Is anyone running Lion from the download at Apple?

[Xairbusdriver]

Of course, FM has been Intel capable for some years...and AppZapper has many competitors, none of these types apps ever having been determined to be completely safe, much less 100% effective.

Perhaps a more active and thorough reading (and the dreaded Search function!!!) of TS might also be helpful? <Posted May 8, 2011>

[Paddy]

QUOTE(jb @ Jul 26 2011, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

iMac Intel i3 21.5” OS 10.6.8, (10.7 ?)

Downloaded OS 10.7 and installed it on a separate External Disc.

Of course I did not make a copy of the .dmg file so that i can't make a reinstall unless I pay again another 30 bucks.

I don't know if I'm going to make use of it anyway if it performs the way it does now.
- I can't move the Dock to the RH side of the screen, only to the bottom or to the LH side.
- It may be finger (or brain) problem, but I can't make a "Save as" of a simple TextEdit file.
- I can't disable the F1 to F4 keys so that I can reprogram them to do something else.
- And of course most of my apps don't work since most of them are PPC apps.

And besides my OS 10.6.8 runs like "a son of a gun" and rarely crashes. So i think it's going
to be a "Hello 10.7, Goodbye 10.7" and return to my faithful 10.6.8.
Positive and negative comments are welcome.

jb

PS No problem with the "reverse scrolling"

1. You can re-download the Lion installer any time you please once you've paid. I know this because I tried it. You won't get charged again. I made a USB stick because I didn't want to go through 4 GB of bandwidth every time I updated another household Mac. While we have plenty of bandwidth at home (150GB a month, since Rogers just upped it last week on our tier) we have a somewhat more limited plan at the cottage and that's where we are now with 2 Macs.
2. Dock preferences haven't changed since SL. You can still move the Dock to the right or the left or the bottom - see the Dock prefs in the System prefs. (tried it too, just to check - just give it a few seconds to actually move)
3. What Jim said - just click Duplicate if you need a different copy than the original. Rename, done.
4. In the System Prefs->Keyboard, tick the "Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys" box and then reprogram away. Using any of these keys and the "fn" key will give you their standard Mac functions after you do that. Other options - See: http://www.joshsunshine.me.uk/2011/07/rema...y-to-launchpad/
5. Bite the bullet and update applications? Sorry - the fact that PPC apps won't work in Lion has been well publicized for a very long time and there isn't anything you can do other than update (or stick with the older OS).

[jb]

Thanks Paddy.

1- How do you go about re-downloading Lion. I go to the app Store, click on Lion, but nothing happens.
    Please give me a set of step by step instructions to do the re-downloading Lion.
2- The Dock does not want to go to the right. I waited 5 minutes. When I click to go to the centre from the right selection,
    the Dock flashes on the right and reappears in the centre. That's why I want to reinstall 10.7.
3- OK. I wonder why they changed this particular menu.
4- All F Keys are now programmable. I should have remembered this one. There are more and more neurones getting
    disconnected.
5- I guess I will have to bite the bullet if I want to keep up with the big boys. I made my first move toward that by buying
    EazyDraw to translate some of my Appleworks drawings. I installed copies in both my 10.6.8 and 10.7 systems. I guess
    I'll slowly move to 10.7. I hope there will be enough neurones that stay connected to make it all the way!!!

Thanks again.

jb

[Paddy]

Not sure what is happening with your Dock prefs - perhaps they're corrupted. Try deleting the associated .plist file - User->Library->Preferences->com.Apple.dock.plist. You will need to make your user Library visible to do this. As I posted above, go to the Terminal and type "chflags nohidden ~/Library" without the quotes. Do be careful to include the spaces.

Just discovered something rather cool about Lion. If you click on a .plist in list view, in the right hand column, you'll get the actual .plist data (without having to choose to open it in a text app). I can see, for instance, that I have the Dock at the bottom. You could of course try editing that in a text app, if all else fails - just change "bottom" to "right". Will the Dock move to the left if you select that in the prefs? If not, I'd say there is definitely something wrong with the .plist.

As for re-downloading Lion, you can't do it by just hitting the button (which no doubt says "Installed") - you need to hold down the Option button and click on "Purchased" at the top of the window in the App store. Then it will come up and you can click on the Install button again, which will re-download it. Note: You do NOT need to do this if you're downloading it to another Mac you own that doesn't yet have Lion installed - you only need to do this if you want to make a USB or DVD install disk and forgot to do it BEFORE you installed Lion.

[Xairbusdriver]

I think Apple is making use of Quicklook (which I think that's what you're seeing) in more parts of the OS. I think I read about the automatic display in Finder but I thoght it was in Column View (I tend to forget there even are other Views!!! ).

Have you tried moving a file/folder/etc. with command-c/command-v? Same commands as used for copy and pasting items in a document can now be used in Finder for moving a file (with or without making a duplicate). Could be useful in keeping the number of Finder windows down, I guess, otherwise, I don't see any big deal about it. Most people simply can't understand what can be done and assume "Cut/Copy & Paste" is only for content, not files (as has been done in Windows for quite some time). I can see Windows users (new to Mac) using it, but it's hardly anything a long time Mac user would even find, much less use.

As with any new version of software, there are usually lots of changes/tweaks/additions and, it seems, very few people ever take the time to search them out or try them. They may be too much like me; set in their 'old ways!'

[jb]

iMac Intel i3 21.5” OS 10.6.8, (10.7 ?)

Thanks again Paddy.

1- Made User->Library visible through Terminal as you suggested. I deleted com.apple.dock.plist and restarted.
     No change, cannot move the dock to the right. I can move it to the lett and to the bottom, but not to the right.
 
2- I do not see the actual data in the RH side column of a .plist in List view. I did open the dock.plist with BBEdit,
     and edited the text from "left" to "bottom" to "right". Upon restarting, the dock appears to the left or to the centre
     but not to the right.

3- I have been trying for the last 24 hours at different times to re-download 10.7 without success.
     I followed your directions and after selecting the purchased selection of 10.7 and clicking again on the "Installed" button,    
     nothing happens, even after an hour.

4- So after reading in an OS 10.7 Support article about a System reinstall, I restarted holding
     Command+R and sure enough a reinstallation of 10.7 began. But after the reinstallation I still
     cannot move the Dock to the right side.

5- I wonder if I'll ever be able to re-download 10.7. May be in a month's time when the App Store gets less busy with 10.7.

jb

PS. There is no problem with installing applicable apps. Microsoft Office 2011 installed in a relative jiffy. Others as well.
        Still, that Dock is bugging me!

[jchuzi]

QUOTE(Paddy @ Jul 27 2011, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You will need to make your user Library visible to do this. As I posted above, go to the Terminal and type "chflags nohidden ~/Library" without the quotes. Do be careful to include the spaces.

TinkerTool System now allows this via a GUI, assuming that you don't mind paying the fee.

[Paddy]

QUOTE(jb @ Jul 28 2011, 01:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

iMac Intel i3 21.5” OS 10.6.8, (10.7 ?)

Thanks again Paddy.

1- Made User->Library visible through Terminal as you suggested. I deleted com.apple.dock.plist and restarted.
     No change, cannot move the dock to the right. I can move it to the lett and to the bottom, but not to the right.
 
2- I do not see the actual data in the RH side column of a .plist in List view. I did open the dock.plist with BBEdit,
     and edited the text from "left" to "bottom" to "right". Upon restarting, the dock appears to the left or to the centre
     but not to the right.

3- I have been trying for the last 24 hours at different times to re-download 10.7 without success.
     I followed your directions and after selecting the purchased selection of 10.7 and clicking again on the "Installed" button,    
     nothing happens, even after an hour.

4- So after reading in an OS 10.7 Support article about a System reinstall, I restarted holding
     Command+R and sure enough a reinstallation of 10.7 began. But after the reinstallation I still
     cannot move the Dock to the right side.

5- I wonder if I'll ever be able to re-download 10.7. May be in a month's time when the App Store gets less busy with 10.7.

jb

PS. There is no problem with installing applicable apps. Microsoft Office 2011 installed in a relative jiffy. Others as well.
        Still, that Dock is bugging me!

As for (3) the reinstall - you can't redownload it by pressing the "Installed" button. That's why I posted the directions on how to do it. Try this (slight modification - hold option key WHILE opening App store): Close Appstore. Hold down option while clicking open appstore. Keep it held and click purchases. And then keep holding option and click Lion. BTW - you have checked your Applications folder to make sure it isn't there already? It will be called "Install Mac OS Lion" if memory serves.

I don't know what is the matter with your Dock - mine goes wherever I want it to, so I've not had to do any troubleshooting there. You could try reinstalling the Dock using Pacifist to open the installer package contents and finding just that app. (after you re-download Lion, that is. )

You also might want to try cleaning cache files - I'd use Onyx for that.

[Xairbusdriver]

I think it is extremely important that everyone be on the same "page." When discussing what is done, please state exactly which OS you are operating under. This is especially important when you have two OSs installed. Steps suggested may be when operating in one OS but not applicable in the other. Likewise, results seen in one OS may not be the same when operating in the other. I'm not the brightest "son" in my family, but I am finding it next to impossible to keep track of who is running in which OS and in which OS the suggestions are to be used. If anything, it's now worse than with Leopard/Snow Leopard. Of course, having an "App" section in iTunes 'Store' plus having an "Mac App Store" doesn't help...

For this thread to be of help to others, these details need to be clear and explicit. Thanks.

[jb]

Thanks all. I give up!! (For now anyway) No matter what I try, including STRICTLY following  
Paddy's instructions, I just can't re-download 10.7. No matter what I do the same screen with the "Installed" button keeps showing up. And yes I see the screen with all my purchases, but clicking on my 10.7 purchase keeps bringing me back to the "Installed" button page. And no
Paddy, the "Install Mac OS Lion" folder is not in the Applications folder. And cleaning the caches
with Onyx did not help to allow the Dock to be put on the RH side.

jb

[Paddy]

QUOTE(jb @ Jul 28 2011, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Thanks all. I give up!! (For now anyway) No matter what I try, including STRICTLY following  
Paddy's instructions, I just can't re-download 10.7. No matter what I do the same screen with the "Installed" button keeps showing up. And yes I see the screen with all my purchases, but clicking on my 10.7 purchase keeps bringing me back to the "Installed" button page. And no
Paddy, the "Install Mac OS Lion" folder is not in the Applications folder. And cleaning the caches
with Onyx did not help to allow the Dock to be put on the RH side.

jb

jb, when you hold down the option key (hold it down before you click on the App store application) and click on the Purchased button, you should get a list that includes Lion and there should be a button beside it that says "Install". For me, clicking on that starts the download - I just checked. And yes, I do have Lion installed on this Mac. Do you not get the "Install" button - not "installed" which you see if you simply log into the App store?

As for the Dock issue, I'd try posting that question on the Apple forums. Nobody else has posted about that issue there or anywhere else that I can find, so it's definitely an odd one.

BTW - try repairing permissions. You never know...And also run Disk Utility "verify disk" to see if there are any directory errors.