Post by: Paddy on October 04, 2015, 05:10:35 PM
http://www.macrumors.com/roundup/os-x-10-11/
I'm particularly looking forward to the split screen feature - it will be very, very useful when I'm updating websites from Word docs etc.!!
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2015/10/03/hi...pitan-features/
And of course, the best review/rundown of all, from Ars Technica:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/09/os-x-...echnica-review/
Also looking forward to the Safari responsive design mode, which will be useful in website development.
One little thing that I suspect that they haven't changed, but really wish they WOULD change is Mail's nuisance insistence on putting my email accounts in alphabetical order and with iCloud first (even though it's not alphabetically first) every time I change something in Mail's preferences. I then have to re-order them all - with my most used ones first, which sticks until I change something in the Mail preferences. Grrrr.
Post by: kimmer on October 05, 2015, 01:52:32 PM
[attachment=3196:Screen_S...10_5__15.png]
Also like the pinned tab feature in Safari.
The one thing that I didn't like (and I discovered then when I upgraded my MacBookPro yesterday) was the auto opening of all these Apple applications, which included Mail. Since I don't use Mail, I had to deal with "account not found", "incorrect password", and other alerts until I could finally get to the QUIT menu. That was annoying.
Post by: jchuzi on October 05, 2015, 07:02:11 PM
See this FTM thread.
Post by: Xairbusdriver on October 06, 2015, 10:02:53 AM
<MacIssues October 4, 2015>
Would be great to have some input from anyone who has used this function, also.
Post by: Xairbusdriver on October 06, 2015, 02:24:30 PM
I just read a report that states that the way El Capitan handles incompatible apps is similar to how Yosemite did it with some added capabilities and storage sites.
- If the new OS determines the app is incompatible, it will still be in your "Applications" directory but its icon will have the international 'do not enter' (circle with a diagonal line) on it. This also means it should not run even if you try to force it to open.
If it finds plugins/terminal commands or scripts/minor code pieces that are incompatible, it may leave the rest of the app looking like it will be normal. However, those missing pieces may not cause any problems until days/weeks/months after you use that app. You will probably need to do a little searching of your root drive to determine if this has happened. All you need do is open your root drive (often labeled "Macintosh HD") and look for any folders labeled "Disabled Software". Just another reason to double-check with the developer before upgrading the OS.
Lastly, the new Security Integrity Protection function will also look for any code that does not comply with it's rules. Its path is a little lengthy: Macintosh HD (or whatever you might have changed the name to)/Library/SystemMigration/History/Migration-UUID/QuarantineRoot. Most of us will probably never see ing thing here unless you do some kind of app development or use a lot of Terminal/Unix 'tricks'.
Check with any dev that hasn't already told you that their app(s) are compatible with El Capitan . OTOH, if you notice apps missing from your Dock or Applications folder or they don't do what you expected, try looking in the two places mentioned before buying a Windows machine out of despair or other rash actions! 
BTW, we paranoid types would greatly appreciate a posting from you if you come across any problems that might cause any of the above. Please. Help your fellow TSer, even if you're usually only a 'lurker'.
Post by: jchuzi on October 06, 2015, 02:41:01 PM
Post by: kimmer on October 06, 2015, 05:35:44 PM
http://www.stclairsoft.com/DefaultFolderX/el_capitan.html
Post by: kimmer on October 08, 2015, 12:04:59 PM
Well, here's my latest.I. Can't. Change. Finder. Icons.
Right now I’m stuck with a pretty flower as the icon for my hd. I'd sure love to make it something fall, but it's apparently not easy to change icons any longer. I did find a solution, which just totally thrills me.
Post by: kimmer on October 08, 2015, 02:49:24 PM
Post by: Xairbusdriver on October 08, 2015, 07:40:52 PM
I guess I don't understand the problem because I don't use either Finder or the Dock, at least intentionally. If you are saying that Pathfinder won't work with EC, then my "upgrade" will be a very long time coming.
Post by: daryl66 on October 09, 2015, 07:10:05 PM
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Oct 8 2015, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
my "upgrade" will be a very long time coming.
I did the deed today, still perusing. Went from "Mavericks" to EC so no experience with Yosemite. Ordered more memory for SWMBO's MBP, should give me a bit of time with EC before upgrading hers.
Daryl
Post by: kimmer on October 09, 2015, 08:29:46 PM
If you right click on TextEdit in the dock (yeah, I know that's old time stuff, but I like it), anyhow, up pops the recent items list HOWEVER this list is not updating and doesn't agree with the File / Open Recent menu. See my screen caps below. These used to agree, and it's a bit frustrating that they no longer do, especially since Default Folder X doesn't work at the moment.
From the dock:
[attachment=3197:TE_dock_menu.png]
From File/Open Recent:
[attachment=3198:TE_menu.png]
Post by: Xairbusdriver on October 09, 2015, 09:05:40 PM
Are you a blond, my any chance?! 
Post by: kimmer on October 10, 2015, 01:14:42 PM
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Oct 9 2015, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Of course they don't match! One comes from the top of the screen, the other from the bottom! DUH! One comes from the air, the other from the ocean/lake/river/gutter!
QUOTE
Are you a blond, my any chance?!
Oh shame on you.
I have lovely white hair. Maybe I lost all my brains when I lost my hair color? HAHAHA
Post by: Xairbusdriver on October 10, 2015, 01:54:02 PM
Looks like things are sorted by date/time. Apparently, the "time" is based on the closest screen edge?!
Post by: beacher on October 13, 2015, 01:40:29 PM
problems:
more
Apparently, a lot of people are having trouble with El Capitan and the new LR 6.2 update playing "nicely" together. How are you doing? And how 'bout you, Tacit? I'm curious and in no hurry to move on from Mavericks, because it's working wonderfully for me, as I'm trying to get all my stuff moved over from Aperture. LR, as I've found, is a better program for massaging images, but it's certainly not as intuitive, and I'm still having trouble handling the import feature; I wind up with dozens of sub-folders, that I have to click through to find what I'm looking for, but it's slowly coming more into focus (no pun intended!).
Post by: Paddy on October 13, 2015, 09:39:30 PM
QUOTE(beacher @ Oct 13 2015, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Paddy, if I remember correctly, you're a Light Room user; are you aware of these:
problems:
more
Apparently, a lot of people are having trouble with El Capitan and the new LR 6.2 update playing "nicely" together. How are you doing? And how 'bout you, Tacit? I'm curious and in no hurry to move on from Mavericks, because it's working wonderfully for me, as I'm trying to get all my stuff moved over from Aperture. LR, as I've found, is a better program for massaging images, but it's certainly not as intuitive, and I'm still having trouble handling the import feature; I wind up with dozens of sub-folders, that I have to click through to find what I'm looking for, but it's slowly coming more into focus (no pun intended!).
problems:
more
Apparently, a lot of people are having trouble with El Capitan and the new LR 6.2 update playing "nicely" together. How are you doing? And how 'bout you, Tacit? I'm curious and in no hurry to move on from Mavericks, because it's working wonderfully for me, as I'm trying to get all my stuff moved over from Aperture. LR, as I've found, is a better program for massaging images, but it's certainly not as intuitive, and I'm still having trouble handling the import feature; I wind up with dozens of sub-folders, that I have to click through to find what I'm looking for, but it's slowly coming more into focus (no pun intended!).
Yikes. No - I wasn't aware of those issues, but I've not upgraded to LR 6 either. I have been too busy, between work and rebuilding our house in Newcastle (former summer cottage, becoming our year-round home as of July 2016). Haven't updated to El Cap either - on any machines. Same reasons.
That said, I was intending to upgrade sooner or later, since the performance boost with LR 6 is apparently considerable, and since I have a shiny new 5K iMac, it would be nice to actually SEE that speed. However, I will now hold off. From what I've read, LR5 is fine with El Capitan. I'm used to its lack of speed.
As for Photoshop, I'm using CS6, and it's also apparently fine with El Cap. I flat out refuse to fork over large sums of $$$ to Adobe for Creative Cloud. Apparently, this may becoming a problem for Adobe as their profits have dropped 46% in the last year. http://www.alphr.com/news/390835/dark-clou...its-slide-by-46 Resistance maybe isn't so futile in this case? Time will tell.
Post by: beacher on October 14, 2015, 12:20:34 PM
Congrats on your new abode; sounds delightful, and it sounds as if you've enjoyed the "luxury" of not having to live in it at the same time you're working on it. I envy you that!
Post by: Xairbusdriver on October 14, 2015, 12:55:14 PM
QUOTE
I really had to look hard through the web site to find [the app's download link]
Yeah, those Adobe folks are SO0o... subtle. I'm still on 6.0 in Yosemite, haven't taken the time/energy to find any update...
Post by: jchuzi on October 14, 2015, 01:13:55 PM
Post by: beacher on October 15, 2015, 12:52:09 PM
Post by: Paddy on October 17, 2015, 02:52:05 PM
QUOTE(jchuzi @ Oct 14 2015, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know what Adobe's current situation is, Paddy, but that article dates from Sept. 2014.
I just went back and looked at it again - the thing is, Google says "6 days ago" on the page summary (someone else on another site linked to it too).
At any rate, Adobe's profits have dropped mightily from 2012, although there has been steady growth in the last three quarters.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/272964/...ter-since-2009/
More competitors offering perpetual licensing are appearing though - there are several worthwhile Photoshop competitors out there already. Nothing to knock Lightroom off its pedestal quite yet, nor InDesign, but that's not to say someone isn't hard at work on that somewhere.
Post by: Xairbusdriver on October 19, 2015, 06:19:08 PM
However, Apple has always(?) provided a bit more than basic calibration methods in the "Displays" System Prefs. It appears, from a recent MacIssues blog, that this "expert" calibration function has been hidden in El Capitan . It's still there, still in the same System Pref, but it now requires using the option key to make it available. I can't test this yet, still waiting on 10.11.1... at least! I wonder if there is a list of functions available that require the option key? They are often not obvious and many never realize they are even available...
Post by: jchuzi on October 19, 2015, 07:10:16 PM
I used to use Expert Mode to calibrate my display (in previous OS incarnations) but was never satisfied with how my prints turned out. The colors were significantly different from the display colors. (Caveat: I'm very fussy about my photography.) I have been pleased with X-Rite hardware and software, however. I started out with Eye-One Match but had to ditch it after upgrading to Yosemite (it doesn't work with any OS later than Snow Leopard). Currently, I use i1 Profiler. The calibration process takes less than 5 minutes and I'm very pleased with the results.
If you are serious about photography and have some cash, I highly recommend it. A cheaper solution is Color Munki, also by X-Rite. I have found that X-Rite's tech support and phone service are excellent.
Post by: Xairbusdriver on October 19, 2015, 10:09:54 PM
"I find that I like my monitor on the bright side of dim that the Apple's "calibration" seems to provide. Perhaps I simply forget to un-squint after using it...
Alas, even using the profiles for the paper I print on then produces a much darker out come. I am also "fussy" about my prints, which is why I create so much expensive waste paper! But I am a favorite customer of B&H Photo! And I am not equipped to pay the costs of procuring these hard- and soft-ware professional solutions. 
I have plenty of other hobby expenses!" 
Speaking of 'quotes', did you mean "later than" when you wrote "earlier than" Lion?
Post by: jchuzi on October 20, 2015, 04:34:09 AM
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Oct 19 2015, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Speaking of 'quotes', did you mean "later than" when you wrote "earlier than" Lion?
You are right, of course. I edited my post. And I also edited it to say that Snow Leopard is the latest OS that Eye-One Match worked with. 
Post by: Xairbusdriver on October 20, 2015, 10:43:28 AM
Post by: kimmer on October 26, 2015, 03:43:47 PM
QUOTE(kimmer @ Oct 9 2015, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Found another blip:
If you right click on TextEdit in the dock (yeah, I know that's old time stuff, but I like it), anyhow, up pops the recent items list HOWEVER this list is not updating and doesn't agree with the File / Open Recent menu. See my screen caps below. These used to agree, and it's a bit frustrating that they no longer do, especially since Default Folder X doesn't work at the moment.
From the dock:
[attachment=3197:TE_dock_menu.png]
From File/Open Recent:
[attachment=3198:TE_menu.png]
If you right click on TextEdit in the dock (yeah, I know that's old time stuff, but I like it), anyhow, up pops the recent items list HOWEVER this list is not updating and doesn't agree with the File / Open Recent menu. See my screen caps below. These used to agree, and it's a bit frustrating that they no longer do, especially since Default Folder X doesn't work at the moment.
From the dock:
[attachment=3197:TE_dock_menu.png]
From File/Open Recent:
[attachment=3198:TE_menu.png]
Post by: Xairbusdriver on October 28, 2015, 11:59:25 AM
Not sure this is a "feature", but the Notification Center has now started "nagging" the slow-to-upgrade" sluggards (You cannot hide; Apple knows who you are!
). Careful with your clicking; there is no "Cancel", of course, but if you miss the "Later" button, you'll get to enjoy watching the upgrade... OK, you'll hopefully get a chance to back out of that. Hopefully you'll just get to see the Mac App Store open and the usual "Upgrade/Update" button will still need to be clicked.