Post by: weldiger on August 01, 2003, 07:35:39 AM
Who can see this, and what do you see, and how did you get it?
This is a pop up do you get a picture?
wd
Post by: Gregg on August 01, 2003, 07:40:04 AM
Using some version of IE on a Dell with some version of Windows.
Clueless on identification of same.
Post by: MrsLop on August 01, 2003, 07:50:39 AM
At first click, it looked like a carpet; I just used my scroll slide.
You have to scroll down almost a half page. The ad is
"Win a Cooper" and asks you to enter info in certain fields to enter.
They do have a picture of the car.
As for my browser, I am using IE 5.1, on my Power PC
4400/200.
Hope this helps.
MrsLop
Post by: Diana on August 01, 2003, 08:36:03 AM
You don't say what you see, but I see a mess..
Using Mozilla 1.5a on Linux, I saw a quick flash of a car picture, then the whole window looks like an animated mass of static.
I looked at the source code and found where there is actually a ".gif" file named static.gif that is set to be the background for a table cell. This cell is defined with the attributes for size in percentages, but the code is not valid. This would appear to be why that static.gif covers the window instead of staying inside its own little cell as it should. I typed in the URL straight to the static.gif and found it to be a small square image of static.
I found the image for the car and put it into a separate URL and saw a really cute Cooper..
Let us know what it is you see. That page is useless to me since I can't see past the static image once it loads. If I was visiting a page that provided this pop-up, I wouldn't see it then either since I'm telling Mozilla to block all pop-ups..
see ya,
Diana
Post by: jepinto on August 01, 2003, 09:01:14 AM
Post by: Lindsay on August 01, 2003, 09:06:05 AM
Lindsay
Post by: kelly on August 01, 2003, 10:34:55 AM
"Why My iBook Reminds Me Of A Renault 4".
http://www.macopinion.com/columns/roadwarr...7/29/index.html
Post by: pendragon on August 01, 2003, 10:45:39 AM
Harv
Post by: Diana on August 01, 2003, 11:44:48 AM
QUOTE(pendragon @ Aug 1 2003, 11:45 AM)
As noted by Lindsay and Diana, Safari's pop-up blocker precludes seeing the Mini Cooper, but with IE 5.2.3, there it is!
Harv
Harv
Hi Harv,
I can see the window through the link the Weldiger provided because it is a direct link...not a pop-up in the strictest sense. I mentioned that I wouldn't be able to see it if I visited the page that provided it as a pop-up because of Mozilla's abilities only because Weldiger mentioned that it was a pop-up.
Being a pop-up has nothing to do with it's viewability as an HTML document. The HTML in that document is faulty and I believe that Mozilla and other browsers mentioned are unforgiving of the errors...hence the strangeness. If you see that strange "carpet" or "static" with Safari as I do with Mozilla, it isn't because of any pop-up blocking Safari is doing for you. Safari is recognizing a mistake in the HTML and refusing to render the page in some way other than it was encoded. I say Hooray for Safari..
IE is, should we say, "forgiving" or "lax" or downright faulty in its rendering of that document's HTML. Granted all browsers have their idosyncrisies about what they will render, but I have always disliked IE's propensity to allow mistakes in coding.
see ya,
edited for spelling
Post by: pendragon on August 01, 2003, 11:56:20 AM
Still, it's good that you pointed that out. I mean, uh, for the others...
Many thanks!
Harv
Post by: Diana on August 01, 2003, 12:25:06 PM
hi Harv,words..sometimes hard to make sense out of them.
I thought you were saying you couldn't see that link because it was a pop-up and therefore blocked by Safari.
I understand now. Thanks for accepting my explanation anyway.
Post by: pendragon on August 01, 2003, 12:42:51 PM
My subsequent comment (where I said that I knew/understood what you said...) was meant to be a bit of irony, because in truth, I was totally clueless. Oh my shame…
BTW, I will continue working on a way to BIOB!
Harv
Post by: Diana on August 01, 2003, 01:07:54 PM
and I'm usually so good at irony/sarcasm.
How about I stick my leg across the aisle and trip Bernie next time he passes by. You slap the BIOB sign on his back while he's down and we're all set.
ya Bernie.. 
Post by: SnowWitch on August 01, 2003, 05:43:45 PM
On the p.c. I have the MSN8 browser opened and IE 6.0.2 and I don't even see the text link at all in either of them. I have one more browser to open on the iBook (that is MSN8 for Macs)...trish
Post by: Bill on August 01, 2003, 05:58:48 PM
After playing around resizing the window, I got the gif [above], car and I think a blank black background.
Post by: weldiger on August 01, 2003, 10:40:45 PM
Here is what I got on OS 9.2.2
August 1, 2003 11:30 pm
with Netscape 7.0, I get static at the top and you can scroll down and get the Cooper again, but never shows entry form
earlier with iCab, I got only static,
now I get static at the top, and the whole Cooper in the middle, and black at the bottom with part of entry form showing in the black section
Now IE loads the static, and then shows the Cooper
and has entry form super imposed on the Cooper
Opera loads static, and then shows the Cooper
and has entry form super imposed on the Cooper
Opera goes to rules
Mozilla flashed the car, then loaded static, and has part of the Cooper at the bottom, but never shows entry form
Netscape Communicator 4.7
loads the Cooper, then brief static, then goes to black, and you can scroll down and get the Cooper again, but never shows entry form
And I thought there were standards for browsers ect!
wd
Post by: Epaminondas on August 02, 2003, 08:47:22 AM
Mozilla Firebird 0.6 (aka "Phoenix" - preferred browser) - 1/2 second of a yellow car in the upper left 1/4 of the monitor image, followed by monitor being completely filled with a rapidly moving gray and white "television static" background. Attempts at scrolling with arrow keys had no effect with this or any of the other browsers. Turning off pop-up blocking and trying again had no effect.
Mozilla 1.4 - 1/2 second of a yellow car in the upper left 1/4 of the monitor image, followed by stationary gray and white "carpet" background. Interesting that Mozilla again gave a different result than Mozilla Firebird (aka Phoenix).
Galeon 1.2.11 - 1/4 second quick flash of a yellow car in the upper left 1/4 of the monitor image, followed by stationary gray and white "carpet" background. Identical results as Mozilla: believe that Galeon is based either on Mozilla or on the same "gecko" engine.
Konqueror 3.0.5a-4 Red Hat - Yellow Cooper with entry material in top left half of screen. Fill in with data, hit < submit >, went to second screen to register name and address, went to third screen which said <Thank you for registering with Peel . . . >
Looks like I may win that Cooper by default . . .
Interesting that Apple's Safari browser is based on Konqueror, the only browser that worked on this site. I may try Konqueror first in the future on recalcitrant web sites.
Could this mean liberation from IE?
Regards,
Epaminondas
Post by: Bernie on August 02, 2003, 11:07:49 PM
The Sticker on my front chest states, "Will Work for Nothing" LOL
Post by: Xairbusdriver on August 03, 2003, 03:26:16 PM
And even the 'same' browser for different platforms may show things differently with the same code. I'm pretty pessimistic about ever seeing this mess cleaned up. Most people seem to care not about the standards as long as they get what they want for their project up and running. And if it is only viewable on a PC platform, so what! The government has made a few feeble steps into the quiclsand by creating 'viewability' standards. but unless the site needs to be viewed/used by some government agency, many don't care to fix those problems.
Since anyone with a text editor can 'create' a web page, don't expect things to improve soon. And then there are those who refuse to learn any code, relying on a WYSIWYG editor to do all the work. It would be more like 'You get what you pay for." except that these programs usually cost 10 to 20 times what a decent text editor costs! It's more like the inverse of that 'law.'
Oh well, need to step down off the soap box, it's raining and the vestages of soap are making my footing less than secure!
Jim C.
Post by: krissel on August 04, 2003, 03:31:14 AM
Using IE 5.1.7 on 9.1 I got the image of the car, then a texture filling the small window, then it resized larger, I heard two car beeps and the window went back to the smaller size with the image of the car and the blocks to fill in info. Weird.
I filled in some info then clicked submit and got another page asking for shipping info, address, etc. I did not fill that in. Clicking on the rules got this page.
Seems to be just another way to gather spam and junk mail addresses.
Post by: RHPConsult on August 04, 2003, 06:43:41 AM
From deep in the "rainforests" of SE O-HI-O, I git wot Diana got . . .
QUOTE
. . . I saw a quick flash of a car picture, then the whole window looks like an animated mass of static.
. . . except I'm using NS 7.0.2 on my Pismo w/10.2.6. The Cooper was the first display, followed by the carpet . . and more carpet . . . and more carpet.
Please, however, let me know where I go to pick up my new car!
As to the Diana<-->Pendragon exchange, I never know what Harv's asayin'
Hi, Bernie!
News of the day is that Earthlink has installed a server in Coshocton, OH.
Post by: Xairbusdriver on August 04, 2003, 10:14:10 PM
CODE
<script>self.resizeTo( 700, 405 );</script>
And a lot of other scripts that make sure valid info has been entered.
Also see the line that has the 'beep' .wav file.
I suspect any problems are caused by the following line:
CODE
<div name="static" id="static" style="position:absolute; top:0; left:0; width:100%; height:100%; z-index:2;" align="center" >
The 100% values apply to the 700 by 405 pixel window, z-index brings it to the front (I think the self.focus command would do the same thing). But the name= and id= part may be confusing to any CSS capable/compliant browser. The reason is that I see no link or input from any external style sheet. Nor is there any CSS definitions any where else in the page. And that's where the name and id would have been defined! Lacking the definitions, your browser may just dump the .gif to your screen. Actually, there is another similar line, again with an undefined name and id.
Also see some javascript looking at the browser type being used, not sure what it is doing except to alter the page for IE4. Shouldn't affect others.
That's my guess, anyway...
Notice that Richard (and Lillian) are in OHIO! Folks in the East should take note and especially anyone near a new house in North Carolina!
BTW, you guys have a free stay in the backwaters of Memphis, should you be coming back on I-40! E-mail me for phone number, directions.
Jim C.