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« on: March 25, 2008, 10:04:50 AM »
Jumping in here, between the Mozilla/Apple wars, the Russian Mafia and whatever, here's a new solution to a specialized problem.

As some might remember, each time I put together an issue of our local Friends of the Library quarterly newsletter, I struggle with trying to get Pages to let me make, in essence, a "booklet" on 11 x 17 paper, carrying two 8.5 x 11 pages on each side of the tabloid stock.

A few of you have tried to help with some ideas, which I never understood (a likely possibility) or which I just couldn't make work, as I have been able to do in pre-Pages days, with a simple word processing app + multiple pdfs + Kinkos. The WP et al strategem is labor intensive, which is why I wanted to figger-out Pages.

Bingo! I have discovered CocoaBooklet.  A neat little app, here

While this may be old news to some consumate experts hereabouts, it came as a delightful discovery to me.

I case you're "into" booklet production and you, too, wish to enjoy the page make-up advantages of Pages, this looks like the solution until the writer(s) of Pages determine to take their nifty templates to the next plateau.

Hopes this helps some other wanderer out there in TeeEssLand.

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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2008, 11:06:50 AM »
I tried Cocoa Booklet after I had complained about making a 32 page half a regular 8.5 by 11 booklet for my wife (each year). I had previously used Canvas which did the job, as long as it would not crash. wallbash.gif But I gave up on it several years ago and wrote off it's exorbitant price as an "educational expense!"

Thus, when assigned this 32 page booklet task this year I bravely launched Pages to get some serious work done! I even found a 'template' that claimed to be just what book publishers needed. Alas, it was not designed for smaller paged booklets. But it did point out what I'd been missing and I then got busy typing, pasting and placing text boxes. Printed the thing out yesterday. PURFECTLY! clap.gif

The key is setting the actual size of whatever page one wants to print to. While most of the 'templates' are based on 8.5 by 11 inch paper, there is no requirement to use only that size. Simply use the "Page Setup..." function to establish any size page and its orientation that you need. 11 by 17? Fine, no problem, just do it! smile.gif You will, of course, need a fairly tall monitor to view the whole page at 100%...
The point is, tell Pages what size the paper is and it will present you with a blank screen exactly that size. clap.gif

The problem I had with Cocoa Booklet was that it always wanted to shrink the pages so it could be folded at cut with all the pages correctly oriented in the order required. There may be a setting in there that prevents this shrinking but I never found it. dntknw.gif
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2008, 12:07:42 PM »
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Mar 25 2008, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The problem I had with Cocoa Booklet was that it always wanted to shrink the pages ....There may be a setting in there that prevents this shrinking but I never found it. dntknw.gif


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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2008, 01:32:58 PM »
First ... you sent me on a fond memory moment -- back when I used Pagemaker and one quick command did all this stuff so easily. Took less than 2 minutes and the 60-some page telephone booklet was ready for printing. Now photocopying, stapling and folding -- not so easy. wink.gif biggrin.gif

I've considered paying the bucks for Pages, but have been using NeoOffice and frames to create our Friends newsletter. It's not too difficult, and Sneakers helps ... I just have to watch those word substitutions. laugh.gif

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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2008, 03:02:44 PM »
True, almost any word processor could be used, assuming it can handle floating elements. But I'd suspect all will require that the page size be established if no preset one is installed. Some can do better than others. If Cocoa Booklet works for Dick, great. I'd never heard of it being used to create 11 by 17 'booklets' however. dntknw.gif

BTW, I've also installed neoOffice on both my and my wife's Macs. My biggest problem is figuring out how to do the things that I do constantly in Mariner Write and Pages: Copy paragraph styles to other paragraphs. I think I managed to do it, finally, but it seems to not only look like Word but to be as usable as Word, also, ie; not very! tongue.gif But my wife is so happy now that she can not only read Word docs but now she can even edit them and send them back! clap.gif
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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2008, 05:16:52 PM »
Maybe the "new" 'O8 Pages will do the job for me, as you say. The 'O6 surely didn't and the personnel at the Apple Store were clueless. . .  surprisingly. My "problem" is that no Pages template would put (of 4) page 4 to the left of page 1 on the right, on that side of the tabloid stock that's the "cover" of the newsletter.  It appears to be a no-brainer in Cocoa Booklet . . . but I'll let yoiu know!  unsure.gif

I picked up these "advisories" from the Pages/Apple Forum . . .
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Use Cocoa Booklet to create a booklet with any number of pages (best in a multiple of 4). Create your Pages document in Letter-size as normal & then Export the Pages document to a PDF.

Launch Cocoa Booklet & open its Preferences. In Paper Size set the Paper Format to "Personnalisé" with the Width 17 x Height 11 (measuring unit is set in a drop-down menu at the lower left of this preference window. Leave the default margins.

In the Destination preference, select Yes for Add a suffix? to avoid overwriting your original PDF & click Save.

The choices in the Options preferences are all left unchecked for your tabloid-size document. Then drag the PDF to the icon of Cocoa Booklet to will create a new PDF in booklet form.

Be sure that "create mini booklet" is not checked in Options in CocoaBooklet's preferences? Another thought, make sure tabloid is selected as the paper size in Page Setup
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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2008, 05:38:29 PM »
Since we are on the subject of word processing...

I stumbled upon this app while perusing the VersionTracker RSS feed at lunch:  Bean.

I downloaded it but I haven't had a chance to play with it yet... It just might replace TextEdit on my Macs.

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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2008, 06:26:32 PM »
It's difficult to converse via the forum but I have (at least) one question. Will this booklet/newsletter be printed on one individual sheet of 11 by 17 inch paper? Or will it be printed on two 11 by 17 inch pieces to make the four, tall pages. I'm assuming (although that's sometimes dangerous!) that it will be four pages on two sides on  of one 11 by 17 paper positioned long side as the top & bottom. Each side of that paper will have two 'pages' of stuff.

1. Open pages and tell it that you'd like to set up a 'custom' template of your own. Of course they didn't make it that easy. What you actually have to do is select the standard blank template just to get started. wallbash.gif There's a secret way to avoid that templates chooser, but that can wait...
2. Select View->Show Layout, that should be the default as far as I'm concerned...
3. Immediately select Page Set (command-shift-P).
4. I'm also assuming that you don't have a 11 by 17 inch paper defined in this dialog! So, let's create one.[list="a"]Make sure the printer you want to use is showing in the "Format for:" pull down menu.
Click on the "Paper Size: pull down menu and drag all the way to the bottom. The choice there is "Manage Custom Sizes."
Click the cute little "+" button (lower left area of the window).
You will probably already have "11" in the 'Height' text box, so all we need to do is type "17" in the 'Width" box. The printer's margins should also already be defined for you.
Double-click the "Untitled" 'name' and type in something unique like "Tab19864z98fc". Or whatever will remind you of what the paper definition is. dntknw.gif
Click the OK button on that window and then the first one that started this whole exercise.
You should now see a representation of an 11" tall, 17" wide piece of paper three default text areas. If not, go get some warm tea and watch "Nature" for a while. tongue.gif[/list]
5. You will note that the 'layout' lines show one really wide text box and the two equally wide Header and Footer. I don't use either of those things but it's up to you. If you want to use that space for other stuff, uncheck the boxes in the first tab of the Inspector under the "Document" tab. They are about half way down on that window. You can then enlarge the single text box to the limits set by your printer.
6. You now have a choice to make. Leave the layout looking like it is OR create two columns to help you see where the center fold is. Makes no difference to me, I seldom use the default text box, anyway.

That's it. If you want page numbers on the newsletter you can do that by creating tiny text boxes and typing in "Page 1", etc. and put them at the bottom of each page They cannot be place in the shaded areas, that's the part of the page that the printer can't use.

Note: Page 1 should be on the right-hand side of this first layout. Page 4 will be on the left-hand side. You will eventually create the other side of this piece of paper and it will contain Page 2 and Page 3. Again, the odd numbered 'page' should be on the right and vice versa.

You can now start entering text/graphics/shapes/tables/ink stains/etc.

Once again, I suggest ignoring the default text boxes in favor of creating your own (from the list of 'things' in the "Objects" icon) for every 'story' or 'topic' and even for the 'Header' (or footer) that may be different on each 'page.' That way it is easy to link paragraphs to other boxes that may end up on different sides of the piece of paper. you can create a few boxes guessing at how much space you can use on each 'page' and link up the boxes before you even start entering text but it's just as easy to do that after you see that everything won't fit on one 'page.' Just keep your text boxes and graphics inside those default layout boundaries so they will get printed completely.

The key idea to wrap your head around is that books/newsletters with more than two pages will have two different page numbers (and content) on each side of a piece of paper. This is completely different than writing a letter which will completely fill one or both sides of the paper used. And because there will actually be four 'pages' on each single piece of paper, it will require some thought about what page goes on what side of which piece. That's really all that Cocoa Booklet does for you and it is really designed to put all the booklet on as few pieces of paper as possible but then requiring that paper be cut in numerous place to render the final pages. That is how normally printed books are done but we fortunately don't have to create hundreds of pages and use giant, high pressure cutters to get things to the proper size.

When creating text boxes (or graphics) in pages it is important to use the Inspector set on the "Wrap" tab so that you can cancel the "Objects cause text to wrap" setting. Unless that exactly what you what for that particular object, be it text o graphic. It is also helpful to make sure it is set to 'float.' that way, you can drag the object around anywhere on your screen to any page, anywhere.

Once you've done one piece of non-standard paper it will become second nature. Trust me! coolio.gif
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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2008, 06:37:08 PM »
Oops! oops.gif I forgot the next most important point! Once you get most of page 1 finished, you should go ahead and create a place for the stuff that goes on the other side of this piece of paper (pages 2 and 3).

A. If you did not divide that original, wide text box use the "Insert -> Section Break" and you'll get a completely new piece of paper (actually the other side of the first one. Proceed to create more text boxes at your discretion! smile.gif

B. If you have two columns, put the cursor in the left-hand, default text box and use "Insert -> Column Break." The cursor will now be in that second column.

C. Now use "Insert -> Section Break" and you be at exactly the same place that you'd end up with step "A." above.
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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2008, 10:23:43 PM »
Brief answer, ABD . . . until I print out and follow the whole regimen

One sheet of 11x17, landscape will two 8.5x11 pages (portrait). The printing will be front and back, but the layout doesn't have to be, since I'm not duplexing in my spanking new printer.

I'm merely running the copy through twice x 350. But since my new HP has a "capacity" of 1000s and 100s per month, I doubt if it will even work up a sweat.

Tech Sidebar. I can't imagine a better, faster printer for the $$ than this new 5200. They really don't make 'em like they used to.
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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2008, 09:21:16 AM »
Memories... I used good old Claris/Appleworks back in the day to make just such a newsletter for our teachers' association. Worst part of the whole thing was standing in Staples running the paper through their slow printers for hundreds of copies...then flipping and doing it all over again for the other side...then folding them all.

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« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2008, 09:59:55 AM »
Fortunately, our 32 page booklet will be professionally printed and spiral bound. Expensive but the organization is paying for it! And the printer says PDFs will be great! And they still have the front page with the organization's color logo, all they'll do is change the date and place info. No printing, turning, folding, stapling, paper cuts on the hand, etc.

Things have really changed in the consumer printer field, duplex, orientation switching on the second pass, speed, size, cost, just keeps getting better. smile.gif
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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2008, 10:28:24 AM »
The "Ladies (and gentlemen) of the Club" will do all the folding/mailing, thank you. I'ze jest da Publisher, hoping this will work well. You may, however, get a call requesting a "consultation" in the next couple of days, ABD.  huh.gif  (BTW, got your e-missive. Thank you!)

I agree, that when Kinko's began accepting pdfs, life got simpler. However, "shoestring" hardly describes the "Friends" budget for newsletters, so my volunteering to do more than page-makeup was warmly welcomed (irrespective of limits on my skill sets, which I have been quite successful in concealing, donchano).

I'm betting that the new Pages will ease the burden . . . hope . . . hope.   whistling.gif