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« on: January 08, 2007, 10:41:53 AM »
I'm using an Epson C82 printer. In the past when I did the nozzle check utility and saw the gaps in the lines, I would use the Head Cleaning cycle to fix that.

This time, the gaps appeared in a fairly new black cartridge and they would not clean after several cycles. Strange. So I purchased a new cartridge and ran the charging and cleaning cycle. Nothing has changed. The gaps are about the same. The printed ouputs are terrible.

I moved the printer head aside and saturated the seating sponge with water and let it sit overnight thinking that may soften something up. But next day, no difference.
How to fix this problem?

I have used Epson and generic cartridges for years and never had an issue.

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« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2007, 10:49:01 AM »
Do you turn your Epson printer off at night?
Epsons have printing problems when you don't shut them off, since they clean and do maintenance to the print heads when they get powered on.
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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2007, 10:53:47 AM »
Sometimes I do. Sometimes not.
Lately I have been.
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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2007, 11:26:24 AM »
Ink jet printers are not made for printing, they are needed to sell carts. tongue.gif

The ink that is dried is not in the carts, it's in the separate print heads that use heat to 'explode' the ink onto the paper. The only way I know of to keep them from drying out is to print something every day ( using all the colors available in your carts, of course ). Some have had luck removing the carts and putting a drop of alcohol in the print heads and waiting a few hours. Others suggest water is safer ( actually, 'wet water' may be best: 50:1 mix of water and liquid soap ). Then, reinstall the carts and try again. Don't be surprised if it takes several applications of whatever liquid you use.

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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2007, 03:18:43 PM »
Over the years, I trashed 2 Epson printers (the last being a 740) due to clogged black print heads. I've been using a Canon i960 printer for over 3 years & never had a clog.

Here's some clog info I collected when I had an Epson printer. I was never able to unclog using these procedures.

HERE'S A WAY TO USE THE HEAD CLEANING FUNCTION ON A EPSON PRINTER WITHOUT WASTING INK. I, too, have used alcohol to clean the heads on my Epson
printer. I have only had problems with the black ink heads. The first time
the heads became clogged, the printer was on warranty. Epson sent me a
replacement over night and paid to return the old one. (It was one of the
best consumer experiences I have ever had) A year later when it stopped
printing black, I figured I take a crack at fixing it myself. I removed the
black cartridge, cleaned it out and filled it with 99% isopropyl alcohol. (I
asked the pharmacist for the 99% alcohol) I put the cartridge back in and
ran through the cleaning procedure. I took many attempts but the head was
finally cleared. I also used a lot of colored ink. The next time I needed to
clean the heads, I came up with following way to save ink. It helps if you
fill a eye drop bottle with alcohol and keep it handy. Also have a
flashlight handy. Take out the black and color cartridges. Put them on a
suitable dish or tray upside down. Put a few drops of alcohol in the ink
holes to keep them wet. Repeat as needed - don’t let them dry out. Keep
plenty of paper towels handy. smile.gif Put the black cartridge filled with alcohol
into the printer. Look into the color cartridge holder. You will see a shiny
metal tab. When this is depressed it tells the printer that a cartridge is
in the printer. Look at the indicator light next to the power switch. The
green light will be on. Push the tab, it will go off. This tab must be
depressed for the cleaning function to work. I took a piece of cardboard
from the back of a tablet and folded it so it would keep the tab depressed .
This will take some experimentation to get right. The indicator light will
be off when you get it right. Put several drops of alcohol into the colored
ink wells before blocking the tab and closing.the lid. You could use an old,
cleaned-out, colored ink cartridge for this if you wanted. With the alcohol
cartridge in place and the colored side rigged, clean to your hearts
content. You will run alcohol through the black side and not waste any
colored ink in the procedure. The above technique can be reversed or varied
to clean the colored heads. Happy cleaning.

~~~~~~~~ I clean and repair all types of printers as a business... the
surest way to unblock ink-jet print heads is to take out the
cartridges,(cover the outlets with some damp material) put some absorbant
paper under the print heads and partly fill Black and Colour recepticals
with ink flushing fluid, leave over night, then using a cooking baster,
gently force a stream of fluid onto the pads that the cartridges sit
on,replacing the absorbant paper when necessary. providing the print head
hasn't been damaged or worn out in the first place. This procedure will
always work. Regards Don

~~~~~~ I discovered PEROXIDE about two years ago. I tried everything in my
medicine cabinet including Witch Hazel, alcohol, nail polish remover
(acetone), peroxide, water, etc. Peroxide was the last thing I used and it
worked like a charm. For my Canons, just a drop of peroxide applied with an
eye dropper to the bottom side of the cartridge works wonders. For black it
requires 2 drops and a few cleaning revolutions. For Lexmarks sometimes you
have to let the cartridges soak in a mug in an inch of peroxide from 1 day
to 1 month. Lexmarks cartridges are stubborn if you let them start to run
out of ink and then refill. Always refil before empty. What I found most
successful with Lexmark was the vigor with which I rubbed the contacts with
a cotton facial pad (Coet) dabbed in peroxide. It seems the black ink
especially hardens on to the contacts. Just a little extra elbow grease does
the trick. The Epson is next so I will follow the tatics people mentioned
above but using Peroxide not alcohol. I honestly found alcohol to almost
worthless in comparison to peroxide. Now I imagine that if one wanted to get
really aggressive, Peroxide is probably available in a heavy duty strength
at the beauty supply!

~~~~~~~This article saved my printer. I had such bad clogging on my Epson
860 that paper was emerging completely white - no ink at all. I had run many
many cleaning cycles to no avail, then I used the alcohol in a dropper
solution and it made no difference for at least 20 more cleaning cycles. Did
more alcohol, more cleaning, suddenly a little bit of red , then more
cleaning and all the nozzles cleared. I have a couple of additional pieces
of advice - on an Epson printer, the cleaning cycle intensifies in groups of
3. If you clean then print, then clean, then print, you only ever do the
light cycle. You have to run 3 consecutively, without printing in between,
to get the more intense cleaning to kick in (this was from an Epson
technician). The other thing he told me (that I should have known) is that
you have to turn off the printer between jobs if you can - he said that
leaving it on is like leaving the cap off a marker. Sounds like bad design
to me - turning the printer on and off causes booting problems for some of
us but there you are. Too bad he didn't tell me about alcohol too! Thank you
so much for putting this solution out.

~~~~~~~~~ Epson Stylus Color 800 clogged print head

PROBLEM: Dryed black ink clog-up in the tube leading from the black ink
cartridge to the print head. Black ink flow totally halted. New cartridges
won't work.

BACKGROUND: Epson uses very fast-drying, water-soluble, inks in this
printer, and if the printer sits idle for some length of time the ink feed
tubes and the print heads become clogged with dry ink. Epson issues dire
warnings about potential damage to the printer if attempts are made to flush
these parts with any solvent, and recommends factory repair only.

On the advice of someone who has vast experience with such problems, I
successfully used the following repair. procedure.

REPAIR PROCEDURE: Use a clean small hypodermic syringe with NO needle. Press
on to the syringe nozzle, a 3/4 inch long piece of model airplane gas engine
fuel tubing. This tubing is available cheaply from your local model hobby
shop. It is a pale light blue colored plastic tubing. The MEDIUM size is the
right one. The bore (ID) of the tubing is less than 1/16 of an inch. It
makes a very tight fit when pushed onto the syringe nozzle.

Remove the cartridge from the printer, and pull the power plug immediately
to prevent any further printer movement.

Load the syringe with 2-3 CC's of scalding hot water, preferably distilled
water available at your grocery store. Then press the other end of the
tubing down over the little black nozzle in the bottom of the cartridge
holder. It must be a very tight fit.

Forcibly inject the hot water into the printer. If the clogging is really
severe, you may have to press the syringe plunger very hard. Continue
injecting until the syringe is empty, while making sure that the tubing does
not slip off the syringe or the printer nozzle. Repeat this injection
procedure 1-2 more times with more hot water if necessary.

Once the hot water goes through easily, the clog has been dissolved. It may
be necessary to wait 24 hours for the water to evaporate, but in my case it
was not. I simply replaced the black ink cartridge, and ran the Epson's
head-cleaning utility several times until the black ink started coming
through. Running the nozzle-check utility, to make a test pattern print,
will let you know when the ink flow is OK.

This same procedure should work equally well for the colored inks of this
printer. I suspect that the procedure will also probably work for some other
Epson inkjet printers as well.
Cheers, Tom

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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2007, 04:07:17 PM »
Tom, I too had an Epson printer on which I tried all sorts of things and never succeeded in unclogging the darn thing. Got an HP instead - never a problem, gave it to the inlaws when I got a Canon i960 with a new Mac and it's been great, and now I have a Canon all-in-one as well. And, chugging along in what must be at least year 5, is my trusty HP Laserjet 2100.

The only way I'd consider another Epson is if I wanted or needed a large format photo printer.
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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2007, 04:25:39 PM »
Also, be aware that the cleaning cycles, liquid injections, etc. are forcing ink/liquids into the innards of the printer. There is usually a small foam pad that collects the ink used with the cleaning cycles. This pad may not be under the heads when you force other liquids through them. Make sure you know where they are going. And even the installed pads have a limited capacity, running 20 cleaning cycles at one time, could easily fill them. DO NOT do this kind of cleaning on a table covered with your mother-in-laws table cloth! Might no even want to use any valuable table!

While many will claim that Epsons are the worst, the choice of a printer should focus on what and how much you print as well as the reliability of the brand. I would hazard a guess that most print head drying/clogging problems occur due to lack of use and extremely low humidity levels in it's environment ( that includes almost every house in the States, BTW ). It's a lot like the Airport and non-Apple wireless boxes, some never work for some, some always work for others. I still say there are moon phases at work here...
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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2007, 05:28:02 PM »
I had an original Stylus Photo for which I paid $550 in the fall of 1997.  I didn't use it all that much but it could go weeks if not months between uses, without clogging.

But as Epson printers evolved and the ink drops got progressively smaller and the printers themselves seem to devolve build-wise, clogging became a real problem for many Epson printer models.  I had a 785EX (I think that was the model number...) and it was clogged from the first day of use.  After seven months I returned it to Costco for a refund.

I switched to an HP 8450 and Never Looked Back.  Unlike the Epson printers, HP print heads are replaced every time the carts are changed and clogging problems with both HP and Canon printers are almost unheard of...

Having said that, some folks think that home inkjet photo printing is a losing proposition when it comes to both quality and cost per print. Ken Rockwell certainly thinks so...  I have found much of his digital photography info to be very helpful, so his opinion is nudging me to rethink the whole home printing paradigm.  

I'm not saying that he is 100% correct, just that his viewpoint is worth considering when calculating the costs of buying, operating and maintaining a home inkjet printer.

And if the majority of your printing is text, then a laser printer is a No Brainer, both print quality and cost-wise.
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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2007, 05:49:57 PM »
Wow! You folks are great. Too many long answers, though.
I needed somethin' simple! ;-)

I NEVER had any of these problems with my EPSON 800. It was a great printer.  Excellent quality. But it died after 5 years. This C82 model has been a pain.

Maybe it's time I looked at other brands from what you people tell me.

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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2007, 07:41:43 PM »
Is there a diagram somewhere that shows where the print heads, etc are on an Epson C82?

Can I remove a cartridge, work on things, and then return the same cartridge? Or is it toast?
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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2007, 09:10:18 PM »
Maybe this is buried in one of those long posts, but...

Take a cotton swab and some rubbing alcohol to it. Clean the roller, and anything else inside that you can reach. If the swab doesn't turn black, keep cleaning, it will.
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« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2007, 08:46:07 AM »
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Can I remove a cartridge, work on things, and then return the same cartridge? Or is it toast?
Depends on how Epson designed them. Newer models include a chip in the cart carrier and the cart that tells the printer how much ink should be in the cart. It's a calculation, not the real amount, but when the chips say the cart is empty, the printer won't print until you install a 'new' cart. There are ways around that but they simply 'trick' the printer into thinking there is a new, full cart installed. I don't know what the C82 does in this scenario. But it's easy to find out, do your cleaning, and reinstall the carts. If they work or they printer shows they still have ink, you're go to go. If they were seen as empty, it just won't print. But nothing will go "poof"! smile.gif

As far as where to clean, the rollers are easily seen with the cover flipped up ( the 'cover' being what you have to raise to get to the carts ). The input side of the print heads are directly underneath where the ink comes out of the carts. DO NOT try to remove them from the printer or disassemble the printer in any way, that's a sure way to develop the need of a new printer! :sad:
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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2007, 08:55:56 AM »
"Ink jet printers are not made for printing, they are needed to sell carts."
To quote Jim, this is true.  And to follow his advice, about printing something every day in a dry house will keep them from drying out, is exactly what I do, and it keeps it running fine.

My Epson CX5400 printer/scanner cost $99 about 2 1/2 years ago, and the cost of the carts has passed that long ago.

My previous Epson had a cartridge 'explode' inside it.  Oh my goodness what a royal mess.  I did however take it all apart and used about 1/2 a box of Q-tips to clean it up.  Managed to get it back together and it worked!
But I wouldnt want to do that again.  My husband learned some new swear words and I almost got my mouth soaped out.
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