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Title: Calculater & default area
Post by: Kruser on August 08, 2003, 11:12:28 AM
I have a G4 ,933, 9.2.2. On this and a older model the calculater shows a error 5. Try these 2. 1.6970-1.6937 and  1.6243-1.6193. Does anybody else have the same problem?. Is there a fix?.
 The other problem is the Default Area Folder, Macintosh HD: System Folder: Preferences: Open Transport Preferences. There are four digit numberslike 1000, some  
5 digit numbers like 26000 and -26000.
  What are they ,  what are they for and do you trash them or what?. Thanks for your time. Thinking.gif
Title: Calculater & default area
Post by: pendragon on August 08, 2003, 11:33:53 AM
Kruser, If it's any solace, those calculator errors (still) exist [in the Advanced mode] in 10.2.6. I saw the explanation for it once --seemed to relate to how calculators were first programmed, but I am just not sure. No doubt Tacit knows.

On the plus side, this problem has nothing to do with your machine; or it's operator. rolleyes.gif

Now, re that issue with OT, I haven't a clue. Sorry.

Harv
Title: Calculater & default area
Post by: pendragon on August 09, 2003, 12:34:40 PM
A bit more research on the calculator problem (as if I understand any of it) --

Binary representation of fractions is not entirely accurate. Binary uses powers of 2. Each digit of a binary number represents the coefficient of 2^i for bit position i (numbering starts at 0 for the position immediately to the left of the radix point and increase to the left and decrease to the right).

In English (sorta): Each fraction must be represented by some combination of whose denominators are powers of 2 and whose numerators are either 0 or 1. Not all fractions can be represented in this manner with 100% accuracy. Even those that can may require more bits than the standard 32-bit and 64-bit IEEE 754 formats for floating point numbers. Thus, some accuracy is lost as the bits are truncated to fit into the formats.

The IEEE 754 32-bit single-precision floating point numbers use 1 bit for the sign, 8 bits for the excess-127 representation of the exponent (with 00000000 and 11111111 being reserved for special cases), and 23 bits for the base-2 fraction. There is an implied 1 to the left of the binary point.

The 64-bit double-precision floating point numbers use 1 bit for the sign, 11 bits for the excess-1023 representation of the exponent (with all 0's and all 1's being reserved for special cases) and 52 bits for the floating point representation of the base-2 fraction.

Thus, if one subtracts .1 and then subtracts .9 from 1.0, the answer is 0. clap.gif

But, if one subtracts .9 and then subtracts .1 from 1.0, the answer is -2.775558e-17. wallbash.gif  

Maybe someone who really understands this will rise to the occasion...

Suffice it to say, I just BIOB! whistling.gif

Harv
Title: Calculater & default area
Post by: Kruser on August 09, 2003, 06:35:14 PM
Thanks pendragon. I'm drinking to THAT!.  No answers anyone on the default area?. You all have it. sweatingbullets.gif
Title: Calculater & default area
Post by: kelly on August 09, 2003, 08:01:31 PM
Kruser. I looked and I have a Folder full of numbers also. smile.gif

Can't find out what they're for.

Obviously connecting to Network/ISP but exactly I don't know.

Maybe tacit knows?

Only close reference was:

"With Sherlock I determined that the only item that is updated at those  times is a folder named Private located in Preferences -> Open Transport  Preferences -> Default Area.  The folder Private contains nothing in it,  not even invisible files.  The updating occurs even with Appletalk  inactive and without a TCP connection.  If I delete the folder, a new is  created at the next 15 minute interval."

http://www.macopinion.com/columns/roadwarr...rrior/01/10/01/

Related to something here no doubt.

Open Transport: TCP/IP Configuration

http://www.greensand.net/setupdocs/DSL/App...nfiguration.htm

Leave them alone I'd say. smile.gif
Title: Calculater & default area
Post by: Bill on August 09, 2003, 08:42:29 PM
Just checked my default Kruser.
I've 14. None are a like.
Title: Calculater & default area
Post by: Mrious_be on August 10, 2003, 06:54:13 AM
I need to go back to college for this one ohmy.gif