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« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2007, 11:54:41 PM »
i don't think iWork has a database app :-(
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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2007, 07:50:51 AM »
QUOTE(sunset @ Aug 20 2007, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have Arial 12 set as my default font in the Prefs. but it never defaults to that.  Geneva is always the font that's selected in the WP module--didn't test the others.  When typing in Geneva, the cursor is never following the last character typed but shows up before the second to last character.  That would be OK if I never made a typo  tears.gif  or wanted to change something or do some moving around of text or underline a phrase/section, etc.

Hope that sufficiently explains it??   whew.gif   I've reinstalled the program multiple times and trashed the .plist file but none of that works.  Because I've got many templates set up, some date way back, I'm not anxious to call it quits and abandon it.  

Thanks for asking..
 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


Is trashing the .plist file in OSX analogous to trashing preferences in OS9? If so, I don't have an easy answer, especially since you've already taken the step of reinstalling the program. I do know that I've had intractable problems that were solved with a "Clean Install" of OS9 even though such a fix remained mysterious. But, it worked!

I've never had the problems you describe, using OS9.
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« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2007, 11:27:59 AM »
QUOTE(Gregg @ Aug 21 2007, 07:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(sunset @ Aug 20 2007, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have Arial 12 set as my default font in the Prefs. but it never defaults to that.  Geneva is always the font that's selected in the WP module--didn't test the others.  When typing in Geneva, the cursor is never following the last character typed but shows up before the second to last character.  That would be OK if I never made a typo  tears.gif  or wanted to change something or do some moving around of text or underline a phrase/section, etc.

Hope that sufficiently explains it??   whew.gif   I've reinstalled the program multiple times and trashed the .plist file but none of that works.  Because I've got many templates set up, some date way back, I'm not anxious to call it quits and abandon it.  

Thanks for asking..
 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


Is trashing the .plist file in OSX analogous to trashing preferences in OS9? If so, I don't have an easy answer, especially since you've already taken the step of reinstalling the program. I do know that I've had intractable problems that were solved with a "Clean Install" of OS9 even though such a fix remained mysterious. But, it worked!

I've never had the problems you describe, using OS9.


Thanks for your thoughts, Gregg.  I really don't remember having that problem in 9 either.  As a matter of fact, because I've been using X for so long, I don't have any recollection when it began.    

It doesn't keep me from using the program tho'--biggest pain is that even when I set a different font for a project, it wants to default back to Geneva.  Just takes a little longer to accomplish something and I have to be 'aware'...

I do feel badly for 'Sandboxes' descriptive situation--guess I've had my head in the sand for years...  =(  AW has always worked for me for anything that needed doing so I never needed M$.  That's really too bad--shame on Apple and it sounds as tho' it was intentional???!   nono.gif

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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2007, 01:55:47 PM »
I'm not sure I understand the problems with importing an AW database into FM. I've done this several times but they are probably extremely simple db without any scripts ( assuming AW could use scripts ) nor calculated fields.

Not that FM is an inexpensive 'solution', of course. FM, alone, is at least ten times the cost of AW! I suspect that somewhere in Apple, the decision was made to drop support for AW for whatever reason back when Apple was losing its toe in the education 'door'. Of course, education planing and execution takes longer to make changes than 'regular' consumers and even corporate users, so Apple now finds itself with increasing popularity but no software to supply the markets it now wants to recapture. Bad decisions have a way of living longer than you want! smile.gif Mr. Jobs tenacious rush to "fashion conscious and well-to-do" consumers leaves them little clout with organizations with tightening budgets, especially when they get burned by this kind of abandonment.

If iWorks takes more than another year to create a complete alternative to AW, they will face ever greater challenges in selling computers. Especially when MS decides to shut down the Mac Unit. But the profit margins may be the guiding reasons for this lack of innovation or support. I don't think they get a 50+% profit on any computer, even those extremely expensive Mac Pro models! whew.gif
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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2007, 07:49:09 AM »
SB,

It could be that when MS and Dell went full force after the edu market, Apple chose to run rather than fight...AW became a casualty. I'm sure that what you described repeated itself in many school districts, but some no doubt fared better than others.

Did Apple let us down? Yes and No. AW was a decent suite for Mac users and education, but most Mac users outside of education needed MS Office to be compatible with the 95% of the rest of the world. Let's not kid ourselves, if MS Office for Mac didn't exist, Apple's market share would be less than Linux and companies like Adobe would have abandoned the Mac market years ago, further killing Mac use in the graphics biz. In 1995 I worked for a large multinational logistics company on a startup. I was the "transportation guy", so lots of spread sheets, memos and reports. They were standardized on Quatro Pro and WordPerfect but guess what...each of our computers had MS Office installed because they were in the process of migrating. Where is Quatro and WordPerfect today? Where is Lotus 1-2-3 for that matter? It wasn't just Apple that was up against the MS juggernaut.

If Apple abandoned the edu market, it wasn't all Apple's fault. I recall Paddy, Krissel (and others) mentioning on numerous occasions about school districts switching to PCs because of cost...and nothing but cost....and you can't get AW for Windows. wink.gif
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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2007, 08:41:17 AM »
Well, I guess I'm a bit of an odd duck in all this. I've always used and preferred Word (and the rest of the suite) to Appleworks. Never liked AW, always found it didn't do what I wanted it to or could get Word or Excel to do easily. Sure - familiarity may have played a big part, but I just didn't much like it. My kids use it - they've used it in school - and they also use Word.

My previous school district in North Andover, MA made the completely idiotic move to PCs in their central office about 9 years ago, when the equally idiotic head of technology (who was the original dinosaur - really did NOT know his cookies) decided that they had to do this because the state required that they submit reports etc. in MS Word. Apparently it never occurred to this dolt that MS made Office for Macs too. I later told some of the staff that there had been no need to switch platforms; that Office was available for Macs and they had no idea - and several of them lamented how much they missed their Macs and what a pain in the neck their PCs were. The central office was by this time paying over $10,000 per year for outside maintenance of these PCs, something they had never had to do with their Macs.

As if that idiotic decision wasn't enough, they were also on the verge of switching to PCs district-wide when they built and equipped the new high school, which opened 3 years ago. In this case, the lame duck head of technology was about to retire, and though he didn't agree with the decision (by this time he'd realized the cost of maintenance apparently) nobody would listen to him; he wasn't capable of marshaling the evidence effectively and was generally treated as a joke. This decision-making was taking place about 5 years ago. I'd been protesting to our superintendent - I knew full well that we lacked the technology staff to support Windows and I knew that it wasn't going to be a cheap or easy solution. I gave him a stack of stuff to read about TOC etc. Still wasn't making much headway, although he was becoming quite intrigued by what he'd read about OS X. Then two things happened; our business manager got involved and asked about a transition plan - HOW were they going to actually move all those files and transfer all that data? Nobody had a clue. And then the local Apple education rep asked for a last opportunity to meet with the superintendent and others, and to his credit, he wowed them, pure and simple. Took them to see another brand new, mostly Mac HS in Massachusetts, showed them the networking and integration with the PCs on the network and generally resolved most of their questions. Net result was that the decision to dump the Macs was reversed and the new HS now has a lots of iMacs, G4s, G5s and every teacher in the district has an iBook or a Powerbook.

Of course, shortly after, they got a new superintendent who was the world's most arrogant and horrible man and he did everything he could to slam Macs. He knew NOTHING about computers and saw no need for technology to be truly integrated into education, but that didn't stop him. Luckily he got turfed out for having an affair with a secretary and various other nefarious deeds before he was able to do much damage to the hardware infrastructure. (He did however, completely decimate the support infrastructure - they are now hobbling along with about 1.5 people to support some 2000 computers, and no money to hire anyone else)

All of the teachers' Macs are now loaded with MS Office; and I believe some of those in the HS as well. The problem of course is the cost of licensing; they already had the seat licenses for Appleworks and MS ain't so cheap. They've concentrated on the areas where compatibility with PCs is more likely to be an issue and where files go back and forth many times.
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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2007, 09:20:41 AM »
QUOTE(kps @ Aug 22 2007, 08:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If Apple abandoned the edu market, it wasn't all Apple's fault. I recall Paddy, Krissel (and others) mentioning on numerous occasions about school districts switching to PCs because of cost...and nothing but cost....and you can't get AW for Windows. wink.gif


Little known fact, you could get AW for Windows.  YUP, it was available.

For instance, here is an updater:

http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/app...forwindows.html

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