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« on: March 11, 2007, 05:31:29 PM »
I just got Dreamweaver and started lessons Saturday, gee! its a great program!
Even I can do it OK, and we have a great instructor, she has written some amazing lessons!  I also have been subscribing to the www.lynda.com movie tutorials.
This is a lot of fun.  Finally I am getting going on this web stuff. biggrin.gif
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2007, 09:06:21 PM »
I agree, Jane. biggrin.gif

Gradually moving all my sites to it from GoLive. I prefer its site management, its code view, its the way it lays out the CSS code...for big sites (100 pages or more) like some of the ones I'm managing, it's great.

(Now Jim...just restrain yerself... wink.gif )
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2007, 09:22:51 PM »
Hi Paddy,
I sure tried to learn GoLive, and I wasnt ready(I had never used a word processing program), so here I am a year or so later, doing well with DW.  I think it is easier to learn, and seems more logical to me now, but we must remember that I had no clue about anything computer related not long ago.
To be fair, I should fire up the old Mac and open GoLive and just see how I can understand it now.
But DW sure is a nice and slick program, and has a great instructor at LVS.
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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2007, 03:29:24 PM »
QUOTE(jcarter @ Mar 12 2007, 12:31 AM) [snapback]121665[/snapback]
This is a lot of fun.  Finally I am getting going on this web stuff. biggrin.gif

It really is like an entire new world opening up isn't it? coolio.gif
It really is a great program.

QUOTE(Paddy @ Mar 12 2007, 04:06 AM) [snapback]121678[/snapback]
Gradually moving all my sites to it from GoLive. I prefer its site management, its code view, its the way it lays out the CSS code...for big sites (100 pages or more) like some of the ones I'm managing, it's great.

Yup... I do have GoLive in this CS Suite (first version) but after playing with it I put it asside and went back to Dreamweaver.
Although I love Adobe apps, I feel GoLive is not as Adobe as it should be.

I can't wait till the new CS 3 suite and I can only wonder how they will solve the problem with GoLive VS Dreamweaver now.
I really hope they aren't to proud to put GoLive asside, for the benefit of Dreamweaver cause it really is superior.

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« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2007, 07:20:40 PM »
Hmm. Am I the only one who prefers GoLive to Dreamweaver?

I have both, and I've been using both since GoLive was still called Cyberstudio and Dreamweaver was still in its 2.0 release, and I keep getting fed up with Dreamweaver and going back to Golive.

Among the problems I see in Dreamweaver:

- Items such as pictures copied to the clipboard and then pasted into an HTML file that lives in a different folder do not have their path updated, so the link breaks. GoLive updates the path for Clipboard items automatically, even when copy/pasting between HTML files that are in different folders or subfolders.

- Items with attached JavaScript in Dreamweaver lose the attached Javascript if copied to the clipboard and pasted into another HTML file. In GoLive, if you copy an object with an attached JavaScript, the JavaScript goes with it.

- Beginning in Dreamweaver 3.0, Macromedia introduced an "off-by-1" bug in the way Dreamweaver calculates sizes for deeply nested tables. Under some situations, when a table is contained inside another table of fixed width, and you allow Dreamweaver to calculate the size of the innemost table, it will make the innermost table one pixel too wide. This can cause tables and elements within tables to fail to line up correctly. Macromedia has receieved bug reports on this problem since Dreamweaver 3.0, but it still exists in Dreamweaver MX.

- Dreamweaver's built-in FTP has a known and documented bug when talking to certain FTP servers. Not a big deal if you don't use a Web host that uses one of those servers, but a really big deal if you do.

I want to like Dreamweaver, really I do, especially in light of the fact that Adobe is unlikely to continue development of GoLive now that it owns Dreamweaver.
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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2007, 07:29:58 PM »
They need to combine them and add all the best features into both, and get rid of the DW bugs that you have listed here, and make GoLive a bit more easy for beginners to deal with.
Make a combined software, name it anything like GoDream, LiveWeaver or whatever.. But wouldnt that be great to get the best of both!
Jane

(Yeah, then somebody has to teach Jane how to use it,,,,,,actually I am doing very well in my class.  You CAN teach an old brain to do new stuff!  And when we have access to TS, it gets better!)
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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2007, 09:47:39 PM »
Tacit, glad to hear you still like GoLive as I found it to be pretty decent though I can hear Jim now going on about all the extraneous code... smile.gif

Went through jumping back and forth between PageMill, Dreamweaver and GoLive a few years back. Stopped at GoLive 6 but really haven't had much chance to use it in a while.
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2007, 05:33:04 PM »
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Tacit, glad to hear you still like GoLive as I found it to be pretty decent though I can hear Jim now going on about all the extraneous code... smile.gif

Went through jumping back and forth between PageMill, Dreamweaver and GoLive a few years back. Stopped at GoLive 6 but really haven't had much chance to use it in a while.


GoLive CS2 is really a huge improvement. Much cleaner code, better integration with ImageReady, and a huge, huuuuuge improvement in the way it handles CSS. (One common complaint DreamWeaver users often had about GoLive was its clumsy CSS interface, which got better in GoLive CS and improved remarkably in GoLive CS2.)
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2007, 08:38:30 PM »
Hmm, that's one more check in the column for buying the new suite somewhere in the near future. Of course a new Mac would be first.

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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2007, 09:37:44 PM »
There are some things I like better in GoLive - it connects to servers faster, for instance and I do like the inspector CSS window.

I have encountered the "off-by-one" bug recently, but remembered what to do and fixed the table. Generally trying to avoid deeply nested tables - but this one was a real table (a price list) and doing it any other way would have been silly.

One of the reasons I'm moving sites to DW is that my clients are using Contribute to do updates to their sites themselves. There is no equivalent that works with GoLive there.

I too would be happiest if they took the best of both programs and combined them. smile.gif

Kris - CS3 should be out some time in the first half of this year, so I wouldn't buy anything right now!!
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2007, 01:09:51 AM »
No Paddy, I'm not going to get any new software until I make the jump to a new Mac and that probably won't be for a year or so anyway.

But I can dream... smile.gif
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