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Archives => 2003 => Topic started by: Gary S on March 07, 2003, 12:18:00 PM
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I was just wondering how some of you dealt with either partitioning your Hard Drives or using additional drives to deal
with having OS X.2 and OS9.2.2 on your computer System. I'll have a 60Gig hard drive to deal with. I have no idea what will be on it when I get it.
I know I want to have at least a partition with just OS9.2.2 to boot to so I can run my old apps along with Classic.
Maybe someone has a link or two.
I know this topic has been brought up before but.....I'm searching the archives.
In the meantime i thought I'd post this in case anyone has come up with better solutions.
TIA
[ 03-07-2003, 01:22 PM: Message edited by: Gary S ]
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I noticed how Petra has 3 different Volumes or drives to boot from in the Desktop thread.
Petra's Desktop with 3 Volumes
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Now this is something I would like to know as well. After my last knock down, drag out with OSX, I don't want to have to go throught it again.
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In my experience there is no problem partitioning a drive and installing whatever OS you want to on the partitions, as long as the ROM supports the OS. That includes installing OS X on one partition and an earlier OS on another partition.
All you have to do is decide how big the individual partitions will be.
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Dunno what computer you're getting Gary, but it shouldn't be a problem at all to make as many partitions you want (I have a friend with a 20GB disk and he has SEVEN partitions *giggles*).
When you get the new computer it'll have OS X and OS 9 installed on the same partition. But you can with the CD (or DVD) that comes with the computer run Disk Utilities and erase the pre-installed system, partition the harddrive and re-install the software.
Just make sure your computer will support to boot into OS 9, any model released after december 31st 2002 is not going to boot into OS 9, it'll only run Classic within OS X.
Got more questions? Ask and I'll try to help!
/Petra
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Gary, I have my 60GB drive in my Powerbook partitioned in 3 - 30GB for OS X (applications and documents), 8GB for OS 9 and the rest for "storage" - in which will be my duplicate of my OS X set up on my Sawtooth, once I get 10.2.4 installed on it. Right now, I just have the Documents folder on my Sawtooth duplicated on the Powerbook, as everything else can be reinstalled in the event of disaster.
I'm still working up to the installation of that 120GB drive in the Sawtooth (it always falls off the daily priority list!!) and will partition that into 3 probably - one big partition for X which will be the main working partition, one small one for 9, and another one for storage. May also designate a smallish (relatively speaking) for scratch disk for Photoshop. Probably something like 60-10-40-10GB... I will also reformat my 45GB IBM drive, proabably into 2 - one OS X and one OS 9 partition - with the OS X partition a backup for my OS X on the 120 GB drive. That way, I'll be backed up internally (to two different drives) but if things go really bad with the Sawtooth, the Powerbook will have everything too - which is also nice when I take it to meetings etc. I downloaded some shareware called IMSafe ($15) a few weeks ago, and apart from messing up the first backup (don't ask - user stupidity, not the software) it should help me keep everything synched. CarbonCopyCloner ($5 shareware) will do the heavy lifting when I need to copy an entire bootable volume. Not bad for a grand total of $20!
When you get your new G4, it will no doubt have everything (OS X & 9) all on one unpartitioned drive. First order of business is to wipe, partition and reinstall operating systems. That's what I did with my Powerbook. And then I did it again...wasn't happy with the first set up!
Wait 'til you try Safari and Chimera (now called "Camino" - new release as of today) on a new G4! Zooooom! I do most of my web browsing on my Powerbook right now - it's just too painful by comparison with IE on my old Sawtooth in 10.1.5. Hoping that will improve with the move to Jag, but also contemplating a 1 GHz upgrade card for the old beast. Unfortunately, a similar contemplation of my bank account isn't particularly encouraging! We'll see.
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I'm still happy with my current set-up , Gary, but have for now misplaced the thread where the 'Save' partition worked out fine (and got a new DiskWarrior disk since then).
Were I to change anything and had the extra space you've got, I'd make the OS X partition bigger.
If anybody's starting out, it was you who sent me here in the first place. An oldie but still among the besties.
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Thanks everyone.
You people are great!
Petra,
I'll be getting a QuickSilver G4-933, it's in the hands of UPS shipping right now and is on it's way. I'm excited. It is bootable in OSX and OS9.2.2, that's one the main reasons why I purchased this particular model.
I'll probably be setting it up next week some time.
I have 5 partitions on my Beige G3 right now so I'm familiar with partitioning. I am new to X.2 though and I know I'll want a 9.2.2 booting partition to fall back on while I'm experimenting.
I'd just like to measure twice and cut once, as the carpenters say. Get it as close to what I want the first time.
I was impressed with your Desktop Petra. I figured it needed another link to it.
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"I'd just like to measure twice and cut once, as the carpenters say"
Not the folks who built this stick house. Think they were more into flipping Heads or Tails.
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Gary, then there's no worries!
My 3 partitions is set up like this:
Mac OS X: 48.23 GB
Mac OS 9: 4.6 GB
Classic 9: 3 GB
The smallest is the Classic partition, I don't use it much but I want it slimmed down to boot fast. The Mac OS 9 partition is a tad larger, but it also have all the extensions etc I need to run a REAL OS 9 version with all the support for DVD, USB etc etc. The Mac OS 9 partition is also free from the Mac OS X extensions that the Classic partition has (I don't trust the interaction between the two).
To be honest I haven't booted up in OS 9 for a few weeks and I have run Classic once during the same time. I use OS X 99.99% of the time.
/Petra
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Hi Gary,
I've only got the 20 gig hard drive. I have:
OSX: 12gb
OS 9.2: 6gb
Documents/work folders (which is actually where we have our work folders--including old saved stuff from before): 2 gigs
Gary, I've been surprised to find that so far I've only booted into OS9 about 3 times. For the most part, I forget OS9 is even there.
Your mileage may vary.
Jeez, I'm getting excited for you getting the new machine. Is Sam gonna let you play with it from time to time??
[ 03-07-2003, 08:58 PM: Message edited by: RobW ]
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Gary S
I have the 933 with two partitions. 10.2.4 on approx. 50 Gigs and 9.2.2 on the other 10. I have no need to have a partition for classic. If I open 9.2.2 and click on a 9.x app, classic auto starts. Hope this helps.
Incidently; I have a 30 Gig slave drive that still has 10.1.5 and 9.2.2 on it. It has never been partitioned, but has several of my earlier apps on it going back to 8.5. I havent been there in ages, perhaps I should check and see if it is still there.
[ 03-07-2003, 10:04 PM: Message edited by: gmann ]
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Btw,did you ever find out about the cds when you called?
Basically the same as gmann here Gary S.
One partition for OS 9.2.2.
You can either boot into that partition or assign classic to head that way.
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I made my partition devoted to OS X too small, I now realize at only 6 gigs. It is one of three partitions.
Am I correct that Macs do not offer a way to resize these partitions without first zeroing out the data?
I have an external drive which I can use with enough space to move all three partitions' worth of stuff, which would let me resize, I suppose. but it seems that any move like that has consequences such as scripts no longer recognizing paths, or iTunes needing to re-import everything.
Is there an easy way?
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Unlike Windoze (I think) the only way to create a bigger partition is to reformat the drive.
Sorry 'bout that...
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Bill,
Although i have to say that dealing with the people at PowerMax was basically a good experience, when I asked about which CD's I'd be getting she didn't have a clue other than to tell me I'd be getting a copy of 9.2.2 OSX.2 and as far as the PowerMac G4 install CD, she didn't know but she guessed I would. She said she wasn't sure what Apple included and that she had no control over it anyways. I figure since I get the free 30 days from Apple I can call them and ask for one if I don't get it......wether the'll send me one is a different story. i'll let you know when it comes in.
Thanks everybody!
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Keep me informed.
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I will do that Bill.
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Gary, what do you think of the idea of not partitioning for a while? Giving it a go with classic only. I would think you're still keeping your current OS 9 machine?
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Gary, you know that I know that you know how to do it, but I remember how nervous I was first time round.
Karl, you surprised me there, then I re-read what you said about the other machine. However, I've also taken note of Randy's arguments for not partitioning.
A choice among expert views.
Thomas, you're stuck with it, but I've never worked with an external drive and somebody may know how to avoid some of those consequences.
Short of starting over, are there ways you can shed or move stuff to save space? For instance, there are utilities to get rid of unwanted languages and I don't keep my music on the X partition.
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Sure there's reasons not to Partition. For one. It's easier. You don't have to do anything.
And then there's....
I'm not sure. Just always seems to work for me.
Gary. The first thing you need to do is Download Carbon Copy Cloner.
http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html
If you have another Drive you can put in the 933 for a bit, either one with
a big enough Partition already, probably under 5 Gigs, or one you can
Reformat that's that big, you can use CCC to move everything from the original
to the other Drive, Reformat and Partition the original, and move the original
stuff back to a Partition. Then pull the second Drive if you like.
The thing is, you can do this at any time.
As long as you have a second Drive with enough free space to do it.
I did multiple Partitions. One with OS X and OS 9.x, the original Install.
One with OS 9.x only. Others for Data.
If you have 60 Gigs, you could do 20 Gigs for OS X. With a Lean OS 9 or not.
10 Gigs for OS 9.x
30 Gigs for Data.
Just my 2.
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Nick, I surprised myself.
I'm a firm believer in partitioning, and at one time I had all my drives on the G4 tower at max allowable partitions. (OS X, OS 9, Linux, Linux boot, swap/scratch/vm, doc, downloads, programs, etc, etc.)
But when I got the G4 Powerbook, I elected not to wipe the 60G HDD and partition. I can't boot OS 9, so that's not an issue and classic is installed along side the OS X system. Fragmentation may be a concern down the road.
My thoughts ran more toward Gary getting to know the system first, to see how it fits his workflow, as is, and using his older machine as a pure OS 9 system for a while.
I believe he does regular backups, so if after a month or two, he feels he needs to partition, it should be a 'piece of cake' to do it.
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Gary S.
What I'm about to tell you is (((BY FAR))) the most important thing you should do with your new 'puter. SO PAY ATTENTION!!
Find some very,very soft facial tissue.The ones they use in hospitals work great.
Maybe Rob W can help you there.?. Don't just settle for one box,buy a case of boxes because you'll need them all eventually anyways.
You're new 'puter has those clear plastic [shinny] carrying handles on all corners.
Keep those puppies shinny Gary S!!! - Especially the top front one! -
All the inners,logic board,mother board processor,ram dimms,drive bays etc etc are expendable. They can be replaced for a some what low cost. Think I read the logic board runs around $500/$600 or was it the mother board.?.
What's important is when ya come home and pull the cover off your 'puter,you see a nice shinny handled computer. Whether it works or not ... who cares.
If ya had one of those bad days ... perks you right up with a big-o-smile.
Spend the $60/$80 on that case of facial tissue Gary S.
In the long run you'll thank me.
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Now if you'll excuse me,I have to feed Bruno so I can go pay my gas bill and few other bills.
Bruno isn't too pleased with coming out of retirement.
See me.
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I'm cutting and pasting all these posts so I have them as Simpletext docs to refer to.
kps,
I am keeping the Beige G3 500 -OS9 machine and will probably get most of my work done on it for a while, while I figure out what to do with the G4. I know my 13 yr old is going to want to play his games on it right away , he's just goinnna have to grin and bear it until I get things set up
When it arrives, I'll fire it up to see what version of OSX it has on it(it may have OSX.0 on it for all I know). It comes with 256mb Ram and I have 2-512 sticks of 133 sitting here I'll install to see if they work, attach the monitor and Apple Pro speakers to see if they work etc.
Then I may just play around with it like you said and get used to it.
Eventually i want to partition.
I do have a 15 Gig Maxtor 5400 sitting here that I took out of my beige G3 when I put the 40gig 7200 in. It's a slow drive but I suppose I could hook that up in the new G4 and put a 9.2.2 System on that too.
One thing that bothers me now is that I have no way to transfer files between the two computers except by burning CDs. I have an internal Zip on the Beige G3 but the G4 has none.
I also need to do the networking thing to get internet access from my cable modem.....(my other thread).
I'm just developing stratagies from all of you. There's so much knowledge on this board. I consider myself lucky.
I'm going to try and take it one step at a time and see what develops.
$ is becoming a concern. My wife wants new carpeting in the living room and she's keeping close tabs on the bucks.
I went to look for routers last night and she said I had to wait.
Then there's the cost of all that good kleenex Billsuggested! I think I'll get that at Big Lots
TAFATHEveryone.
Never Fear! Techsurvivors is here!
[ 03-08-2003, 12:29 PM: Message edited by: Gary S ]
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Rob,
You know my position too well!
Sam says he might let me use it from time to time if I buy him a bebe gun.
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Gary. Why not a simple Crossover Cable for Filesharing?
Until you get your Router. Then that will do it.
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That's what I was getting at, Gary, partitioning is very much a personal thing, based on individual needs.
Once you're using OS X, try to do some serious work --replicate your work (and play) flow. Once you see and understand where OS X wants to install apps, store documents, iTunes data, iPhoto data, user data, etc. How it behaves with a secondary or an external drive and all that...then you'll have an idea how to partition and what size to make the partitions to best suit YOU.
Who knows, maybe you'll never create that OS 9 partition.
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Kelly,
A crossover cable sounds good. How do you do that.
I'm leaning towards a wired router I think. I'll just drill a couple of holes in the floor and run the cable down the basement. It looks like a spiderweb down there anyways, I have so many cables and stuff nailed to the joists.
Kps,
Your a wise man......I'll be goin with the flow for sure!
"Who knows, maybe you'll never create that OS 9 partition."
[ 03-08-2003, 05:51 PM: Message edited by: Gary S ]
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You go buy a length of Cat 5 Crossover Cable and plug it into each machines Ethernet Port.
How far apart will the two machines be?
You could go 100 yards if you had to.
10' or so cable is easy to find. Under $10 if you're lucky.
Buy it at any computer type store or find deals online.
http://www.atpm.com/network/setup/ethernet..._crossover.html
http://www.atpm.com/network/files/file_sharing.htm
Get the Crossover Cable and get back to us.
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Gary S.
After reading Kellys post on crossover cable,I did a goggle search.
Waaaaaaaay to many sources to link. <gr> Below is just two.
http://www.a2zcables.com/a2zcables.storefr...EN/Catalog/1076
http://www.pccables.com/cgi-bin/orders6.cg...earch=CROSSOVER
Bestbuy is as always. One brand-lenth and high on price.
I might go that route myself.
What I've been doing is the old cdr or dvd bit between 'puters.
One setup is in one room and the other is around 50 to 60 feet away in another room.
No fancy cable or dsl. So just straight connect from one to the other for transferring only.
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I still wouldn't be able to have internet on the new computer though.
I think I may go to Best But either tommorrow or Monday and see if I can pick up one of those routers.
I'll let you know.
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I picked up a 50' (two-three feet short .. Quick reroute) crossover cable today.
Couldn't get it to work in Jag but zero problems in 9. So that's good enough. <gr>
The only worry I had was after the designated partitions would appear on the desktop.Once finished with them,what does one do with them?
I was thinking along the lines of dragging them to the trash [like zips, external drives etc] but turned off file sharing instead. It worked. Not to sure if that was the correct method though.
I was dragging stuff back in forth in both directions like all get out.
Took over an hour to clean up my mess.
psssst ... Gary S,they had a 867 dual at frys. Buy "as is" sign on it.
Wasn't hooked up. Took a peek inside. Think it might of been 'home' for some mice at one time. Filthy plus.No ram.Scratch on the outside an inch long.
It was a demo they found buried in the back.
Price tag $1299. Petty the poor soul who ends up buying that door stop.
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1000-Ft. CAT5e Cable with RJ45 Caps, Crimper & Tester $43.
http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invti...d=CAT5E-1000-SK
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Gary, about transfering files.
You can file share with an ethernet patchcord between the two machines.
Older Macs would need a router, switch or crossover cable. The new Macs are auto configuring, so you don't have to spend the high price for a crossover cable. If you have, or get a plain patch cord, you can use it later if you decide to get a router or switch so you can network other devices (printers, other computers or modems).
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Gary S.
Not that this is anywhere near a big thing. Yet I thought I'd better bring it up so you don't go running to a corner shouting those nice words.
You have two 512 PC-133 2-2-2 ram sticks waiting at the gate for the horse ta show up.
The horse (think you said) is coming with a 256 stick.
If it's also a 2-2-2 stick then disregard this message.
If it's a 'slower' speed 256,then the 512s will drop down in third gear to run with the slowest (256) stick.
Not that big of a deal one way or another.
7.0ns as apposed to 7.5ns. Whoppie.
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Bill,
It may not be a biggie but I'm glad you told me. I didn't know that.
I think Apple ships them with the slower ram so I'll check. I wonder if it will say on the ram stick.
I just ran my Apple System Profiler (OS9.1) and all it tells me is the slot and the size.