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Offline kimmer

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« on: May 16, 2008, 07:25:15 PM »
I'm not discounting the death of the young girl, but I think this has wide reaching ramifications -- especially since so many of us use "screen names" and free email addys to join boards like this one:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gOejIp5...ofbW6wD90MTFM00

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,356435,00.html

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Prosecutors alleged that by helping create a MySpace account in the name of someone who didn't exist, Lori Drew, 49, violated the News Corp.-owned site's terms of service and thus illegally accessed protected computers.

Legal experts warned Friday that such an interpretation could criminalize routine behavior on the Internet. After all, people regularly create accounts or post information under aliases for many legitimate reasons, including parody, spam avoidance and a desire to maintain their anonymity or privacy online or that of a child.


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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2008, 09:38:29 PM »
I don't think (although I haven't done enough of that lately!) that using an alias is what is/was illegal. The posting of dangerous, negative, personal attacks is what was/is against the policies of many forums. Furthermore, I think the owners become liable if they claim that they will be monitoring all the posts and then don't. That is one reason you can find some forums which explicitly state that posts will not be monitored, even if they agree to remove those that are brought to the owners attention.

Of course, that's just my humble opinion. No telling what some judge/court may come up with! eek2.gif

So, I don't think you are a criminal. At least until I get the final report from the Oregon State Attorney.
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2008, 07:31:23 AM »
From what I've read of this case, it sounds like they've "stretched" this law to fit the crime, mostly because there was no other way they could hold the mother accountable for the girl's suicide. In this case, at least, I'm with the prosecutors. Otherwise, the woman would go without being charged for any wrongdoing whatsoever.

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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2008, 10:07:27 AM »
The crime is not in the medium it's carried out in but in the action itself and the intent in which it's carried out!  The internet is just an extension of society and is neither good or evil.

I'm getting fed up with the accumulation of laws that, whatever their aim, only serve to hamper freedom!
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2008, 11:23:20 AM »
QUOTE(dboh @ May 17 2008, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
From what I've read of this case, it sounds like they've "stretched" this law to fit the crime, mostly because there was no other way they could hold the mother accountable for the girl's suicide. In this case, at least, I'm with the prosecutors. Otherwise, the woman would go without being charged for any wrongdoing whatsoever.


Not really. The issue at hand is the MySpace Terms of Service.

MySpace owns the servers that their site runs on. They give people permission to use those servers only under certain circumstances. The permission to use those servers is contained in the Terms of Service.

Some of MySpace's terms say that you can not lie about your age, and you can not use their service to harass, threaten, or intimidate anyone.

When you violate the terms of service of an online provider, you do not have permission to use their servers. Using someone's servers without their permission is a crime; if it weren't, then it would be impossible to prosecute any case of computer hacking. The defendant in this case created a profile that lied about her age, and used that profile to harass another person. Those are clear violations of the MySpace terms; ergo, she did not have permission to use the MySpace servers.

People can and have been prosecuted for a lot less. For example, people have been prosecuted for using someone else's WiFi router without permission. This case is much more clear-cut and far more straightforward than those cases!

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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2008, 11:51:15 AM »
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Some of MySpace's terms say that you can not lie about your age, and you can not use their service to harass, threaten, or intimidate anyone.


I do think what this so-called adult woman did is horrid and she should be punished; but the part that has many legal experts a bit concerned is that they are also going after her because she used a fake name and birth date when she signed up -- something many folks routinely do at MySpace, Yahoo, G-Mail, boards, etc.. I'm aware that the TOS forbid this, but lots of folks do it anyway. They don't do it to be criminals, normally it's to cut back on spam and for some protection from the nut balls that are on the net.

I have visions of DA's going after the millions of Yahoo users who have accts with fake names, etc.