Post by: dns on October 12, 2003, 06:14:36 AM
Just signed up
Wonder if anyone can help before I part with any money?
I have an iBook that I want to network with my Performa 5260 [with PDS ethernet card]. Do I need an ethernet router or simply a [cheaper] ethernet hub? I ask this because I've read that in Jag, by turning on Internet Sharing, it does away with the need for a router.
I want to be able to share files and share the Internet between the two computers.
Your advice eagerly awaited
David
Post by: pendragon on October 12, 2003, 07:09:47 AM
to TS David. Glad to meet you. I use an Airport to file share between a DP 800 and PB G3, but have never internet shared. So I too am eager to learn the answer. There is indeed an option in Jag for internet sharing, but I do not know the extent to which each machine must use Jag. No doubt someone will soon drop by to resolve this issue. BTW, what OSs are you using on your iBook and Performa?
Several of your countrymen are active participants of this place and are a most engaging and delightful lot.
Harv
Post by: jepinto on October 12, 2003, 07:26:02 AM
One of the best resources for networking is Three Macs and A Printer
File Sharing
Sharing an Internet Connection
Comparision shopping A lot of rebates and incentives out there.
Firewall 101
As to Jag's firewall, I'll leave that to those more knowledgeable, I'm just learning.
Post by: dns on October 12, 2003, 09:05:29 AM
QUOTE(jepinto @ Oct 12 2003, 7:26 AM)
is Three Macs and A Printer
File Sharing
Sharing an Internet Connection
As to Jag's firewall, I'll leave that to those more knowledgeable, I'm just learning.
File Sharing
Sharing an Internet Connection
As to Jag's firewall, I'll leave that to those more knowledgeable, I'm just learning.
Thanks for the welcome
I love this about the Mac community - so many people ready to help out.
Had a look at the 3 Macs ... site and it could prove v helpful for what I want to do.
I suppose I could risk buying a hub on a 'work or return' basis with a view to using the Jag Internet sharing option to start with.
David
Post by: dns on October 12, 2003, 09:18:45 AM
QUOTE(pendragon @ Oct 12 2003, 7:09 AM)
There is indeed an option in Jag for internet sharing, but I do not know the extent to which each machine must use Jag. No doubt someone will soon drop by to resolve this issue. BTW, what OSs are you using on your iBook and Performa?
Several of your countrymen are active participants of this place and are a most engaging and delightful lot.
Several of your countrymen are active participants of this place and are a most engaging and delightful lot.
Thanks for the warm welcome, Harv
and may I say you colonials are ok too 
Mac support in the UK is pretty limited compared to the US though certainly better than it was although we don't have nearly the number of retail outlets there are in the US - one of the biggest computer outlets, PC World, reluctantly has a Mac section: their iMac is running osX 10.1 and the software section [one rack] had a couple of pieces of utility software on display and some misfiled PC ones
C'est la vie. I do my bit to spread mac advocacy at every opportunity!As to the OS's I'm using: OSX 10.2.1 on my iBook and OS9.1 on the Performa. They quite happily network directly using a simple crossover cable connection.
Maybe someone who has tried the jag Internet sharing option will drop by as you suggest.
Regards,
David
BTW, love these emoticons
Post by: bobw on October 12, 2003, 09:24:00 AM
http://www.buy.com/retail/computers/produc...235958&loc=7074
Do some searching for routers to find the best prices.
Post by: kelly on October 12, 2003, 09:26:25 AM
Is this on Dial Up or Broadband?
Internet Sharing a Breeze in OS X
http://www.lowendmac.com/x-basics/03/0407.html
Mac OS: How to Connect to the Internet and Share Files Locally at the Same Time
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106919
Mac OS X 10.2: Sharing Your Internet Connection
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107484
Mac OS X 10.2: Internet Sharing Refers to Missing "Option Below
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107139
Post by: Gary S on October 12, 2003, 09:40:08 AM
dns! This thread may help.Hub or Router
There are some more theads dealing with this too. You can do a seach for routers on the right upper side of the TS page.
I personally ended up getting a D-Link router and an Ethernet Cat5 cable and connected my G4, running OSX.2.6 and my G3, running OS9.1 together with the ethernet cable. The computers are in separate rooms so I ran the cable down in my basement and up through the floor to each computer. It works well with the router. It has a built-in firewall. I can share files and the Internet(Cable). Works great.
I don't know how mobile you are with your iBook. If you are moving around with it then it may pay to go wireless.
Good luck!
Post by: dns on October 12, 2003, 09:58:16 AM
Thanks for all the warm welcomes
There's loads of information to be going on with here - the links are particularly appreciated.Once again, thanks to everyone.
David
ps: I hope I will be in a position to recipricate (?) soon - I have been around computers for 20+ years and use both Macs and PCs on a daily basis. But I am no *techie* just an average user whose many mistakes over the years may help others
Post by: kelly on October 12, 2003, 10:19:42 AM
I agree with everyone else. Get a Router.
Pretty cheap here.
http://dealmac.com/sections/networking.html
Post by: Bill on October 12, 2003, 02:18:14 PM
In your case, I agree with getting a router.
I use airport myself for file sharing between 'puters.
Did use (or still can) use ethernet between them.
Internet sharing: normally use my two cans and a string dial up for the towers.
Airport for the powerbook.
Suppose I could use airport with any of them considering I've the airport extreme that has a built in modem.
Never gave it much thought.
With your internet access ... I'd take the router road. If I were in your shoes that is.
My shoes .. we won't go there. They're outside airing out.
Post by: dns on October 12, 2003, 03:44:17 PM
Thanks again for all the good advice
Regards,
David
Post by: jepinto on October 12, 2003, 04:22:23 PM
Let me see what I can ind again...especially if it includes my mind.
Post by: dns on October 12, 2003, 05:10:00 PM
QUOTE(Gary S @ Oct 12 2003, 9:40 AM)
This thread may help.Hub or Router
Just read the 'hub or router' thread - excellent! Explained the difference very well and I now understand the difference, and the advantages, of using a router over a hub.
Just a final confusion
With a router, I *don't* need to set up Internet sharing on the gateway machine as the router splits the data stream intelligently - right?David
Post by: krissel on October 13, 2003, 10:33:42 PM
I'm going to be setting up a similar sharing use soon as well and I believe you are correct in your assumption. If not someone will say so in a while. I think most of the TS crowd is watching the series' (baseball) games on the telly and will show up later...then again, you're probably asleep now anyway.
If nothing else, this will bump to the top.
Post by: dns on October 14, 2003, 07:16:05 AM
QUOTE(krissel @ Oct 13 2003, 10:33 PM)
I'm going to be setting up a similar sharing use soon as well and I believe you are correct in your assumption. If not someone will say so in a while. I think most of the TS crowd is watching the series' (baseball) games on the telly and will show up later...then again, you're probably asleep now anyway.
If nothing else, this will bump to the top.
If nothing else, this will bump to the top.
Thanks for the welcome, Krissel!
Let me know how you get on with your sharing - it could be a while before I go ahead: funds!
Ah, baseball! As a kid in Toronto, we played baseball in the summer and ice-hockey in the winter: they just put a fence around our school playground and flooded it for the rink [Go, Maple Leafs
]But I came back to England and muddy soccer pitches and muddy weather! Oh well
David
Post by: bobw on October 14, 2003, 08:11:25 AM
QUOTE
Just a final confusion With a router, I *don't* need to set up Internet sharing on the gateway machine as the router splits the data stream intelligently - right?
This is correct.
Post by: Gary S on October 14, 2003, 08:12:41 AM
QUOTE
Just a final confusion huh.gif With a router, I *don't* need to set up Internet sharing on the gateway machine as the router splits the data stream intelligently - right?
That's right David you don't need to. The router does all the work as far as splitting the data stream.
I'm still amazed at how well it works. My son can be on one computer playing a game over the internet and I can be on the other computer surfing the internet and neither of us experience any lag......truly amazing.