. It has taken life threatening illness to prod me out of my cave into this modern age so that I might learn more about my illness and help myself recover and get well.
It is both exhilirating and challenging and definitely an adventure.
If I had to describe myself, I am more like Tolkiens' characters a real Hobbit.
Stay tuned for "The Adventures of MrsLop in Mac Land"
Post by: kelly on June 14, 2003, 12:33:26 PM
64MB (16x32) 72 Pin SIMM 60ns 2K Refresh $17.95
http://eshop.macsales.com/Catalog_Item.cfm...tem=OWC72PS64MB
Your kind of computer needs to have these installed in pairs.
So you would need two.
This would be the best thing you could do for that machine.
Upgrade an old machine or get a newer one is always a conundrum.
Since you're not on line yet.
Sales: 800.275.4576
http://eshop.macsales.com/Service/Index.cfm
Post by: MrsLop on June 14, 2003, 12:50:21 PM
Have you used this supplier and are they reliable?
Thanks.
Post by: MrsLop on June 14, 2003, 01:40:45 PM
? Does anyone know why my old Mac has a black outline around the perimeter. I only have a 14" monitor to begin with and this outline takes up about an inch of space total.
Can I change it or am I stuck with it?
Thanks.
Post by: RHPConsult on June 14, 2003, 02:20:00 PM
That black border . . . if it's uniform . . . is not uncommon in monitors that use a cathode ray tube (CRT) similar to your TV. If the picture is clear, doesn't flicker, and seems to carry accurate colors, I'd ignore the border. One seldom gets (in a CRT) a picture of the size in inches proclaimed in the ads.
Kelly's reference is to a very reliable merchant. Have no fear.
It's been no less than fascinating to see how fast you have mastered a number of the elements of becoming a Mac-ster. You've done very well, because you appear to be not only a quick observer, but your ability and willingness to engage this TS Gang is remarkable and reassuring.
We all, as has already been said, wish you well in your unfolding medical procedures, while we continue do what we can to get you and your 6100 zipping along - - at it's speed limit!
Your queries have turned out a lot of our great folks in a delightful display of interest, enthusiasm, and helpfulness . . . spanning at least two continents.
I'm working in Honolulu this coming week, so Al and I will have breakfast together on Wednesday, and you can be sure you will be on our agenda.
Best wishes.
RHP
Post by: MrsLop on June 14, 2003, 02:48:16 PM
I only wish I could be out basking in a tropical paradise - home of the original Charlie Chan and his innumerable children.
But, I digress ( I am a follower of most all mysteries, mostly old),
I am happy that you arrived safely in Honolulu.
I am eager to learn more about this RAM thing. It seems that if I wish to download and avoid a possible computer "freeze", I should buy more memory. It seems like a goal I can reach.
I forgot that you could find a way via internet to communicate with the board, no matter where you were. Do you have a notebook?
I have the weekend off from Radiation - but Monday through Friday I get to do the whole thing all over again.
I am also trying to prepare for the 8th Grade Graduation Mass - I sing in the Choir, the Chant for the "Ave Maria" and other pieces. It is challenging. My husband has been so busy with the preparations, as it is his class that is graduating.
Happy Fathers Day to you in advance. Please tell Al I said "Aloha" and I look forward to seeing your Posts.
Thank you for your many kindnesses on my behalf. The TS members have really been welcoming. Everyone has shared their experience, strength and hope with me. I am richly blessed.
Don't forget to take pictures!
Sincerely,
Myrna
Post by: kelly on June 14, 2003, 03:35:40 PM
http://www.macinstruct.com/tutorials/memory/ram.html
http://www.macinstruct.com/tutorials/index.html
That on line Store is about the best there is.
Post by: MrsLop on June 14, 2003, 03:59:24 PM
Kelly,What a great link! You have done it again. So it looks like SIMMS for my old Mac.
I will try to get some
more memory as one of my first computer supplies priorities.
I am now making a list of all I need.
It is so exciting for me and I can't wait to get started.
Thank you so much for your continued help.
Post by: MrsLop on June 14, 2003, 04:11:11 PM
I just thought you might like to know the following:
I went to the Apple website PRIOR to TS.
I didn't know if there was a charge for using their site. I looked everywhere for information concerning any fees. (You all know my situation, if you have been following the threads). Finally, I used the "contact us" to send a query about fees.
The Searchmaster, replied with:
No fee for ID, No fee for discussion, Mac is pay for play.
Well, it just kind of left me cold...if you know what I mean. No warm fuzzies there!
Post by: Highmac on June 14, 2003, 04:51:28 PM
Greetings from old England.... You've already discovered what a wonderfully friendly and helpful bunch the folks on TS are. Let me just add my good wishes from the other side of the pond. Oh, and I'm sure you've already been told this but "there is no such thing as a stupid question", so ask away!
(Afraid I do much more asking than answering...
)
Post by: kelly on June 14, 2003, 05:14:53 PM
If you do decide to buy RAM.
I recommend you buy those exact ones from that exact place.
Apple has AppleCare. It goes with a new computer for a certain period of time.
Then you can get extensions for a fee.
It's another way for them to make money and stay in business.
You have no need for it.
Their Knowledge Base is free to search.
http://kbase.info.apple.com/index.jsp
http://www.apple.com/find/sitemap.html
They really are pretty nice In My Opinion.
At least as nice as any other multi-billion dollar company.
Post by: krissel on June 14, 2003, 11:54:50 PM
Been following your entrance into the world of Macs are you are doing just fine.
One little comment about your screen and the black border you see. If it is only an eighth to a quarter of an inch wide all the way around then it may just be the natural border on all CRTs as RHP said. If it is more than that you may be able to enlarge the image by fiddling with any buttons you might have on the monitor. Older monitors don't have all the geometry settings that the newer ones have but since you already found the contrast and brightness buttons take a look and see if there is another one that may expand the picture. It may say "zoom" or similar or maybe nothing at all. Give it a try.
Post by: MrsLop on June 15, 2003, 05:34:33 AM
HIGHMAC, kelly and krissel,
Thank you for yesterday's replies.
I am off to sing with my Choir this morning. My husband's 8th Grade class is Graduating today. Every year my choir sings at their Graduation Mass.
Yesterday, I was trying to sing the chant like "Ave Maria" and master that. Since coming to the TS Forum, I fell behind in my music for todays Graduation Program. I hope the Angels sing with us today, as it is not easy.
Please stay tuned for the continuing " The Adventures of Mrs Lop in Mac Land." I fully intend to expand my RAM,
AND upgrade to a different version of Mac.
Of course, kelly et al have provided the links for me to perform these feats. I need to connect the "old" Mac to an ISP and it seems I have too old a version to get service for it. One of my TS friends did a little research for me and the MSN One Plan does not support my "old" Mac.
Since I already have WebTV/MSN I thought that I could get the discount:
No new version = no discount, for he One Plan
I hope to join you all later on. Prayers and good thoughts cheerfully accepted.
Joyfully,
Post by: MrsLop on June 16, 2003, 06:29:32 AM
In the front of the panel to my Processor there is a CD drawer and beside it is an opening Floppy Disks.
Some of you may remember that I removed the cover to take down whatever information was printed on the inside of my Processor. So, I found out what they are, but not what they do.
What are they used for?
Post by: MrsLop on June 17, 2003, 08:34:38 PM
It has been a very exciting week, and I owe a great deal to you TS members for walking me through my entre to the world according to mac.
and computers.
Learning through the Tutorials available is not going as quickly for me. I'll keep trying though. I am hopeful.
kelly has given me so many links in the past week. I have been using them to research all day.
Post by: krissel on June 17, 2003, 09:52:14 PM
Post by: MrsLop on June 17, 2003, 10:00:19 PM
No. I haven't received my books yet. The Tutorial that I was reading did not include Basic Parts of the Computer. Ironic isn't it?
I own a CD player so I know that it takes CDs. I just don't know what kind I am supposed to use. In snooping around some of the things that already exist in the System, I get a message on the screen that it is missing.
By the way,
for noticing that the ?'s weren't answered.
Post by: kelly on June 17, 2003, 10:11:07 PM
http://www.pcwebopedia.com/TERM/f/floppy_disk.html
http://www.pcwebopedia.com/TERM/C/CD_ROM.html
http://www.pcwebopedia.com/
This place covers PCs. But many of the ideas apply to macs.
About PCs. macs are Personal Computers also of course.
But common usage has made PC only apply to Windows using machines.
http://www.pcguide.com/ref/cd/
http://www.pcguide.com/ref/index.htm
Post by: MrsLop on June 17, 2003, 10:19:38 PM
You startled me! I hadn't seen a post from you for a few hours. I was about to organize a search party.
Thanks for the links.
I will definitely check them out. Tomorrow is another day and I will be more alert.
Good Night.
Post by: Gregg on June 18, 2003, 07:49:45 AM
The floppy drive is for those small, hard cased disks, which took over for the larger, literally floppy skinny ones awhile back. Floppy disks are becoming dinosaurs now.
Hope that was what you were looking for.
Post by: MrsLop on June 18, 2003, 08:55:29 AM
Morning Gregg,That is exactly what I needed.
If I understand you correctly, even though I have a CD Player and a Floppy, I need the programs to use the CD Player. Could the programs already be in my computer? If so where?
Post by: RobW on June 18, 2003, 09:13:57 AM
Depending on the OS (Operating System) you are using, the music CD player is probably in the applications folder. It may also have an "alias" under the Apple Menu. One other way to find out is to put a music CD in there and when the icon appears, double click on it and see if the CD opens and starts to play.
As others have told you before, don't be afraid to try stuff. The easiest way to learn is to "play", experiment, etc. Short of doing things like hitting it with a hammer, pouring coffee in the CPU box, or letting Bernie in your home
--there are few things that can happen that can't be easily fixed. I think at one time or another all of those things have shown up in posts here at TS. 
Remember, don't be scared of your Mac--it's there to help you--not to rule you!
Post by: MrsLop on June 18, 2003, 09:32:59 AM
We did it! I found it under the Apple Menu and put in a CD I could see the tracking counter moving, but no sound was coming out even though I turned the volume up.
I went to Monitor and adjusted the sound and voila it's playing my tunes.
Do you happen to know if I have to keep adjusting the settings on the Monitor? I recently had to remove the cover and replace the PRAM Battery - 'cause it died. I thought I had killed it. Just coincidence, so I was told. Quite the trauma. Now that I have replaced the PRAM Battery, do you think it will "remember" my settings?
Thanks Again.
Post by: RobW on June 18, 2003, 10:45:02 AM
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Post by: MrsLop on June 18, 2003, 10:57:20 AM
I neglected to ask some important questions:
How do you change CD's?
I can't eject the one that has already played.
How do you turn it off?
Do I need to go back into the Apple Menu to do anything when I have finished listening to my tunes?
Post by: kelly on June 18, 2003, 11:05:44 AM
Drag the CD to the Trash Icon.
This will eject it. PC people make fun of this method.
Post by: MrsLop on June 18, 2003, 11:26:08 AM
Ahhh, few things in life are as predictable as your having answers to my questions....
I played with all the click on things and found the one that ejected he CD.
Now, when I chose the Apple CD Player from the Apple Menu a little icon popped onto the screen.
What's it do?
Also, is this an Application or a File?
If an application, can I go into the same Menu from whence it came and do any clicks there?
Is the drag icon and trash method the only way to quit the program? Will it be totally gone using this method?
Post by: kelly on June 18, 2003, 11:47:44 AM
it will help a lot when you get your books.
As far as I know some very good ones are headed your way.
"A liitle Icon popped onto the screen."
I'm guessing that's the Apple CD Player Icon. I don't know.
Whenever you're in an Application.
You can go to the Apple Menu and Choose "About This ..."
and see what it is and what version it is.
An Application is like a Verb. it does things.
A File is like a Noun. It's a computer object.
Dragging a CD to Trash doesn't Quit an Application it just ejects CDs.
When you drag Files to the Trash they're on their way out.
They're gone when you Empty the Trash.
Too bad I can't see what you're looking at.
We'll just have to do the best we can.
Post by: MrsLop on June 18, 2003, 12:27:36 PM
FYI the Apple CD Player that I have is v 2.0.
When I did the click on
Apple Menu a CD Player appears. The click on that I needed to eject was the last one before the graphic for the slot - where the CD is inserted.
I went back into the Menu
and read the About etc..
all it did was run the credits for people who "made" the Player.
After I ejected the CD, I simply did a click on the grey bar and clicked again and it vanished - along with its' icon.
I just checked to see if it was still there, (I am getting Paranoid) and that I didn't send it off to CD Player Heaven, and it remains a functioning Application.
By the way, they were good analogies: verb and noun. I'll remember those.
Post by: Gregg on June 18, 2003, 12:55:16 PM
Now, you may not be working with enough different programs yet for this to become a problem. But, eventually, the computer may refuse to activate another program and a message will advise you to Quit other programs to free up X amount of RAM. To see what programs are active, click on the little figure in the upper right corner of your menu bar. A list will pull down of all the active programs. The "Finder" will always be active, it allows you to see and work with everything else.
If you move your cursor down the list and release the mouse button, the highlighted program becomes active. You can then go the the File menu and select Quit, freeing up some RAM.
I hope that was a help, and not something you've already learned. You're picking this up so quickly, I might be behind the curve.
Post by: MrsLop on June 18, 2003, 01:55:36 PM
You are one of my best sources for complete explanations.
You tell me the why of an action or thing, as well as the how?
I like that about you.
I trust that you had your lunch and that your replies to my musings
have not prevented this.
I did take the online Tutorial RAM 101 that kelly suppied the link to. It was very good.
I am looking forward to the arrival of books, supplied by still another TS member, which I'm sure will hold the answers to some of my questions.
Thanks again for the wonderful explanation.
Post by: David on June 18, 2003, 05:04:05 PM
I don't know what other TSers will think of this suggestion but I found just ONE particular book to be extremely useful for quick reference and general guidance.
I have a copy available for you if you wish - albeit I'll have to post it from the U.K. so, it may take a few days.
The copy I have passed its "use by" date when the G4 was introduced.
Perhaps some others here might comment on whether or not
"The Little Mac Book" by Robin Williams (no, not him, a female version!)
would be of any use to you?
Either way, it's available if you want it.
Regards
David L.
Post by: RHPConsult on June 18, 2003, 05:21:43 PM
I believe that another of Mrs.Lop's new best friends has anticipated the merits of William's little book for her and it's already on its way . . . o'er a few hundred miles of land, rather than through theair over the North Atlantic.
You are kind to offer to participate, however.
Post by: MrsLop on June 18, 2003, 09:03:53 PM
In todays post I received
a box filled with CD's
and books:
1- The Mac Is Not A Typewriter
Author: Robin Williams
2- Mac secrets
Authors: David Pogue & Joseph Schorr
3- The Macintosh Bible
7th Edition
Author: Sharon Zardetto Aker
The Cd's
Macworld Mac Secrets 5th Edition
MacO.S.7.6, OS 8,OS 8.5,OS 8.6.
I was so excited that I went from one to the other, to the next and back again!
The CD's have me a bit concerned. I don't know how to use them yet.
I am looking forward to working with you - all my frinds at TS on getting my "newer" Mac, getting it Upgraded and Online.
In Joyful Anticipation of All the Good Things to Come -
Post by: MrsLop on June 18, 2003, 09:21:30 PM
Thank you so much for your kind offer.
Please read my "Good Evening All" post.
I love to read. It has been some time since I have had read for meaning.
Not since my college days
have I had such technical reading to do. It was Physics, I believe. I worked so hard for that course and I got an A!
And that was with four small children who seemed to be permanently attached to my left leg.
Now, I am not so sure that the brain will cooperate and function as well.
I seem to have lost confidence in my abiities.
I have always wanted to travel to England - among other places. I became interested in the Victorian Era and have travel books that have wonderful pictures of all the places of interest.
Alas, I have never been there.
One of my nephews moved from New York to Wimbledon,UK and loves it.
I hope that you will stop by often to see how I am progressing and to say "Hello."
Post by: krissel on June 18, 2003, 10:33:21 PM
(I assume you were sleeping when I wrote this...
)Just wanted to tell you that the Mac OS CDs with the numbers are probably something you will put aside for now. They are versions of the operating system, of which you now are running 7.5.2, I think. The Mac that is on its way will have a later version on it, either 8.6 or possibly 9. In any case the 8.6 would be the one to keep very safe as it is the latest of the bunch you have.
The CDs would be needed if ever you have a problem whereby you can't start up the machine from the system that is already installed on the computer's hard drive. The CD has a system on it that will allow the machine to start up. It's very handy for troubleshooting. In addition, should anything major ever occur to the installed system, you can reinstall it from the CD. Sort of like putting a new carburetor in a car (though today, electronics have replaced that too). It allows the applications and files to interact and makes the whole thing work together as efficently as possible.
I know this sounds so daunting to try to understand all at once so just take it slow and read the basics in the books. Pretty soon it will all begin to make sense.
Post by: Bernie on June 18, 2003, 10:43:32 PM
It's on the way
http://www.macintoshos.com/macintosh.museu...owermacs.f.html
Post by: MrsLop on June 18, 2003, 11:00:26 PM
I wondered where you had been. Busy posting to other topics?
I assume you have read my other posts.
No, sleep is not going to come easily tonight.
After all, it's not often I celebrate Christmas in June.
I have been reading and trying to understand the concept of how to upgrade from the "old" mac System 7.5.3 Revision 2.
What do you think about my using the "old" mac to practice on upgrading to say the 8.6? Will I lose all the files, folders and icons, currently showing. Also, do I need to install ALL of these to get to the latest version - the 8.6?
I don't know if I have enough memory to do this.
But , if I could it would give me the confidence needed to do this again when the 4400 / 200 arrives.
Oh, BTW, I posted to the other Topic that we were discussing last night: Help I Can't Post.. MSN giving me less service for the same price. I didn't remember some of the specifics until later. By then you had vanished and so had Dreambird.
Great hearing from you again!
Post by: Bernie on June 18, 2003, 11:03:14 PM
Post by: MrsLop on June 18, 2003, 11:12:01 PM
How was your day? I
heard that you have been
a very busy man.
I was very busy trying to
read all my new books!
They arrived today and I
wasted no time getting to
work.
Did you say it's on the
way? I have to go check
email! Yikes, that was
fast!
I'll be right back!
Get your rest Bernie-
you deserve a break!
Post by: Bernie on June 19, 2003, 08:20:25 AM
Anyway.
Post by: beacher on June 19, 2003, 12:46:28 PM
), despite all the mischief you've caused over the years (what other web site has "BIOB"?) ! Also, congrats on your 4000th post!MrsLop, have you looked at the number of views that this post has garnered? I don't EVER remember seeing anything like this! Obviously, a lot of people are keeping an eye on you, and your progress in your new "endeavor"! Keep this up, and you're going to be offering advice instead of soliciting it. . .We're going to have to grant you an honorary "professorship". . .Who knows where this road will take you? I hope that you're enjoying this as much as we are, and I thank you for the feeling of warmth that this experience is giving me, since having you join us. I don't know if what I meant is coming through, because I always look forward to checking into TS, each day, but THIS really has been something extraodinary, and it wouldn't have happened without YOU (and Bernie). . .
Post by: MrsLop on June 19, 2003, 05:50:02 PM
Now, you wouldn't want to go and make me cry, would you? I'm just a sentimental fool, and I cry when I'm happy or sad.
I have as your village elder stated "been adopted."
I have lived in a quasi self imposed imprisonment due to the Chemotherapy Treatments I received. I had to stay out of crowds, away from children, to avoid catching germs. A cold germ could have killed me. Chemotherapy destroys good cells, as well as Cancer Cells
The good news is the Chemotherapy is over and I can do all the going out that I want.
Since coming to TS, I have been overwhelmed by the welcome that I have received. The generosity of spirit, kindness, all manner of help, including gifts have all been so utterly fantastic!
I am ever humbled by this board and very grateful!
Post by: Bernie on June 19, 2003, 10:46:54 PM
You keeping an eye on me
You some kind of Mac 
Yeah I know BIOB
Post by: RHPConsult on June 19, 2003, 11:06:47 PM
(MrsLop, that's translated as I Agree With . . . whomever)
I'm suggesting that BIOB should have a companion acronym for our SoCalif Pal . . .
How 'bout COBTGID?
Translation: Count On Bernie To Get It Done!
Sounds good to me.
Another interesting milestone: MrsLop joined TS on June 10 . . . via WebTV, no less. Her post-count now exceeds 112!
That's gotta be a record and, let's hope, serves as a useful model for all you lurkers out there. Come in and stay awhile
Post by: krissel on June 19, 2003, 11:31:26 PM
Been busy myself lately so haven't posted as much as I'd like. In fact this will be quick...
Your idea of practicing on the older machine is excellent. If you can keep that one running as well as the new one you can practice all kinds of things on it knowing you aren't going to mess up the "good one".
You will also be able to compare the speed of the new to the old and see how different machines respond. When the time comes to practice an upgrade/install on the old machine let us know and we'll walk you through it.There are three wasy to upgrade. One is to wipe everything off the drive and start fresh, the second is to do a "clean install"of the system only and the third is to just upgrade the basic system leaving everything else untouched. We'll explain this more when you are ready to try it.
In the meanwhile, read and rest.
Post by: Bernie on June 20, 2003, 09:04:26 AM
Well sometimes anyway.
Mrs. Lop. I forgot that the morning before work. I transfered a 4 gig ATA drive into the 4400 which had Os 8.6 . The original 2gig drive had Os 9.1
Silly me.
Post by: MrsLop on June 20, 2003, 09:53:54 AM
FYI
They have changed my Radiation Treatment times to mornings, so, unfortunately I am unable to be at TS or answer email until late morning.
It is alright Bernie, when I started up the Computer it told me that the Version I was using was 8.6. I surmised from the screen that that's what was loaded.
I have been up since 5AM
trying to print out the message you left on the screen.
I am trying to figure out what the problem is.
Have a wonderful day!