Post by: iGuy on January 11, 2011, 07:14:25 PM
He asked me if it was possible to run system 9.1 on a separate partition. Is that possible on an Intel Mac?
Post by: jcarter on January 11, 2011, 07:21:00 PM
Jane
Post by: Texas Mac Man on January 11, 2011, 07:42:48 PM
SheepShaver Brings Classic Mac OS to Intel Macs and Leopard
http://lowendmac.com/mac2win/08m2w/sheepsh...r-mac-os-x.html
Post by: jcarter on January 11, 2011, 08:07:04 PM
Thank you for that link!
Jane
Post by: iGuy on January 11, 2011, 09:58:43 PM
Thanks for the link.
Post by: gunug on January 12, 2011, 08:01:06 AM
Post by: jcarter on January 12, 2011, 08:06:58 AM
Though I would love to have 9 for my old software stuff.
Post by: neokm on January 14, 2011, 07:04:11 PM
QUOTE(iGuy @ Jan 12 2011, 01:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My nephew just bought a new Macbook which he recently updated to system 10.6.6. He has been a casual Mac user since he was little due to my influence on my brother, which is his dad. Started out on a Performa which he still has and occasionally starts up for giggles.
He asked me if it was possible to run system 9.1 on a separate partition. Is that possible on an Intel Mac?
He asked me if it was possible to run system 9.1 on a separate partition. Is that possible on an Intel Mac?
Post by: Paddy on January 14, 2011, 09:11:50 PM
QUOTE(gunug @ Jan 12 2011, 09:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd like to find a way of dual-booting my G5 machines with OS 9.2 on the other partition. I've poked around on this a little and have found no way yet; is there something about newer firmware or something that would keep OS 9.2 from running?
As far as I know, it's the boot ROM, John.
Strangely, I have no desire to run OS 9 ...absolutely none whatsoever - can't even manage to summon the slightest bit of nostalgia for OS 6 (my first Mac's OS). I guess I'm just not sentimental about operating systems.
The Classic OS just seems clunky to me now. I know, I'm about to be excommunicated from the Church of Apple for heresy....I'll shut up now. 
Anyway, for those who do want it, Sheepshaver seems to be the only solution and here's a direct link to the software site with instructions and tips. I'm not sure what the differences are between it and the Low End Mac page, but you should probably look at both if you want to try it.
http://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/sheeps..._mac_os_x_setup
(And yes, it does work in Snow Leopard, Tom, but you can only use OS 7.5 through 9.04 - not 9.1 or 9.2)
Post by: tacit on January 16, 2011, 01:11:42 AM
QUOTE(gunug @ Jan 12 2011, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd like to find a way of dual-booting my G5 machines with OS 9.2 on the other partition. I've poked around on this a little and have found no way yet; is there something about newer firmware or something that would keep OS 9.2 from running?
It's not firmware. It's everything. The last time OS 9 was updated, the G5 processor didn't exist, PC3200 RAM didn't exist, SATA hard drives didn't exist...how would it be possible for an operating system to be able to run on hardware that never even existed when it was written? It'd be a bit like expecting the TRSDOS operating system that was written for ancient TRS-80 computers to boot a Mac.
SheepShaver is an emulator; it will run OS 9 in emulation on an Intel Mac (or a Windows machine), but I don't know if it will run on a G5.
Post by: Paddy on January 16, 2011, 10:32:35 AM
QUOTE(tacit @ Jan 16 2011, 02:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
SheepShaver is an emulator; it will run OS 9 in emulation on an Intel Mac (or a Windows machine), but I don't know if it will run on a G5.
According to MacUpdate and various threads in forums re: running it on PPCs, it does run an on a G5.
Post by: gunug on January 16, 2011, 11:12:05 AM
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It's not firmware. It's everything. The last time OS 9 was updated, the G5 processor didn't exist, PC3200 RAM didn't exist, SATA hard drives didn't exist...how would it be possible for an operating system to be able to run on hardware that never even existed when it was written? It'd be a bit like expecting the TRSDOS operating system that was written for ancient TRS-80 computers to boot a Mac.
I'm expecting you to be correct about this Tacit; but I do have a set of CD's or DVD's that came out of a cleaning of our software vault and must've come with a computer and they say on them that they're for an G5 iMAC and one has 10.3 installation and the other has OS 9 on the label. They won't work on the iMAC G5 with the iSight that I bought from the school district so I suspect that they're for the earlier G5 iMAC without the iSight although I'm not at all sure I ever saw one in the school district (maybe in our Title I reading program that supports the Catholic schools). I think I'll try setting up the G4 Powermac that I know will run the OS 9 disks with a new hard drive that never had OS 10 anything on it!
Post by: daryl66 on January 16, 2011, 12:52:54 PM
QUOTE(gunug @ Jan 16 2011, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE
It's not firmware. It's everything. The last time OS 9 was updated, the G5 processor didn't exist, PC3200 RAM didn't exist, SATA hard drives didn't exist...how would it be possible for an operating system to be able to run on hardware that never even existed when it was written? It'd be a bit like expecting the TRSDOS operating system that was written for ancient TRS-80 computers to boot a Mac.
I'm expecting you to be correct about this Tacit; but I do have a set of CD's or DVD's that came out of a cleaning of our software vault and must've come with a computer and they say on them that they're for an G5 iMAC and one has 10.3 installation and the other has OS 9 on the label. They won't work on the iMAC G5 with the iSight that I bought from the school district so I suspect that they're for the earlier G5 iMAC without the iSight although I'm not at all sure I ever saw one in the school district (maybe in our Title I reading program that supports the Catholic schools). I think I'll try setting up the G4 Powermac that I know will run the OS 9 disks with a new hard drive that never had OS 10 anything on it!
gnug: FWIW. I had one of the first build G5 iMacs (no iSight) and it would run OS 9 up to 9.1. It would NOT run 9.2.
Daryl
Post by: Paddy on January 16, 2011, 01:07:49 PM
Daryl, I'm not sure what was up with your G5 iMac, but considering it came out in 2004, and OS 9.2 came out in 2001, it would no doubt run 9.2.2 - in fact, I'd be willing to bet that's what's on its install disk. Also, it would only run it in Classic mode - not natively. Those iMacs shipped with 10.3.5.
Post by: daryl66 on January 16, 2011, 01:12:34 PM
gnug: FWIW. I had one of the first build G5 iMacs (no iSight) and it would run OS 9 up to 9.1. It would NOT run 9.2.
Daryl
gnug: I think I just stepped in it. I now recall that issue was with the computer I had before the iMac G5. It was a souped up 9400 with a Sonnet G3 card. Sorry bout that.
Daryl
Post by: Paddy on January 16, 2011, 01:22:19 PM
Post by: Xairbusdriver on January 16, 2011, 03:47:20 PM
- Isn't nice to open a program and recognize everything about it, know all its quirks and foibles and just know how to "get her done?"
It's almost like meeting with a good friend... Sadly, sometimes we lose friends, they (or we) move thousands of miles apart, some of them even leave this life! 
Our computers and software sometimes have the same things happen. Something comes between the things we enjoy about them. They may just break irreparably. The software become "orphaned" (the developer no longer maintains it). It is superceded by newer versions and the old versions are no longer updated or bugs in it are no longer repaired. It may be sad and even discouraging but it happens.We still have choices, of course. I know of companies that still use Apple ][e hardware to run machines in a factory. And there are even still people who know how to repair those computers! Besides, new hardware is expensive! OTOH, how does the price of an Apple ][ compare to the cost of a new mini?! They are hardly the same machine!
Frankly, if they were both available today it would be silly get the antique model!!And much the same goes for software. Who would attempt to use VisiCalc with so many easier to use and capable apps that do so much more at the same and even lower cost?
But change is often difficult and money is not always plentiful. But "life" IS "change", in my humble opinion, and money is always available for what we really want (OK, maybe not for absolutely everything...)! But much of this change requires another attitude that I have a tendency to forget;
Plan ahe
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Save for the future NEEDS! a
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Of course, there are alternatives to buying the latest and greatest. Used hardware is always cheaper than brand new.
Of course, age also may mean extra work in maintenance and finding spare parts...Many don't realize that the new software/hardware actually is better and much more stable than what we had, even in OS 9! There are underpinnings on OS X that have been through changes/updates/debugging/etc. that even predates OS 6! And yet, the interface is not as much different as you might expect, the basics you already know will serve you well. The machines still have a start up button!
You can still shutdown with the "Shutdown" menu item. But what you won't see are the things that have changed; Extensions that might not work with others, File systems that often lose track of what's where, memory that is limited to 100MBs, etc. And the software has improved exponentially, also. You really have nothing to lose by upgrading to newer hardware and software except fewer hours of frustration, repairs and non-standard file formats.All I'm saying is the obvious! There comes a time when we simply can't afford the time, frustration and real work that is required to avoid the changes we need to make. This point is not limited to computers and software. That old jalopy may become a safety hazard! Those extra kids may get tired of sleeping in one bedroom!!! Bite the bullet, tighten the belt, get a piggy bank, do some research...there is bound to be an acceptable solution to the problem!
Good luck and happy Macing!
