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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2010, 07:00:12 PM »
It would be a lot cheaper to simply obey the speed limits...but then, some of us seem to think those kinds of laws are only for less important people... rolleyes.gif I have absolutely no compassion for speeders, anywhere, caught by any legal means. Next to drunk drivers, they are the most dangerous drivers around. If you think you have a need for speed, become a race car driver...and get off the streets/highways, for your own if not our safety. rant.gif

Ever notice how many people caught by these cameras is a 'passenger?' Since when did letting some one else drive your car relieve you of responsibilities for damages caused by it? dntknw.gif
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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2010, 06:15:46 AM »
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Jun 22 2010, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Next to drunk drivers, they are the most dangerous drivers around.


Actually, that's not true. If you look at NTSB accident and safety statistics, the most dangerous driving behaviors are drunk driving, distracted driving (for example, using a cell phone or eating while driving), aggressive tailgating, aggressive road behavior (abusing, insulting, yelling at, or making rude gestures to or at other drivers), and weather conditions. Speeding, of and by itself, is considerably further down the list.

QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Jun 22 2010, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ever notice how many people caught by these cameras is a 'passenger?' Since when did letting some one else drive your car relieve you of responsibilities for damages caused by it? dntknw.gif


Traffic laws in the United States hold the operator of the vehicle, not the owner, responsible. (Holding the owner responsible would be too easy a dodge; every driver of a company-owned vehicle, for example, would be off the hook. People could dodge responsibility for auto tickets by forming a corporation, registering the car with the corporation, then dissolving the corporation if they get a ticket--if the owner were responsible rather than the driver, that responsibility would evaporate when the corporation was dissolved.)

And cities do sometimes tend to enforce driver speed limits in ways that have nothing to do with safety. One common trick in the Deep South used to be to take a 50-foot-long stretch of road, lower the speed limit just on that tiny bit of road by 10 or 20 miles an hour, then sit back and let the $$$money$$$ come pouring in from speeding tickets.

There is a small town in Florida, Waldo, that makes 70% of its total income by ticketing out-of-town drivers. Their roads are mostly 55 MPH, but they will go from 55 to 45 to 55 to 45 and then back to 55 again in as little as half a mile. Almost every citizen in the entire town is employed directly or indirectly by the police; the citizens pay very low property taxes because of all the $$$$$$$$$ that they make ticketing people. No reasonable person would say that they are doing it for safety!

Recently, the state supreme court in Missouri ordered the state to refund every person who was ticketed by red light cameras, AND pay for any increased car insurance rates, when it was found that city contractors had deliberately rigged the cameras in order to issue more tickets. The state had a deal with the camera manufacturers; the state got the cameras free, and in exchange the company that made the cameras got 50% of all money from tickets. The contractors who installed the cameras made the yellow lights shorter than Federal law permits, in order to increase the amount of money the company got from red light tickets. By making the yellow lights very short, the cameras would fire more often, issuing more tickets. The contractors were paid bonuses every time they made changes that resulted in more tickets.

So don't automatically assume that the police are right or that speeding is the most dangerous behavior. Taint always true!
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2010, 05:17:41 PM »
Disclaimer: I got pulled over by a group of officers who were 'stationed' in a parking lot so they could issue the tickets for 45 in a 40 zone. They would take turns sticking the radar gun around the corner of the building blocking their activities and run out into the middle of the street and pull over five to ten cars at a time. Strangely, they seemed to think it safe to do that despite the "speeding madmen!" nono.gif

I was naive enough to think that I was actually being pulled in to be thanked for having my two teenaged passengers buckled up! rofl.gif I dropped that idea rather quickly as the crowd of cars were directed into the lot (so many that the police had to act as traffic control to get the street clear).

When I reported to the Judge, I met almost a hundred others who had been ticketed at the same place that day. I'm sure the majority of them were missing work to be there only to have the Judge dismiss our tickets. Needless to say, I considered this pure thievery, even though I was out only the parking costs. Speed Trap, in a city? End-of-Month quota filling? Sending a message to all those stopped? Who knows? Fair? Not in my book. Were we all driving above the 40mph limit? Probably, we were all still pretty well spaced out but moving together in the three lanes without any apparent trouble... Contesting the fine would have been even more time consuming and costly.

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I don't assume the police are always right (see above, and that only speaks to their motives). Of course, I'd never suggest that to an Officer! wink.gif And there are cities and contractors who rig the lights for increased profits. But I don't particularly rely on statistics on causes of vehicular accidents. The fines/sentences for driving under the influence are probably higher/longer than simple speeding. So which 'cause' gets put on the report?
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aggressive tailgating, aggressive road behavior (abusing, insulting, yelling at, or making rude gestures to or at other drivers), and weather conditions.
And, which one of those categories doesn't usually involve a 'need' to go faster? I contend that much tailgating is because the 'gater' can't pass the 'tail.' The aggressive behavior is often due to the same problem - the inability to pass a 'too slow' vehicle. Speeding itself, is, by my definition, "aggressive road behavior." Fortunately, I'm not a judge, much less a police officer. wink.gif As for "weather conditions," the ones I know of were the result of going faster than was safe in those conditions. I suppose there are a few people killed by falling trees...and certainly many get washed into swollen rivers/creeks...but even some of those were driving too fast to stop in time. "Speeding" is sometimes only tangentially related to speed laws.

I won't argue with statistics, but I will argue that the "causes" listed are far from throughly investigated, detailed and researched. There is simply not enough man-power and time to investigate traffic "accidents." Usually nothing is "researched" except the length of skid marks and breathalyzer results. The first are often inaccurate due to factors such as road surfaces, tire conditions and inflation pressures, when the brakes were first applied and for how long and with what pressure, the effectiveness of the brakes, etc. Breathalyzer/blood tests are only applicable in certain alcohol related crashes. Even then, different folk react differently to the same amount of almost any sedative or stimulant.

The main problem with driving is that we do it so often that we convince ourselves that we are better at it than we probably are. If we go for years/decades without a mishap, we take that as further proof. Instead, we should be asking critical questions of any 'near-misses' and consider that they may not have been because of our own abilities to avoid the recklessness of someone else. The old adage about flying could be just as well applied to driving; "If you aren't just a little bit scared, you shouldn't be flying." Just replace "flying" with "driving," "boating," "cycling," "mountain climbing," etc. Basically any human activity that can result in death of you or someone else.

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And remember, do like I say, not how I do... rolleyes.gif
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2010, 03:06:38 AM »
So one of my sweeties just got a traffic ticket here in Portland on a totally bogus improper-lane-change charge. The cop who wrote the ticket told her that he saw her make an illegal lane change from a parking lot across four lanes of very heavy traffic and over a line of shrubs.

We went to court, and boy was THAT an illuminating experience. We brought in pictures of the spot where she supposedly changed lanes, a Google Earth view of the street, you name it. I thought we were ready for anything, and we were...except one thing.

The one thing we were not ready for is that the cop would lie on the stand under oath. Didn't expect that! He told the judge that he could tell she had improperly changed lanes because he said he saw her car *drive up over the concrete median in the road.* I just sat there with my mouth hanging open. I might be naive, but I sincerely did not expect an officer of the law to commit perjury over a traffic ticket!
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2010, 03:20:05 AM »
tacit, are you going to continue to fight the ticket?

After your experience, you might 'enjoy': The Smoking Gun: Day by Day Through a Shocking Murder Trial with Gerry Spence.

This is the story of the defense of Sandy Jones in Oregon on the charge of murder. The murder took place in my county, and much of the story revolves around this area and people from this area.

I lean toward law enforcement (but I've never been so naive as to believe that we all got equal justice -- sorry history shows that money tends to buy justice no matter where you live). Anyhow, give me testimony from 2 witnesses, both equally believable, and ask me to decide which I will give weight to and go with as the 'truth' -- until now I would have said I'd believe the law enforcement guy. Now? Well, not in this county I wouldn't. I knew there was the "good ol' boy" system here, but never, never, NEVER did I dream it could all be SO corrupt. Worse, some of those involved are still practicing their chosen profession in this state (some in this area, some in other areas). I found this a page turner (even though I knew the final verdict), and I found myself sickened by what I read.

Here's a snippet of what the author has on his web site:
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This is a true murder mystery, a thriller that portrays the nearly helpless state in which most of the poor of America find themselves when they are confronted with the power of a cruel, and relentless justice system that has only one goal-to convict, whether the defendant in their sights is guilty or not.


Excellent recap of case:
http://www.motherinterrupted.us/smoking.htm

Author/Atty's web site:
http://www.gerryspence.com/smokinggun.html


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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2010, 05:38:01 PM »
@ tacit:
It may be too late or you may not have the time, but, unless your friend was driving some kind of vehicle with extra ground clearance, it might be hard to prove it is capable of driving over a concrete median. Thinking.gif At least without causing some damage or at least making some marks on said median...not to mention the vehicle. rolleyes.gif

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give me testimony from 2 witnesses, both equally believable, and ask me to decide which I will give weight to and go with as the 'truth'
But in tacit's case, neither of the two people should be considered "witnesses," in my humble opinion. The defendant obviously has an "axe" to grind, even if he is innocent. And the arresting/ticketing officer obviously wants to "defend" his actions. That's why this is called 'adversarial' law. A witness [/i]should have no concern about anything other than stating what was 'witnessed.' Unfortunately, three "witnesses" can be standing side-by-side and report (and even swear to) seeing three different events. Human make very unreliable "witnesses." That was one of the problems traffic camera's were supposed to avoid. Unfortunately, they don't always record/report everything that is/was happening. And, as I said earlier, it seems that the vast majority of the owners have lent their vehicles to less careful drivers. In fact, they even seem unafraid to ride with them! eek2.gif Unless you're taking me to an emergency room, if you're driving my car and run a red light or other obvious traffic rule, you'll be pulling into the next, safe parking area and be in the backseat very quickly! "The rules are not made for everyone else..." nono.gif
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