Post by: jcarter on October 31, 2003, 12:48:17 PM
Is it possible this is being phased out?
I don't need to download music, I just like to listen while I am using Photoshop Elements.
Used to love the Blues(especially the stations with no commercials), but all, every single one, of 'my' Blues stations are not on my iTunes list any more.
I am still using 9.2.2 and iTunes 1.0.1
How do you add stations if this is possible?
Kerbango or something like that pops up when I open iTunes.
Thank you, Jane
Post by: jepinto on October 31, 2003, 04:53:08 PM
But, like you, I'd like to know how to add back stations.
I WANT MY BLUES!!!
Post by: jcarter on October 31, 2003, 05:34:03 PM
I really enjoyed listening to those stations, as most of them had no or almost no commercials and really good music.
I do have an extensive blues collection of 33 rpms(and some 45s) oh here I go dating myself, some old blues 78s! I have transferred all of them to tape. And I have plenty of CDs. All I want to do is be able to listen to the random new stuff.
Lets see what some of the experts here say, because there must be some way to get the blues back on iTunes(or some other player thingie).
Jane
Post by: beacher on October 31, 2003, 07:11:06 PM
Post by: pendragon on October 31, 2003, 07:40:16 PM
http://www.live365.com/index.live
Harv
Post by: jcarter on November 01, 2003, 06:52:46 AM
I wonder if there is any way to just add stations, and not upgrade my iTunes. That is all I want to do. iTunes 1.0.1 works perfectly for me.
I have several friends in the same boat, this seems so frustrating, just to want to listen to our good old blues.
The list you sent us Radio 365 looks as if they have some good ones, all we need to do is get the doggone stations into our iTunes.
Thanks again, Jane
Post by: kelly on November 01, 2003, 09:53:57 AM
You might want to make a new Playlist. Like "Added Radio Staions".
These directions are for OS X but I think it works the same for OS 9.x
"Choose Open Stream from the Advanced menu in iTunes.
Enter the full URL of the file you want to listen to."
(Copy and Paste works).
Then Add this to your Library.
There should be some more Radio Stations mentioned in the Archives.
I'll try to find some later.
Post by: jcarter on November 01, 2003, 10:38:01 AM
I will get started on this in the afternoon, there was a particular Texas Blues station that was awesome. I will add them too when I remember what they were called.
Thanks again,
Jane
Post by: Bruce_F on November 01, 2003, 12:01:53 PM
TastyCast has more streaming radio station listings than any place I have seen.
All the stations I listen to are free and/or ask for donations.
I'm listening to streaming audio as I type this message!
Post by: jcarter on November 01, 2003, 02:26:52 PM
http://www.paradynamic.ca/
Here is the Shoutcast station that we liked the best,
http://yp.shoutcast.com/index.phtml?s=blue...te=any&x=32&y=9
I reduced the URL in case it won't work being so long, I use tinyurl company to do this.
http://tinyurl.com/t9y3
I still am having trouble getting it into iTunes, but I sure will keep on trying! and trying, and trying,,,,,,,,,
Jane
Post by: jcarter on November 01, 2003, 02:34:14 PM
I sure would prefer iTunes, I did love the iTunes display, but if RealPlayer works, so be it.
If you like real Blues, this is the one; ParaDynamic Roadhouse. No talk or commercials.
But I will keep on trying to get iTunes to work,,,,,,
Thanks,
Jane
Post by: Bruce_F on November 01, 2003, 02:42:17 PM
I don't have RealPlayer. When I visited the shoutcast site and tried one of their links, it opened in iTunes.
TastyCast has links for each format they support, so it's easy to pick the MP3 links.
Post by: jcarter on November 01, 2003, 03:33:26 PM
How would someone make iTunes their default music player?
Will keep working on this,,,,,,,
Thanks for your continuing help, there are several of us with this problem.
Jane
Post by: jcarter on November 03, 2003, 06:19:07 PM
but we can get everything to play using the basic RealPlayer.
I guess iTunes is beyond our ability to add Blues stations, we are at a roadblock. It was nice,,,,,,,,,,when it worked.
I wonder if there would be anyone at Apple who could help us, but so far they ignore us.
For a great computer, their tech support for their goodies really is lacking.
I suppose we will give up, and I was thinking of purchasing an iPod, ,,,Oh well,,,,
Thanks anyway, Jane+friends
Post by: Bruce_F on November 03, 2003, 06:46:10 PM
A document doesn't open with the application I selected
In the Finder, you can use the "Open with" pane in the Info window to select an application to open all the documents of the same type and created by the same application as the selected document.
A document of the same type as the original but created with a different application will not open in the application you selected.
To open this document with the application you want to use
1. In the Finder, select the document and choose File > Get Info.
2. In the Info window, click to show the "Open with" pane.
3. Choose the application you want to open the document from the pop-up menu.
4. If you want all documents that are like this one to open with the same application, click Change All.
Post by: jcarter on November 03, 2003, 07:32:27 PM
No options to choose what we would like to have it open with.
Will keep trying, as this is incredible frustrating,,,,
Listing with RealPlayer now.
Thanks again, Jane
Post by: jcarter on November 04, 2003, 02:43:37 PM
I have tried all ways to get the stations into iTunes, and it wont work for me, (os 9.2.2)
Also heard that Apple was having a slight problem with their iTunes.
Nobody knows for sure, but I did e-mail Apple, and have had no response. I would assume that no response, means that there is trouble there. Otherwise wouldn't they respond with some advice?
It will be interesting if they can fix it, as I think that iTunes is a really nice thing, and it would be in Apples best interest to have it working well.
Jane
Post by: Bruce_F on November 04, 2003, 04:04:29 PM
I just now opened iTunes v4.1 on my computer running OS 10.3 (Panther).
I saw Blues in the Radio list. So I clicked on it.
It disappeared! 
That's strange...
I get the feeling that Blues was just absorbed into the main list. I went through all the toggles and updated the list of stations. There's a lot of music available, but it looks like you just have to keep checking until you find something you like... and then put that one into a favorite catagory.
Post by: jcarter on November 04, 2003, 06:38:43 PM
iTunes is under a strange spell, Blues go away,,,,,,,
This is sooooo interesting, it will be fun to see what the real problem is, it might take a while, but a lot of people are looking at this.
My ISP has great music on their TV end of things, and when I talked with their tech support this afternoon, they were very interested in having this streaming music that is available on the TV part, on their website, and available to the computer people.
They are working on this and I was lucky and just happened to talk with someone who must have some insight into this and some good info.
That would be really nice, as they have the same streaming music, non-commercial endless good stuff in whatever genre you dial up.
It is on their future menu,,,,,,
Jane
Post by: jcarter on November 05, 2003, 10:12:14 AM
Here are his instructions,,,,
Hey, Jane, I just went to that URL you listed and clicked on the station you recommended. Safari downloaded a
*.pls file. I opened it in a text editor, found the URL for the station (http://205.188.234.38:8014) entered that
in Advanced-->Open Stream and it started playing.
Then I selected File-->Show Current Song, and dragged it into my playlist of favorite radio stations. Now I can
open and close iTunes and that station still shows up every time. I'm on iTunes 4.1 on Panther (10.3) if that
makes a difference.
Cool station, by the way! It's playing now.
Wonderful!
Jane
Post by: jepinto on November 05, 2003, 01:44:34 PM
Post by: jcarter on November 05, 2003, 03:50:30 PM
You can see why I was heartbroken when it vanished, and how happy I am, now that we got it back.
Edit, I need to know how to get the numeric version of a URL, if I decide to add more stations. I can't seem to make it work.
I don't have Safari.
Any ideas how to get the numeric URL from a regular one? Would be kind of a neat thing to know how to do anyway.
Jane
Post by: tacit on November 06, 2003, 05:28:53 PM
QUOTE(jcarter @ Oct 31 2003, 6:48 PM)
I used to listen to the iTunes a lot, but recently I have noticed that my list of available stations are far fewer than before.
Is it possible this is being phased out?
Is it possible this is being phased out?
In a manner of speaking, yes.
To understand what is happening, you must first understand the Recording Industry Association of America, or RIAA.
The RIAA represents all the major labels. Its primary interest is control.
Many people do not know this, but to a large extent, the RIAA tries to control what artists become hits, and what artists do not. The RIAA tells radio stations what music to play--most radio stations do not create their own playlists. The RIAA controls advertising and promotion for bands.
The RIAA opposes both peer-to-peer file trading and Internet radio. It does this not because they lose money by doing it, though the RIAA will claim that this is the case; rather, it's about control.
Why do record labels exist?
That's a deceptively simple question, and it's worth repeating.
Why do record labels exist?
Let's say I have a band. I want to cut an album. If I sign a standard recording contract, I will probably never see so much as a dime from record sales. (Contrary to popular belief, most bands never profit from album sales, unless the album is a huge hit. 100% of the album sales go to the label.)
I only see money from concert tours and ancillary sales (T-shirts and the like).
So why on Earth would I sign with a label? Why do record labels exist?
Record labels exist because in the days of vinyl records, it cost right around $100,000 to cut the master for an album and set up production--not including studio time, engineering, and other production costs.
Most artists could never afford it. Most artists, unless they were already wealthy, could never hope to shell out the $100 grand it'd cost to produce a record, much less the cost to warehouse it, distribute it, and so on. They NEEDED to have a record label. Only the label could afford the up-front cost of releasing an album.
Enter the age of the compact disc. It costs about $1,000 to master and produce a CD, complete with cover art, jewel box, and the whole kit. CD production costs about 37 cents apiece in quantity. These costs are easily within the grasp of most people; you do not need the financial capital of a record label in order to produce your own album.
But nobody will BUY the album if they don't know about the album.
So you are still stuck. You have to sign with a record label, because the record labels control what gets distributed in stores and what gets played on the radio.
Enter the Internet. With MP3s and internet radio, now you can make your own CD, AND you can market it, and reach a huge audience...in fact, it is possible for an average person, with no financial clout behind him and only average resources, to record an album, master the album, promote the album, and get it out to listeners--without the record labels![/i]
THAT is what it's about. That is what terrifies the labels.
The labels, in a world of Internet radio and MP3 downloads, are no longer necessary. No more yachts. No more private jets. No more $500,000 houses for their mistresses.
So the record labels fought back. They have been hard at work shutting down internet radio stations, by getting Congress to pass a law requiring that Internet radio stations pay a "royalty fee' to the RIAA, or stop broadcasting. While this fee is only a few thousand dollars, most internet radio stations are run out of a closet by someone not making one cent from them, so the cost is absolutely prohibitive. When faced with a choice--Pay us a few thousand dollars, or shut down--mant small Internet radio stations shut down.
The ones left are more easily controlled. They are larger, and some of them are for-profit. Because of that, the RIAA can go to them and say "We will waive your royalty fees, if you agree to play the songs we tell you to play."
It's about control. Nothing more, nothing less. Ultimately, the goal of the RIAA is to make sure that you never, ever listen to a single song unless they approved it and picked it first.
Post by: jcarter on November 06, 2003, 06:45:38 PM
Is this what they used to call "Payola" or a word like this, when local stations were paid to play obscure (and awful) music years ago?
So this must be how some of the incredible awful music gets pumped out to the public, MONEY. Our local high school kids are far, far better than what you hear on commercial radio nowadays.
I am glad that you have explained this to me, as I had no clue how the music industry works.
The RIAA has to be taken out, they should never have such control when the artists themselves aren't getting paid. Maybe I should contribute to my favourite internet station! I would if asked. I do give to our PBS stations.
I only know amateur musicians, locals who have done well, but that is not their sole income.
Your information is an eye opener to me. I guess I knew that the music business was corrupt, but never knew it was so bad.
I refuse to watch professional sports, because it is all about money, they disgust me and 95% of them are sending the wrong message to our young athletes. Let their yachts sink and their planes crash and their mistresses,,,well, you know.
I will continue to listen to the Blues on internet radio, and will support them.
Thank you for this information, as it has made me aware of another side of this industry.
Shawn Fanning comes from a town about 30 miles from us, great kid!
Jane