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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2003, 04:24:00 PM »
The more they talk about their continued commitment to the Mac platform the more I worry....

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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2003, 07:55:00 PM »
Geesh, talk about fox in the henhouse.
This is the fox buying the henhouse.

I do not see this in the positive spin that the Apple people have expressed. I sure hope someone comes along with a competing application.

What ever happened to SoftWindows?


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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2003, 08:47:00 PM »
VPC is a good product...a Mac product... and our standards have always been high.    

So, maybe Apple isn't woried too much because OS X is UNIX and there's always this:

http://www.winehq.com/

...bring it on M$.

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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2003, 08:49:00 PM »
Answering my own question...

 Softwindows fate

The only other competition was RealPC which FWB also owned is now apparently dead as well.

This means the greatest monopoly now has control of the only software that can let Macs use Windows programs. Can you say, disaster?    

EDIT: just saw kps's answer. I guess it's only the OS9 users that will be screwed  
 
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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2003, 10:12:00 PM »
Why would they do this except to screw around with Apple?  

There can't be enough money in it to bother.

Kind of sickening.
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2003, 10:42:00 PM »
Not happy here, but not surprised.    

    MicroSoft monopoly        

Ohh, bad, I used that word twice in one day...
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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2003, 03:44:00 PM »
WINE will not run under OS X. WINE does not emulate an Intel processor or PC hardware. It only emulates the Windows API. Because of that, it will only run on Intel processors.
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2003, 04:07:00 PM »
True, but I was looking at the broader picture...

Could it work when combined with an emulator? Apple could help this project if it became necessary.

Another possibility is that Apple may drop the PPC at some time or another, especially if confronted with MS abandoning Office or VPC. We know the pros and cons of that, it's been debated to no end, but one never knows.

OTOH, the MBU may continue to develop and support all it's products...

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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2003, 09:36:00 AM »
Here's an optimist of sorts  

http://new.lowendmac.com/archive/03/0221.html

But then there's:

(Editor's note: Virtual PC with Red Hat Linux has already disappeared from the Connectix website.)
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2003, 05:07:00 AM »
Read more spin:

 MS responds

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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2003, 12:05:00 PM »
FWIW, I used VPC versions 2.0 through 3.something in order to run Windoze NT under OS 8.x on my G3 DT (400 MHz zif 768 MB RAM) and found its performance barely acceptable, but I had to run NT because the Windoze applications I needed to run required it.

Later, I ran Windoze 98 in VPC and found its performance way better than NT on the same Mac, and subsequently I tried RealPC, which I found performed even better emulating Win98 than did VPC 3.x.

Since then, I got away from filling my occasional need for Windoze apps through emulation and instead bought an older peasea (for less than the cost of the latest version of VPC) on which I run Win 2000 (aka NT 5).  

One interesting thing I discovered:

The Windoze world is not monolithic, but 'fragmented', with the vast majority of applications designed to run under Win95 / 98, and many will not run under Win NT / 2000 (I do not know how ME or XP fit into this picture) - in some ways, it's similar to using a Mac, in that many applications are simply not available unless you use Win 95 / 98, even though they're all Windoze.

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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2003, 12:30:00 PM »
I've been finding that out since getting the Dell running XP Pro. I pass over any software which doesn't have xp listed in the system requirements. NT and XP share the same kernel, but XP has features built in that let older or ME/98 software run. There's even a way to get really old DOS apps to run on XP. NT does not have this capability.

How well this works in reallity I do not know, as I have no need for it at the moment.

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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2003, 02:51:00 PM »
<< What a revoltin' development this is! >>

Chester A. Riley

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<< [Editor's note: Virtual PC with Red Hat Linux has already disappeared from the Connectix website.] >>

Most interesting . . .

I find it interesting also that this bit of news hasn't registeread the slightest blip on the Linux websites that I frequent.  Even sites that are normally quick to respond with vituperative paranoia to any and every move related to Microsoft vs. Linux.

The reason for the nonreaction seems to be - my vague impression, anyway - that Virtual PC with Red Hat Linux is virtually a non-issue in the Linux world.  It is rarely mentioned in the Linux press, and when it has been, there has usually been no discussion.  I.e., no interest.  I do not recall ever seeing it mentioned on a Linux bulletin board. I never heard of anybody using it.

Checking out the Red Hat web site I see virtually no mention of Virtual PC for Red Hat Linux.

So - the Linux folk haven't even noticed it's passing. It is already a non-issue.

I don't think I'll bring it up to them - it would just spawn a bit of gentle Macintosh-bashing over how this is a problem for the Macintosh world, not for Linux - that if you're gonna play with fire, you're gonna get burned - and that this is just one more reason to go the Linux route over the Mac.

It's too easy a shot.

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I never have run a Wintel emulator on any of my Macs.  Never had the need.

I have long heard that, performancewise, it may make as much sense to just buy a cheap Wintel PC, network it with your Mac, and run both off a KVM switch than to run a software Wintel emulator directly on the Mac.

But different people have different needs.

If Virtual PC for Macintosh continues to do the job for those who need it, great.  I expect that they will stick with the program.

In the best of all possible worlds, Microsoft should be able to make it the best program that it can possibly be. Virtual PC for Macintosh users may end up becoming very happy campers due to this deal.

And if Microsoft chooses to play it's usual games with the program, well - in an era of $199 PCs - should a Macintosh user still need to run some Microsoft PC programs - just getting a second computer to sit next to your Mac while networking and running both off a KVM switch may make more and more sense.

This will be interesting to watch - from a respectful distance.

Regards,  

Epaminondas

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<< What a revoltin' development this is! >>

The exasperating cry of Chester A. Riley, heard each week on the sitcom THE LIFE OF RILEY/NBC/1949-58. Chester was a softhearted aircraft factory worker living in Los Angeles with his long-suffering wife, Peg [Rosemary DeCamp]; his younger son, Junior [Lanny  Rees]; and his older daughter, Babs [Gloria Winters]. The phrase "What a revoltin' development this is!" was first coined by the sharp-witted comedian, Groucho Marx during a phone conversation with the series' creator Irving Brecher in the 1940s. Brecher originally wrote the "Riley" script for a radio program slated to star comedian Groucho Marx. It was to be called THE FLOTSAM FAMILY. However, the attempt at selling the script failed. Upon hearing the bad news Groucho remarked "What a revoltin' development this is!" Brecher's found the phrase very unique and asked if he could use it. Groucho agreed. Brecher rewrote/repackaged the script under the title THE LIFE OF RILEY and the rest was not so revoltin'. Jackie Gleason was the first to play Chester A. Riley on television [1949-50]. Later, William Bendix, who originally starred on the radio version of the series, assumed the role of Riley for the remainder of the series run. Groucho Marx went on to host the spectacularly popular game/audience participation show YOU BET YOUR LIFE/NBC/1950-61. TRIVIA NOTE: Daffy Duck says the phrase just after being suited up in a toreador outfit by the bull in the animated feature Mexican Joyride [1947]. >>
 
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