Post by: george on June 26, 2003, 10:02:53 AM
Machine ID 510
OS 9.2.2
Memory 384mb's
Hard drive 12gb IDE
CD-ROM Mashita Ver 1.4.7
This my experimental machine.
I clean installed OS 9.2.2 about three months ago and since then I have had problems getting the machine to start properly.
Switch on monitor. switch on machine, some activity from hard drive and then 15-20 seconds later a loud 'SPLAATT' and then nothing, this happens at least 8 out of 10 times, then following the same procedure it behaves as it should.
I have zapped the pram on numerous occasions to no avail.
I have connected it along with my G4 (mirrored doors) and PC to my newly aquired Netgear router and it all works wonderfully well.
Which Samaritan is on duty today?
George.
Post by: Gregg on June 26, 2003, 12:46:27 PM
Is the unpleasant sound coming from the CPU or the monitor?
Post by: kelly on June 26, 2003, 12:59:38 PM
Check your Hardware. Reseat your RAM. Check Cables etc.
If your Hardware is all ok consider a Clean Install and see what that does.
Mac OS 7.x - 9.x: Troubleshooting Startup Issues
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=16473
Post by: kbeartx on June 27, 2003, 02:46:40 AM
Is the HD partitioned?
Beige models have a quirk that if the system is not within the first 8 GB of the HD, the computer will have trouble finding the system and not boot reliably, take a really long time about it, or exhibit other weirdness.
Since they shipped with 4 and 6 GB drives, most people never find out about this until they upgrade to a HD larger than 8 GB.
If this is the prob, the only fix is to copy the data off the drive (to another drive, another computer, to seedies, to zip disks, or a tape drive), boot to a seedie that contains a system (bootable OS seedie), reformat the drive into two or more partitions, re-install the system onto the first partition (which must be 8 GB or smaller), and copy the other data back onto the HD (the non-system data can go anywhere).
Post by: Al on June 27, 2003, 04:00:24 AM
Isn't the beige first 8GB thing for OS X installs? Some one confirm this, please.
Post by: Gary S on June 27, 2003, 07:38:38 AM
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Isn't the beige first 8GB thing for OS X installs?
I think any System that your going to boot from has to be in the first 8 gigs.
Post by: Al on June 27, 2003, 12:35:43 PM
http://www.lowendmac.com/ppc/g3b.shtml
http://resale.headgap.com/osxnotes.html
http://resale.headgap.com/osxreadme.html
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?sto...030506195854607
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From OS X read me file
Installing on a PowerBook G3 Series, and original Power Macintosh G3, or an iMac
If you see a message when you select the destination disk that you need to install Mac OS X on a partition completely within the first 8 GB of disk space,choose Open Disk Utility from the Installer menu,then click Partition to see the partitions of your disk.The first partition is the top one. Select it and make sure it is 8 GB or less in size.
If the first partition is larger than 8 GB or your hard disk only has one partition that is larger than 8 GB,you need to partition your disk again.Partitioning the disk erases the entire hard disk,so be sure to back up your files first.
Installing on a PowerBook G3 Series, and original Power Macintosh G3, or an iMac
If you see a message when you select the destination disk that you need to install Mac OS X on a partition completely within the first 8 GB of disk space,choose Open Disk Utility from the Installer menu,then click Partition to see the partitions of your disk.The first partition is the top one. Select it and make sure it is 8 GB or less in size.
If the first partition is larger than 8 GB or your hard disk only has one partition that is larger than 8 GB,you need to partition your disk again.Partitioning the disk erases the entire hard disk,so be sure to back up your files first.
Post by: george on June 27, 2003, 02:37:19 PM
Al, I renewed the PRAM when I cleaned installed 9.2.2 three months ago.
Kelly, I will start off with your suggestion and reseat all reseatable ram, cables etc., and get back to you in a few days.
George.
and again
Post by: kbeartx on June 28, 2003, 10:55:41 AM
- kbeartx
Post by: Al on June 28, 2003, 11:34:29 AM
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Updates/Notes: OS X Install Notes: If you're not installing OS X, you can use a single partition drive of any size (80GB, 100GB, etc.). However if you are considering installing OS X, the Beige G3 is one of the macs that has the requirement that the volume that OS X is installed to must reside fully within the first 8GB of the drive. (For a large drive, you'd need to parition the drive with the first partition being 8GB or less, for use with OS X.
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3-ZONE/IDE/
Post by: george on June 29, 2003, 01:16:28 PM
as you suggested process of elimination and sure enough when I removed each stick of ram the two new ones that I had added were the cause of the problem.
What I do not understand is that the twos new sticks visually are the same (sdram pc133) as as the one supplied with the G3.
Am being naive or stupid ?
George.
Post by: Barticus on June 30, 2003, 02:48:52 PM
Not to be a jerk or anything, but are you sure the machine came with PC133 memory? I was under the impression the first macs to use it were the Graphite G4's.
B
(I'm sure I'll be suitably chastised if proven incorrect
)
Post by: george on June 30, 2003, 03:50:13 PM
George.
Post by: kelly on July 01, 2003, 10:45:25 AM
The 133 was either added or a mis-statement.
Did you press the Cuda Switch?
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3CARDS/OWCmerc...y/CUDAreset.jpg
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3-ZONE/trouble.html#start
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/G3-ZONE/
Post by: george on July 01, 2003, 03:48:53 PM
Your question "did I press the CUDA switch?" looking at your link there does not appear to be one on this board.
George.
Post by: giantmike on July 01, 2003, 08:24:41 PM
Post by: cdub1988 on July 02, 2003, 08:47:48 AM
Those 133 chips probably look just like PC100 chips that may have been installed before.
From the horse's mouth:
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Notes:
DIMMs must be:
3.3 volt(V) unbuffered, 64-bit wide, 168-pin
100MHz/10ns cycle time or faster
DIMMs must be:
3.3 volt(V) unbuffered, 64-bit wide, 168-pin
100MHz/10ns cycle time or faster
AppleSpec - Power Macintosh G3 Mini Tower
As long as the voltage is right, you should be good to go.
Even if the voltage was higher, it may still work, though I would never suggest it.
Hope that helps.
Take care.
Chris
Post by: george on July 02, 2003, 04:12:22 PM
many
to all particpants for their contributions.George.
Till the next glitch!
Post by: Gregg on July 03, 2003, 07:53:12 AM
Post by: george on July 03, 2003, 08:54:05 AM
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Till the next glitch
was intended to be said tongue in cheek.Since arriving and joining ts[SIZE=14]I now find myself cheerfully addicted and require a daily fix.
George
Post by: george on July 03, 2003, 08:56:04 AM
made a mess of that reply.George
Post by: Gregg on July 03, 2003, 12:02:19 PM
is as close to "tounge and cheek" that we've got to choose from. Conveys the feeling, but keeps it brief. You're allowed up to eight in one post, I believe.
Post by: kelly on July 04, 2003, 08:19:21 AM
That switch was for a tower. You probably have one somewhere.
If things are working though, don't bother with it.