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Safari 15 is now available. I have read positive and negative comments and would like some feedback from this forum before upgrading. Any reactions?
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Haven't made the upgrade yet. Here are some comments from TidBITS-Talk (https://talk.tidbits.com/t/safari-15/16709):
... absolutely hate having the Favorites Bookmarks under the tabs...
...One thing that I found to be a necessity was to go to Safari->Preferences->General and turn off ‘Show color in tab bar’...
I currently have 27 tabs set. I can't imagine what a horrible bunch of colors the Tab Bar would look like with that many possible colors! Even less useful than using the seven colors for files/messages/folders/volumes in Finder/Mail/etc. :wallbash:
Saw a screen capture of the new Safari Prefs. Seems there is a changed "Tab" option that doesn't sound good to me: "Automatically collapse tab titles into icons". That was previously "Show website icons in tabs". I've never liked icons for displaying real/useful info; big ones are space wasters, tiny ones are too difficult to differentiate/'read'/translate. :confused: Just something to watch for, not sure if this is a new default or just a label text change. :dntknw:
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After updating my clones as backups, I installed Safari 15. Everything seems to be working fine; no problems with financial websites (as has been reported with Safari 15 and Catalina).
I tried toggling "Automatically collapse tab titles into icons" and didn't see any difference, at least so far. I disabled "Show color in tab bar" and selected "Separate" from Tab layout (all of these are in the Tabs preference pane in Safari > Preferences). The last lets me have the toolbar and tab bar separate instead of combined. The Favorites bar is now beneath the Tab bar instead of on top (I can't imagine a good reason for this, but the Apple gods are inscrutable).
I haven't experimented with the other features yet but SWMBO dislikes change. Hopefully, my marriage will survive.
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I was reading this, thinking "huh??" and then realized I was using Chrome. Chrome has the tabs on top, then the address bar and then the favourites. I have no difficulty with it - obviously - since I'd really not registered that it was different from Safari...LOL! I use Chrome and Firefox most of the time for website development - and when browsing the web, Safari tends to have more issues with any sites that are badly coded, in my experience.
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I noticed the following changes in Safari 15, compared to 14:
1. In Safari > Preferences > Passwords, the interface is different. If you want to view a password, you don't click the dots but simply hover the mouse over them. The password shows, but the background is dark, making it difficult to read (perhaps a security feature to make it harder for people looking over your shoulder?). Also, the Passwords preference window does not time out as it did in 14.
2. I have (actually, my wife) many pinned tabs. Opening several new, unpinned, tabs moves them aside so it is easier to see the tabs that are open. This solves an issue that I always had in 14. Of course, getting my wife to unpin tabs is slightly easier than achieving peace in the Middle East. The colors of the pinned tabs are brighter, making it easier to see them.
3. The open tab is now darkened, making it easier to determine which one is open.
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#3. Yes, just the reverse of older versions. I always love flip-flops, keeps life entertaining. :wallbash: At least the background has more contrast than in v14. :dntknw:
#2. Also love the way tiny tabs start overlapping like a deck of cards, 'conveniently' making it nearly impossible on click on any of the slightly visible tabs. I suspect the "designers" always keep windows as wide as their screen. :blink:
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I just spotted this: Apple delivers Safari 15.1 beta for macOS Big Sur and Catalina (https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/10/02/apple-delivers-safari-151-beta-for-macos-big-sur-and-catalina) I have no other information about any changes to Safari.
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1. In Safari > Preferences > Passwords, the interface is different. If you want to view a password, you don't click the dots but simply hover the mouse over them. The password shows, but the background is dark, making it difficult to read (perhaps a security feature to make it harder for people looking over your shoulder?).
The problem with readability of passwords can be alleviated by going to System Preferences > Accessibility > Display and unchecking Increase contrast As it turns out, I prefer to increase contrast so, unless this becomes critical, I'll keep it that way.
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I just spotted this: Apple delivers Safari 15.1 beta for macOS Big Sur and Catalina (https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/10/02/apple-delivers-safari-151-beta-for-macos-big-sur-and-catalina) I have no other information about any changes to Safari.
SWMBO's Safari 15 Catalina, started having issues with a particular financial website.No issues with Firefox and my old OSX High Sierra. I chased around the various forums and Apple support sites trying what solutions were discussed with NO help. Decided to wait until 15.1 or at least until Monterey settles in and hope the gremlins go away. :wallbash:
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My financial websites are not having any issues with Safari 15 and Big Sur. Is the problem only with a specific site? If so, might it be conflicting with any extensions that you have? To test this, disable extensions via the Develop menu when you access that site. If the Develop menu is not showing, you can enable it via Safari > Preferences > Advanced. The check box to show Develop in the menu bar is at the bottom of the window.
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My financial websites are not having any issues with Safari 15 and Big Sur. Is the problem only with a specific site? If so, might it be conflicting with any extensions that you have? To test this, disable extensions via the Develop menu when you access that site. If the Develop menu is not showing, you can enable it via Safari > Preferences > Advanced. The check box to show Develop in the menu bar is at the bottom of the window.
Thx, Will give that a shot. So far there is only one site she has complained about. (Unfortunately she does not have that many financial sites to visit.) :laughhard:
Daryl
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For traditionalists: New Safari 15.1 beta for macOS Big Sur and Catalina reverts to standard tab design (https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/10/21/new-safari-151-beta-for-macos-big-sur-and-catalina-reverts-to-standard-tab-design)
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“Always keep ‘em guessing!” :laughhard: :wallbash:
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My financial websites are not having any issues with Safari 15 and Big Sur. Is the problem only with a specific site? If so, might it be conflicting with any extensions that you have? To test this, disable extensions via the Develop menu when you access that site. If the Develop menu is not showing, you can enable it via Safari > Preferences > Advanced. The check box to show Develop in the menu bar is at the bottom of the window.
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Thx, Will give that a shot. So far there is only one site she has complained about. (Unfortunately she does not have that many financial sites to visit.) :laughhard:
Daryl
Jon: No Joy. Disabled extensions. Still not able to log into the website. Not a total disaster as there is a plan "B" which does work.
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Have you tried the "Show settings for this website" icon? It looks like a gear. Uncheck Content Blockers and see if that makes a difference.
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Well, that is interesting. The box was checked. Unchecked it no joy. Relaunched Safari, box unchecked still no joy. HOWEVER the site works IF I toggle the "check/uncheck" box while Safari is attempting to open the site. I have tried it several times and it is consistent. Restarted and it is still consistent. Does not matter if it is checked or unchecked the website does not open on the initial attempt.
Daryl :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wallbash:
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Have you tried the "Show settings for this website" icon?
Are you talking about the web site specific Safari menu? It changes to "Settings for [name of web site domain]..." It is just a menu item under the main Safari menu, there's no "icon" or even a keyboard shortcut. But it does open a dialog that has the checkbox for 'Content Blocking' and a few other things. :dntknw:
Perhaps a screen shot showing that "...settings for this website" icon would help those of us with older eyes! :blink: :blush-anim-cl:
Daryl, If you have the Develop menu enabled, you might try changing the "User Agent" (second item from the top). In Safari 15.0, I can select two in version 14 and four in version 13. That might indicate if it is a problem specific to version 15. That would be great to add to any Apple Bug Report. :thumbup:
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Are you talking about the web site specific Safari menu? It changes to "Settings for [name of web site domain]..." It is just a menu item under the main Safari menu, there's no "icon" or even a keyboard shortcut. But it does open a dialog that has the checkbox for 'Content Blocking' and a few other things.
Yes, that's what I meant. You have to look at what I meant, rather than what I said (my wife has the same fault). :whistling:
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Frankly, I didn't even know about that 'trick'! I'm guessing that the 'settings' for a specific site over-rides the Safari Prefs-Websites 'general' (ON/OFF) settings for Content Blockers, Reader, Page Zoom and all the other details. But that "Settings for..." menu is a nice summary to have.
Being (mostly) human, we often revert to meanings that are foreign to the binary behavior of computers. It's taken me too long to understand that life is hardly ever 'yes/no', 'true/false'... There are usually more than just two sides to every question/problem/opinion. :Thinking: :coolio:
Unless you are married, then we know things are much easier to decipher! :rofl: :laughhard: :yahoo:
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And if it weren't for marriage, most men would never realize that they have faults. :thanx: