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OT: Is everybody awake in S. FL?
« on: July 17, 2006, 07:48:30 AM »
Less than 30 minutes till Discovery lands! It's already slowed below Mach 25! Did anyone down there see the approach?
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OT: Is everybody awake in S. FL?
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2006, 08:20:54 AM »
WOW! An absolutely beautiful hand-flown ( by both pilots ) instrument approach! Man, what I would give to just sit in the cockpit! Congratulations NASA!
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2006, 11:02:10 AM »
I didn't see it (it was still dark here and I was sleeping peacefully), but am glad to hear they landed safely. Do they always do a "hand-flown instrument approach?

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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2006, 11:45:52 AM »
Heard the sigh of relief all the way up here....
Ya gotta applaud those bunnies for sacrificing their hearing just so some guy in Cupertino can have better TV reception.

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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2006, 12:05:54 PM »
I'm just glad that no one died from problems this time!  It would be nice to get a better system than the shuttle; it's just so old!
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OT: Is everybody awake in S. FL?
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2006, 02:21:41 PM »
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Do they always do a "hand-flown instrument approach?

I believe they do. There is precious little live piloting experience with the shuttle, anyway. It has already demonstrated the ability to make the approaches with the autopilot. And I'm sure it is a simple matter of handing off to the AP if they really needed to. But the ability to land manually by taking over from the AP might not be as easy. It's still an extremely fast aircraft on the approach and having your hands on the controls instead of trying to take control is much faster and safer, IMHO. They record the actual flight path and compare it to what the AP would have done, so they always know which would have been different/better. I don't think the AP has ever been proven better! But that's one reason I didn't call the approach/landing "perfect". A real pilot can almost always see things he could have done better, even on a "perfect" flight. smile.gif

What also amazed me was the sound of the APU's as the shuttle sat on the runway while they finished running all their checklists. It sounded nothing but a steam engine sitting on a track while its steam powered air pumps worked. The APU's are powered by intermittent bursts of burning gases ( hydrazine and oxygen ? ). So they sit there and you hear a 'chugging' sound as each one gets a shot of fuel every half second or so. With three APU's running, it is a unique sound now that there are so few live steam engines running! eusa_dance.gif One hundred year old sounds from a twentieth century transport! WOW.gif

Not sure we can call the shuttle "old" but it certainly is not performing as it was hoped. The 'old' style construction of putting the payload and people at the front end of the explosive parts of a rocket seem much more practical and safe now! All 'advances' are not always better. I just hope we maintain the will and desire to explore space with humans. Most of the pure scientific work can be done with robots/unmanned probes, but they will always be limited to the few things they are designed to do. Only humans can change the mission so completely in mid-course and jury-rig a solution that may 'save the day'! smile.gif
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2006, 03:57:24 PM »
When I think of people in space I always think of the beginning of Sirens of Titan by Kirk Vonnegutt:

Mankind, ignorant of the truths that lie within every human being, looked outward - pushed ever outward. What mankind hoped to learn in its outward push was who was actually in charge of all creation, and what all creation was all about.

Mankind flung its advance agents ever outward, ever outward. Eventually it flung them out into space, into the colorless, tasteless, weightless sea of outwardness without end.

It flung them like stones.

These unhappy agents found what had already been found in abundance on Earth - a nightmare of meaninglessness without end. The bounties of space, of infinite outwardness, were three: empty heroics, low comedy, and pointless death.


Not that I'd turn down an opportunity to be a member of the crew on the the Enterprise D!   smile.gif
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