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Title: Reducing the size of "received" jpegs (in iPhoto?????)
Post by: RHPConsult on May 08, 2012, 02:24:10 PM

I know, I know, “no such thing as a stupid question” hereabouts. But, I do feel that I should know the answer to such an “elementary” one . . . if it, in fact, exists at all. However . . .

I have been using the e-mail function in iPhoto to reduce the dimenisons of jpeg attachments to e-mails that I occasionally receive (say, in 300 dpi) meaning they appear on my 27" display s though they are 10 x 12 feet in size, mol.

I know of the reduction facility in Preview. Very slick. BUT, is there a similar function (not involving preparing an outgoing e-mail), residing – i.e. buried – in the armamentarium of iPhoto. I can’t find it, in V.11 or earlier.

George is also interested in this query.

PS: Beautiful banner, today!

Title: Reducing the size of "received" jpegs (in iPhoto?????)
Post by: Xairbusdriver on May 08, 2012, 03:42:29 PM

Not sure I even understand your question. Haven't used iPhoto in years, so I have no idea what it might be able to do, but reducing an image is pretty basic for any graphics app, surely it has that function somewhere... "Export..."? I would simply:

Step 1. Open the image in Elements and use the Image Size dialog panel. You can leave the resolution the same and reduce the dimensions, keep the dimensions the same and reduce the resolution or any combination of the two.
Step 2. There is no Step 2 unless you want to count saving the new version.

Or for even more options, use the Save for Web function being aware that its default resolution will be 72dpi. This dialog allows you to see the file size for all the choices you make. Sometimes there is a maximum set by some ISPs for incoming mail, so that can be helpful, also.

Looks like the File->Export dialog is the closest thing to editing an images dimensions to specific values (one dimension anyway). In the Size popup, choose Custom and you can set either the height or width maximum. It appears to lower the resolution to 72dpi by default, BTW. I didn't see any indication as to file size, however.

Title: Reducing the size of "received" jpegs (in iPhoto?????)
Post by: Paddy on May 08, 2012, 05:20:22 PM

Dick, I'm not sure I understand the question either. In iPhoto, when I open an individual photo, it's whatever size the window is - not whatever size the photo would be at 72dpi! I just opened a photo that would be 6 FEET X 4 FEET if it displayed at 72 dpi (it's 5184X3456 pixels) and it gets bigger or smaller depending on whether I enlarge the window or shrink it. Even if I open it in full screen mode, it's only as big as my screen - not bigger (no scrolling required). So...I'm quite puzzled as to why you'd want to reduce them simply for viewing purposes. For sending via email and for viewing online, no problem - I get that. But you should never reduce the size (reduce the number of pixels) of any photos you intend to keep and perhaps print. You can take pixels away...but you can never add them back.

Can you explain the problem you're having (screen shots, perhaps?) so we can understand better?

Title: Reducing the size of "received" jpegs (in iPhoto?????)
Post by: RHPConsult on May 08, 2012, 10:16:22 PM

2 reasons for asking this question:

I have Elements but DO NOT wish to use it to . . .
Make a jpeg file from one that came in over my transom that I wish to fit into a folder for possible later use in an e-mail or a Pages layout, WITHOUT further processing and WITHOUT having first to send it to myself as an e-mail with the choices of "small/medium/large" already made.

Here's the original of my treasured grandson who hit 2 homers as the pitcher in an early game of this season. Oh yes, he also hit a homer to win the season opener!

Trust me. I would upload it here, except it significantly exceeds the max size permitted by TeeEss' web site rules. So, here's a SnapNDrag copy of the portion of the original attachment which "fits" on a 27" iMac display 1920x1200.

[attachment=2581:screenshot_03.jpg]

I know there are people here who understand PhotoShop AND Elements like the backs of their proverbial hands. I ain't never been wonna them (now in any way aspire to be). And, please don't tell me about how simple Elements is. (I am afflicted w/NPH and am principal caregiver to a PD patient . . . I've got enough to worry about besides anything made by Adobe!)

Oh yes, here's the young star from a MAIL-processed jpeg . . . EXCEPT it's 42.1 MB

Title: Reducing the size of "received" jpegs (in iPhoto?????)
Post by: Paddy on May 09, 2012, 12:26:23 AM

Dick, I have to assume that the issue is not what you're seeing on your iMac - you should have no difficulty seeing the entire photo in iPhoto, no matter what the resolution. If that is not the case, then something odd is going on...

To resize using iPhoto, you have to use the Export function and you can export to a folder, as you wish. Very nice set of instructions for this here:

http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=294

In Elements, as Jim says, you can resize or you can use the "Save for Web" function - both would work. Note: the results from any of these compression exercises likely won't be suitable for printing, so make sure you rename the resized photos so that there is no danger that the originals are overwritten or you toss out the original as an unneeded duplicate.

Title: Reducing the size of "received" jpegs (in iPhoto?????)
Post by: Xairbusdriver on May 09, 2012, 08:05:26 AM

Perhaps I delayed posting my iPhoto findings too long?

Title: Reducing the size of "received" jpegs (in iPhoto?????)
Post by: RHPConsult on May 09, 2012, 01:04:38 PM

That's it, Paddy. Thanks.

I was very hopeful that the simple dimensional/size changes available in the e-mail function would be found in a Menu item. I just wasn't smart enough to find it.

I'm still a little puzzled by your one comment . . .

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you should have no difficulty seeing the entire photo in iPhoto, no matter what the resolution.

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I probably should have said "seeing" in iPhoto w/o the necessity of scrolling vertically and horizontally.

Communication clarity is more difficult for me these days, sorry.

And thanks again to everybody participating in this thread.

Problem Solved!

Title: Reducing the size of "received" jpegs (in iPhoto?????)
Post by: Xairbusdriver on May 09, 2012, 02:27:58 PM

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I probably should have said "seeing" in iPhoto w/o the necessity of scrolling vertically and horizontally.

And I think that is the problem she is trying to point out. Scrolling should not be required, no matter the dimensions of the image. I'll see if I can find any setting in iPhoto that may need adjusting... you're welcome to inspect your own, of course...

...later...

Sorry, I can't seem to make scroll bars appear in iPhoto. First, I selected a 1440 x 900 pixel image. Second, I made the iPhoto window as small as I could by dragging the sides inward. Here's what that looks like.

[attachment=2582:Smallest...o_Window.gif]
Note: This is a gif with only 4 colors, just to keep the file size to a minimum.

Next, I used the "Zoom" slider to make the image as big as possible. Note that it doesn't have any effect on the iPhoto window. Nor does it cause any scroll bars.

[attachment=2583:Maximum_Zoom.jpg]

Apple seems to know there are no scroll bars by providing a means of seeing portions of the image that may not be visible. See the little floating window? One simply moves the brighter colored part around to see other parts of the image. I got my "navigation" window to appear by clicking on the Edit icon/button. But, once it appears, it stays around even if one clicks back to a 'normal' window.

[attachment=2584:Navigation_Window.jpg]

Perhaps you can capture an image showing your scroll bars?

BTW, these screen shots are of my 9.2.3 (629.52) version of iPhoto.

Title: Reducing the size of "received" jpegs (in iPhoto?????)
Post by: Paddy on May 09, 2012, 02:49:31 PM

I couldn't find anything in iPhoto that produced this behaviour for me...but I have iPhoto '09. Clearly, judging by Jim's screenshots, iPhoto '11 does give you more zooming capabilities. Once you get into the Edit section in '09 where there is a zoom/Fit to Window function (bottom, middle of screen), scroll bars appear.

All I can think is that you're zoomed in, in the main window and need to zoom out.

BTW, Jim, apparently scroll bars not being visible in the main window in iPhoto '11 with Lion is cured by updating iPhoto:

http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3864?viewloc...mp;locale=en_US

Jim, are you using Lion's default scrollbar setting where they're only visible if you hover over them? That's one of the first things I fix using Lion Tweaks when setting up any Lion system. Drives me batty - particularly with photos, where you could easily not know there was more to see if you never got the mouse over to the edge. One of Apple's less intelligent UI choices, if you ask me.

Title: Reducing the size of "received" jpegs (in iPhoto?????)
Post by: RHPConsult on May 09, 2012, 05:13:25 PM

All I did was DL an iPhone pic to my iMac.

There it was, from an iPhone – a pic about as large as a floor mat from the back of their SUV.

Title: Reducing the size of "received" jpegs (in iPhoto?????)
Post by: Paddy on May 09, 2012, 06:34:49 PM

Can you not zoom out, eliminating the need for the scroll bars? The zoom level has nothing to do with the actual number of pixels. I don't know why it chose to appear so big right out of the box, but it did - and if iPhoto 11 behaves as I think it does, you should be able to zoom out.

Title: Reducing the size of "received" jpegs (in iPhoto?????)
Post by: RHPConsult on May 09, 2012, 07:24:30 PM

Zoom "out" or "in"?

It's now, I fear, irrelevant since I can't find the "original" anywhere.

Title: Reducing the size of "received" jpegs (in iPhoto?????)
Post by: Paddy on May 10, 2012, 07:16:16 AM

Well, should you encounter this strange phenomenon again, see Jim's second screen shot with the zoom slider highlighted in purple. This, of course, assumes that you're using iPhoto '11. There is no zoom button in the main window for iPhoto '09.

Title: Reducing the size of "received" jpegs (in iPhoto?????)
Post by: RHPConsult on May 10, 2012, 10:25:02 AM

Sorry that I "lost my homework"!

My best memory is that there were scroll bars on the bottom and left, but no "evident" zoom controls.

Thanks again.

Title: Reducing the size of "received" jpegs (in iPhoto?????)
Post by: daryl66 on May 10, 2012, 10:28:49 AM

QUOTE(Paddy @ May 10 2012, 07:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Iphoto 11: After selecting the photo you want, then "Share", then "e-mail", when the e-mail screen appears in the lower right hand portion of the screen there are the following options. I did test it and it sure enuff changes the size.Size:Optimized:SmallMediumLargeActualDaryl

QUOTE(daryl66 @ May 10 2012, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

QUOTE(Paddy @ May 10 2012, 07:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

OOPs I just re-read the originall post. RECEIVE not SEND sorry bout thatDaryl

Title: Reducing the size of "received" jpegs (in iPhoto?????)
Post by: Xairbusdriver on May 10, 2012, 02:11:05 PM

First, a big thanks to Apple for its naming conventions. All its iLife apps never carried/reported the same version numbers after a few updates. Every year their name was updated to whatever the current year was; 08, 09, 10, 11, etc. But the version numbers lagged way behind. I now have Garageband 6.0.5, iDVD 7.1.2, iMovie 9.0.4, iPhoto 9.2.3 and I don't even know what iLife is, anymore. Is there an '12 batch out yet?

So I have no idea if my 9.2.3 version of iPhoto is the same as Dick's iPhoto "V.11." But I don't think I've ever seen an Apple app with a scroll bar on the "left."

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no "evident" zoom controls.

Did you look at any of my uploaded images?

Nor have I been able to decipher exactly what this sentence means:

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I have been using the e-mail function in iPhoto to reduce the dimenisons of jpeg attachments to e-mails that I occasionally receive (say, in 300 dpi) meaning they appear on my 27" display s though they are 10 x 12 feet in size

It appears that you already know of the "Share->Email" function of iPhoto. But I'm now not even certain how you are viewing a "jpeg attachments to e-mails that I occasionally receive (say, in 300 dpi) meaning they appear on my 27" display s though they are 10 x 12 feet in size." In what app are you viewing them?

1. Mail
2. iPhoto
3. QuickLook
4. Other

As for finding the original, I had assumed that you had imported it into iPhoto. If so, it should be one of the last dated images in the "Photos" Library or in the "Recent->Last Import". Possibly even still on your iPhone, if you didn't delete it. If none of those places have it, I'd be happy to send you a large image, suitable for a Desktop picture, so you could et a screen capture of those scroll bars in iPhoto.

I very much dislike seeing questions being left unresolved...

Paddy, I think I have used LionTweak to set the scroll bars to always visible. I agree the default setting was distracting and un-needed on a 'real' computer!

I only wish that the SIMBL developers would get it compatible with Lion so the sidebar colors would remain in Finder windows. I almost always have two Finder windows open and the bland, same-ness of the icons is not helpful.

Title: Reducing the size of "received" jpegs (in iPhoto?????)
Post by: RHPConsult on May 10, 2012, 11:04:13 PM

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I don't think I've ever seen an Apple app with a scroll bar on the "left."

My error. I was fatigued. Make that "Right"

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That is as precise as I am able to state it. Sorry if it remains murky.

I think Daryl said the same thing . . .

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It appears that you already know of the "Share->Email" function of iPhoto.

That's riiiight. I tried to say so,

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But I'm now not even certain how you are viewing a "jpeg attachments to e-mails that I occasionally receive (say, in 300 dpi) meaning they appear on my 27" display s though they are 10 x 12 feet in size." In what app are you viewing them?

MAIL

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Of course I imported into iPhoto. I meant to report that. It was sent by my daughter from her iPhone just after reaching home after the game
It was so flawed, and I thought beyond usefulness, when I finished my original TeeEss post I hosed it.
This is what I now enjoy . . .
[attachment=2587:2homeruns.jpg]
Thanks for the offer but no thanks. My energy for this issue is about gone.

Next time I find myself confronting such a vexing problem, I'll come back to this text for the solution.

Thanks to everyone.

Title: Reducing the size of "received" jpegs (in iPhoto?????)
Post by: Xairbusdriver on May 11, 2012, 09:09:50 AM

Rest up!