Post by: Gary S on January 05, 2004, 04:04:41 PM
It's been a royal pain for me because of the side scrolling I have to do.
Here's the thing:
I use Netscape 7.01 on 9.1 and 7.02 on OSX.2.8.
I have to side scroll on OS9.1 but I don't have to when using X.2.8.
In otherwords it works well with 7.02 using OSX but I have to side scroll when I'm using
7.01 with 9.1 which I use at night when my son is on the OSX Quicksilver.
The site works well with Internet Explorer but I don't like Internet Explorer.
The site does not work well with Safari either....you have to side scroll with Safari.
Do any of you Website Gurus understand why this is happening?
And could some of you that have different browsers and such go to this site and see if you have to side scoll or not? When you have time.
It's not pressing, it's just driving me nuts. Sometimes the game gets that way.
When you go to the site the first page is fine. Click on the green tab at the top that says
Galleries
That's where the trouble begins with the scrolling. TIA
IBC Website
Post by: Dreambird on January 05, 2004, 04:20:55 PM
Anyway, it seems to work fine, no scrolling in Opera 5 for me. It looks like they have their "table" or whatever it's called set big... Krissel might have a better idea about that than me...
Post by: Paddy on January 05, 2004, 05:33:30 PM
I'd email the webmaster and tell him what you're seeing. It may be an easy fix.
Post by: Gary S on January 05, 2004, 06:01:49 PM
Paddy,
I'll email the webmaster and see what he says. I know that he had a hard time picking out a board that would wook with everone's browsers since there are a lot of members from the Orient to all over the world.
Can I say what you posted?
DB,
The game is kind of in my mind since I watched the movie"The Game" for the first time over the weekend. It was really tense but good.
Post by: Paddy on January 05, 2004, 06:41:18 PM
Post by: RobW on January 05, 2004, 07:08:47 PM
Post by: Mayo on January 05, 2004, 07:25:44 PM
Post by: Al on January 05, 2004, 07:59:37 PM
10.2.8, Safari & 17" monitor @ 1024x768 res., no scrolling necessary.
Post by: Xairbusdriver on January 05, 2004, 09:11:28 PM
I couldn't see the CSS either, but it probably came with the board software. And the whole directory is probably protected with a file to prevent viewing/downloading anything that he paid for. Most of the content is coming from the server anyway, and I'm sure that has all the locks secured!
Your best chance of help is probably from the woner, especially if you know him at all.
Post by: Diana on January 05, 2004, 09:40:33 PM
On linux/Mozilla set to 800 pixel screen width, I don't have any side scrolling.
Like airbusdriver, I too believe that it has more to do with your personal screen settings/font sizes than anything else. If you could put up a screen shot for us so we can see what you see, it might help.
For an experiment, try reducing your font size and see if that helps.
see ya
ps: here is the
Galleries CSS and
the Home Page CSS
Post by: krissel on January 05, 2004, 10:01:25 PM
I don't have to side scroll in IE 5.2, Netscape 7 or iCab but each had problems with that skin either in the window size or the navigation bar above.
The stylesheet is within the basic theme or skin on the server and isn't visible to the page viewer is some cases. The information for the style is located in the css and in some of the theme templates. If the person modifying the skin wants to save space they can eliminate the info which normally shows on a page source view and just leave the reference to the external css. The only way to read the css is to have access to the administration panels or have a copy of the skin with all its templates, etc.
In an attempt to write code that was quick to read and render unfortunately some browsers get a tad confused by unknown references or indeed by double references.
Some of you may remember we had a test forum up for a few weeks last spring before moving to the present one. That was a phpBB forum like the one at Gary's site. I worked for days trying to adapt some of the skins and was very frustrated because in some cases a change in the css was ignored by conflicting code elsewhere that I had to find and vice versa. While some adaptations were successful I found the Invision Board's management of code easier to follow and it didn't have a mind of its own. That's part of the reason we chose it, not to mention it had features we really liked and was easier to administer.
Now we are facing a potential upgrade which brings new changes in the php code we use so it's back to the salt mines.
OH, Gary, send the webmaster of that forum to this page so he/she can try a fix:
How to change width
Post by: Paddy on January 05, 2004, 11:00:11 PM
Worth telling the web master anyway...though from the sounds of Krissel's post, you may bear the responsibility for driving him/her insane.
Post by: Dreambird on January 06, 2004, 01:46:45 AM
QUOTE
DB,
The game is kind of in my mind since I watched the movie"The Game" for the first time over the weekend. It was really tense but good.
The game is kind of in my mind since I watched the movie"The Game" for the first time over the weekend. It was really tense but good.
Ah... OK, got'cha...
Post by: Gary S on January 06, 2004, 08:37:47 AM
Screenshot #1: When I visit the main page. It's normal and I don't have to side scroll.
Screenshot#2: After I hit the Gallery button to go to the main Gallery:
Screenshot#3:Main Gallery
Screenshot#4:After I side scroll I can read the posts.
Screenshot#5:Trying to post...haven't sidescrolled yet.
What could I do in my Netscape prefs to help from my end?
Al,
I noticed you're not having this problem w/Netscape. My screen res is at 1024X768.
My fonts are:
•Proportional—Sans Serif-size 12 pixels
•Serif—Times
•Sans-serif—Helvetica
•Cursive—Apple Chancery
•Fantasy—Gadget
•Monospaced—Geneva 12, Minimum font size 10
•Allow documents to use other fonts—is checked.,
•Display resolution—96dpi
I hope this helps.
Post by: Gary S on January 06, 2004, 08:41:00 AM
There we go. They fit on the screen.
It seems the Nic, the person working on the board must be from Australia or South of the
equator because it's Summer and a bit busy.
Post by: Al on January 06, 2004, 10:35:53 AM
That was for Safari, Gary, But I just checked with Netscape 7.1 and I still don't have to side scroll.
Post by: Gary S on January 06, 2004, 05:01:07 PM
That's on OSX right? How about OS9x?
Post by: Al on January 06, 2004, 11:46:22 PM
I just booted into 9.2.2 and tried it with Netscape 7.0.2 and had no problems. No scrolling left or right.
Did the web master correct the errors?
Post by: Paddy on January 07, 2004, 08:02:22 AM
Try changing your font size, Al - I bet you can make it happen too. You can make it happen in Mozilla 1.4 and in Netscape 7.1, too (in Panther). No matter what you do in IE, the navigation stays put over the discussion forum.
Just use the command and '+' or '-' keys to fool around with it.
Here's an interesting site on CSS compatibility in the major browsers (and it's got most of the major players in the Mac world, except Omniweb):
http://www.quirksmode.org/css/contents.html
I tried running the page through the W3C's CSS validator at:
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator-uri.html
Most of the CSS was valid - the bits that weren't were not related to positioning of elements. So my guess is that it's something that isn't yet well implemented in Safari and Mozilla/Netscape. Not sure quite what, but it's possible that there is a different way of doing it that will make it work in all browsers, at all font sizes.
Post by: Gary S on January 07, 2004, 11:29:57 AM
They haven't fixed it yet. I still get the scrolling with Safari in OSX.2.8. I don't know Al's secret. There must be something with the fonts or something else.
i'm sure they will eventually get it working over there because there are more Mac users than I thought posting at that site.
Post by: krissel on January 07, 2004, 11:46:40 AM
My screen resolution is also 1024x768, thousands of colors, 19" monitor.
Post by: Paddy on January 07, 2004, 12:57:38 PM
Post by: krissel on January 08, 2004, 12:15:24 AM
I played the font larger game with iCab and it had no trouble increasing the size and still maintaining the forum window box within the browser window.
But man does iCab screw up the home page at any size. Wow, stuff on top of stuff.
Post by: Gary S on January 08, 2004, 04:56:14 PM
I changed my fonts, in Netscape 7.01 running OS9.1, to the one's you suggested.
Guess what!....It works!!!!!!
As Bogie would say....Tanks alot sweethaart.
Now maybe someone can explain why fonts make such a difference?
Nevermind.
I'm just real happy right now. Actually I think I'm having a peek experience right now.
all you human beans!
Post by: Xairbusdriver on January 08, 2004, 10:00:22 PM
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...why fonts make such a difference?
On one hand it's font-size rather than just font-family, on the other hand, it could be that 'containers' (div's) are dimensioned with 'em's' a measurement based on the font size, on the third hand(!) it may just be the different ways different browsers handle CSS! And since I've already borrowed one hand, I'll stop there.
Seriously(!), it may also depend on how the div's are being positioned, various IE versions don't like relative versus absolute methods. Plus, margins and padding are calculated differently (incorrectly) in IE and NS/Moz. If any of these containers had both/either, they might become too large to fit in the window as happend with you. Third, it may be how the div's are deminsioned (as described above). If the fonts were too large, that would force the container (which usually size themselvs to hold whatever is put into them) to become just a little too big. And they might even become only wider, not just taller, which could cause the problems you saw.
Of course, the real problem may just be badly constructed php/code and it's interaction with all those hands laying around!
Post by: Bobun on January 08, 2004, 10:36:37 PM
Gary, glad it works for you and you are
.I'm at my folks' house now and tried the site in Safari and it reads the home page OK but I noticed on the galleries page that it is OK if the window size is kept at about the size of a 15 " monitor but as soon as the window is enlarged past that point it jumps off to the side and the side-scroll appears. Font prefs are
Times 16 for standard
Courier 13 for fixed width
Encoding Western (ISO latin1)
In IE 5.2.1 for X the home page is not right (the text is in a very skinny vertical line) but the galleries pages is fine no matter how large the window.
Settings are:
Font size 16 Resolution 96
Western (Latin 1)
Prop- Times New Roman
Sans serif-Arial
Serif-Times New Roman
Monospace-Courier New
Cursive-Brush Script MT
Fantasy-Comis Sans MS
Very curious. Now if we can figure out the commonality or difference at the crucial point we would be satisfied.
Post by: Paddy on January 09, 2004, 07:50:47 AM
So, if you want to look at the CSS for the gallery pages to see if you can spot the problems:
http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/gallerie...r/subSilver.css
The CSS for the main page:
http://internetbonsaiclub.org/ibc_green_check.css
Interestingly, I hadn't really looked at the index page in IE - it is REALLY messed up. The navigation bar text doesn't even show up at normal viewing sizes. If I increase the text size a lot, it starts to show up, but then it doesn't fit. It's ok in both Safari and Mozilla.
I am intrigued by the possibilities of CSS, but it's the continued problems with some browsers that have kept me using tables, for now, and using CSS for my font styling etc. I will start fooling around with it soon, but probably not on anything that matters until I feel that I know what I'm doing and that the results will be as desired in every common browser. That, it appears, may take some experimentation! There are a number of sites that deal with the vagaries of browser support for CSS and show what happens with fairly basic CSS positioning in different browsers. Some of it is still pretty wacky.