Post by: Gregg on July 20, 2003, 08:36:00 PM
On starting, I get the "Converting user profile" every time! Why didn't it just do that once? I does "take awhile" as advertised.
This session, I also got the "Network registration" window. Not gonna do that. Can I get it to leave me alone?
In previous versions, if you resize the various windows it will be that size the next time you start it up. It would even "remember" the position on the screen. Not so with 7.0
. I want that ability back!The promise of a "Classic Theme" was empty. "It will take effect the next time you open Netscape. Not. Won't do it.
My "personal toolbar" was transformed somewhat. It decided to lengthen the names, thus pushing several of them out of view. I shortened the names using Get Info while in "bookmark edit" mode, but the next time I start it up, the long names are back.
I haven't found any pref settings that address any of these irritants. Help!
By the way, I'm using OS 9.2.2 and I refuse to try a full download of NS 7.02 because that has failed twice before. I'd sure like to know if these problems (and there will be more) can be fixed in 7.0, or if there is a "patch" available to update it to 7.02(?). I certainly didn't see any such thing on the Netscape web site when I attempted the full download.
Oh, BTW, the reason (and for now the only reason) that I'm trying so valiantly to upgrade my Netscape is to make this site more accessible. So far, that goal has been realized.
Post by: chrisharjo on July 21, 2003, 04:00:55 AM
I am using 7.02 on my 8600 using OS 8.6, it seems to be working fine. I did the net install and have not had any problems, I did have problems with the version 6 with the tool bars disappearing and it locking up 3 times at one instance 
I got the latest IE but it does not resize back if you close the program before closing the ad pages that pop up in the background. I never got a reply from MS on that problem and on the netscape 6 problem I got a automated reply and that was the end of it never heard anything back. the automated reply said I should delete the preferances and reinstall the program, I tried that but no luck, went back to Netscape 4.79 for a while until I tried the 7.02 version, so far so good 
I would wipe all referances to the browser and do a clean reinstall and see what happens from there
Post by: jepinto on July 21, 2003, 05:41:06 AM
The only preferences in your System Folder>Preferences are Mozilla Registry and
Mozilla Versions.
I'm trying to remember, difficult at best when one suffers from CRS, but Chris is on the right track, I had to install NS more than once to get it to stick, and it had to do with using either Netscape Profile Manager or Netscape Profile Migration (in hard drive>Applications>Netscape) to set up.
Trash the above items, do a reinstall, don't use the manager or migration.
Post by: Dreambird on July 21, 2003, 11:47:50 AM
On the registration window, to get it to go away hit "cancel" and then I believe "cancel" again when it prompts you and it "should" not come back again.
I'm not running NS7.x right now but have played with it a few times... generally it's always taken and converted all my NS4.76 stuff smoothly and first time, but one time I did have to uninstall all traces of NS 7.x and try again. Second time all went well.
What Jennie suggests is a good thing to try... and she knows the program a lot better than me...
Sorry you're having so much trouble with it... myself I still use Opera 5 here with no trouble and it doesn't play with NS4.76. But unfortunately those NS4.x versions are becoming obsolete, I always have both browsers open now for pages that NS won't handle.
Post by: Bill on July 21, 2003, 11:56:47 AM
Squirt some orange juice on those vocal cords DB and lets hear a tune. <gr>
Post by: Dreambird on July 21, 2003, 05:27:39 PM
Every dog in a ten mile radius at least will "howl"!
Post by: Gregg on July 22, 2003, 07:41:40 AM
Post by: RHPConsult on July 22, 2003, 12:27:39 PM
Here are some of his ideas?
- Why even use 7.0 w/9.x? Would you atempt to install a DVD player in a '54 Chevy? (He enjoys colorful metaphors!)
There is no relationship - in underlying code - between NS 4.x and 7.x None. Totally redone.
He asserts. further, that for everything <OSX, NS 4.7.9 should work just fine; for X , however, only Mozilla is what he (my son) asserts.
Here's an idea of mine:
Save your bookmarks to your DT (via export); same with your address file. Then trash everything else with a NS label, anything, everthing. Start Fresh, via download or CD. If I was going to use NS <7.2, I would get the last iteration, not the first.
Jennie also had some good ideas, insofar as my experience might suggest.
In the end, when in doubt, methinks, hose it and start over.
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Post by: Gregg on July 23, 2003, 07:41:15 AM
Post by: Gary S on July 23, 2003, 08:40:28 AM
I'm on OS9.2.2 with Netscape 7.02 now. No problems. I use it on OS 10.2.6 and OS9.1 too.
Try this page:
Netscape page 1
Netscape FAQ
Smartupdate HELP
Smartupdate FAQ
Why not use the SmartUpdate? That's what I always do and it works well.
Post by: Gregg on July 23, 2003, 10:09:09 AM
SmartDownload is currently available only for Windows 95/98/NT. Future versions will include an enhanced SmartDownload designed specifically for the Mac OS.
Now that's weird. I've used SmartDownload before also. But, that was pre-OSX. But you've used it since X, Gary?
Besides, would it be "smart" enough to know that I only want to go to 7.02 or just download 7.1 or whatever the latest version is? In other words, does SmartDownload identify my OS before commencing? 7.1 won't work with OS9.
Post by: Gary S on July 23, 2003, 10:54:50 AM
the last time I used SmartUpdate was when I went from Netscape Communicator 7.0 to 7.0.1 on my beige unit. I downloaded 7.0.2 when I got my G4 this Spring and installed it on all three HDD's as I remember.
It would give you the latest version....I think. Where did you find the SmartUpdate for windows? I don't know why they would have pulled the Mac version.
Post by: Gregg on July 23, 2003, 12:43:34 PM
Post by: Gregg on July 25, 2003, 11:53:22 AM
QUOTE
(Chris)
I would wipe all references to the browser and do a clean reinstall...
I would wipe all references to the browser and do a clean reinstall...
Wouldn't that kill my address book and bookmarks?
QUOTE
(Jennie)
...see how many profiles NS has created.
...see how many profiles NS has created.
Seventeen and counting! It seems to be creating one each time the program is started up. They range in size form 7.4 to 40.2MB! Thanks for the tip! This will chew up my hard drive space in no time. Am I safe in deleting all but the most recent one? I don't want to lose new e-mail messages I haven't deleted yet.
QUOTE
(Jennie)
...Profile Manager or Profile Migration.... Trash the above items, do a reinstall, don't use the manager or migration.
...Profile Manager or Profile Migration.... Trash the above items, do a reinstall, don't use the manager or migration.
That's what you meant, right? Delete those two items?
Not to worry about losing mail at this point. It won't let me delete any! After deleting and clearing out the Trash, it all comes back the next time it's started up.
HELP!!!!!!!
Post by: jepinto on July 25, 2003, 01:25:41 PM
A though just occurred.... do you have the "Applications" and the "Documents" folders on the same hard drive (or partition) as the System folder?
When you do the reinstall, don't use Profile Manager or Profile Migration, just open as if you are a first time user, and it will import from NS 4.7x.
Post by: Bill on July 25, 2003, 01:51:03 PM
Post by: Gregg on July 25, 2003, 04:11:10 PM
Question for you (or anybody who knows): After doing this over, and NS7 has converted the profile from 4.8 should I trash the 4.8 prefs so it won't look there next time? (I have copied the entire Netscape folder in Prefs to a disk every time I've tried a new install, so of course, I'd start there.) Are there things I should keep on my hard drive from the "old" 4.8 prefs?
Post by: Dreambird on July 25, 2003, 05:32:52 PM
In fact what bothers "me" more is that NS7.x has a tendency to mess with my NS4.76 which I still use actively as I feel no urgency to ditch it having another browser that works here and elsewhere when needed. I don't feel in a "learning curve" mood right now...
I'm afraid you may have to ditch NS7.0 completely and altogether and start over... and I'm even more afraid my suggestion would be to download a complete and full installer of NS 7.02 given Smart Update's notorious failure rate...
Post by: jepinto on July 26, 2003, 06:24:06 AM
Post by: Dreambird on July 26, 2003, 11:15:50 AM
And as Jennie says it really should just kick in and do all the conversions you need for a profile all by itself on the first run...
Post by: Gregg on July 26, 2003, 11:18:06 AM
I think my next step is to open NS 4.8 and see what's there. If recent e-mails are there, I can finally trash some that I don't want. Then I'll look at NS 7 again and see what I find. Next step will be to clean up the NS 7 profiles and the other suggestions.
Anybody have thoughts on trashing the NS 4.8 prefs after the NS 7 conversion?
...ok, did all that.
4.8 looked fine, everything there.
New install of 7 behaved the same. (The installation routine never asked if I wanted to use Mgr. or Migration.)
I'm done. Sticking with 4.8 until I have to bury this computer. I don't have time for this stuff.
Thanks to all who tried to help.
Post by: Dreambird on July 26, 2003, 03:24:12 PM
No, you should not have to trash 4.8 profiles or anything for 7.0 to work right.
Have you ever tried Opera if NS isn't working for you? You can get 30 days trial w/o being bothered by any ad banners and after that it's still free with the ad banners which aren't really too intrusive, you can set preferences for what you'd rather have shown to you as well.
It does work well on this board, so it would give you something to use when NS4.8 doesn't want to. NS and Opera don't mess with each other in any way...
Post by: jepinto on July 26, 2003, 08:55:12 PM
Here is a three pager Particularly Page 2! Especially the
QUOTE
leave Extensions ON
Post by: Dreambird on July 26, 2003, 10:57:43 PM
very much Jennie... I'd clean forgotten about that one! Not again!... I bookmarked it now... That was I think one of the best Netscape back and forth discussion threads on the board...
Post by: Gregg on July 27, 2003, 07:00:04 PM
I will keep NS7 loaded, just to make my visits to TS pleasant (and productive). I will delete any new profile that is created each time. Is there anything else I should be watching for to keep NS7 in check?
I will continue to use NS 4.8 for everything else I do online. Well, except at work, where I'm forced to use Explorer -don't ask what version, couldn't begin to tell you. I only come to TS on my Mac on the weekends, if I find the time.