delete changes to undelete

[jchuzi]

I have a new iMac (see my signature) running Sequoia. There are two accounts in Mail, IMAP and POP. In the IMAP account, when I try to delete or batch-delete, the Delete icon changes to Undelete and there seems to be no way to delete those emails short of quitting Mail and relaunching it (and I'm not sure if that is consistent). How do I turn this off? It doesn't happen in the POP account.

Also, in Mail and Safari, words appear that are suggested as I type. How do I turn this off?

[jchuzi]

The solution to the first issue seems to be to disable Mail > Settings >Privacy > Protect Mail Activity. This bug feature was not in Mail in Big Sur, my previous OS. Time will tell.

The solution to the second issue is to go to System Settings > Keyboard > Text Input > Edit and turn off Show inline predictive text.

[Xairbusdriver]

John, we are sending you a bill for violating one of the sites (unwritten [even hidden] ) rules. You are not allowed to answer your own questions within 23 hours of posting the question. This has led to many members actually searching the web and sometimes OS preferences/settings and gaining new insights into the wonders of Apple's cleverness.

We would also like to publicly thank you for being one of the few members actually offering simple and effective answers to questions. I have asked that your "Payment for Correct Answers" be raised to the next higher level. Enjoy the extra cache!!

[jchuzi]

Thanks for raising my pay! Unfortunately, the fix for Delete changing to Undelete does not work. I have, however, found a workaround. Select the emails in the IMAP account that I want to delete and drag them into the POP account's trash.

[jchuzi]

It also works to drag the emails into the IMAP trash. That way, they can still be retrieved if desired.

[jchuzi]

I contacted Apple Support and was told that this behavior should not occur. The tech was unable to find a solution except to pass it on to the powers-that-be and to suggest that the next software update might include a fix. He also suggested that I delete the IMAP account and add it back. The last time that I did this, I lost all my wife's emails and she still has not forgiven me. Besides, the problem resides in Mail, not my ISP (the issue never occurred in Big Sur). I also filed a bug report with Apple.

[Xairbusdriver]

Most important tech support rule: Don't touch anything belonging to wife's stuff!! Especially if it works the way she wants!!

"next software update might include a fix" and pigs may also fly!

[krissel]

Recently i've had a similar issue with deleting an email either in the main window list or while email is open only to see that it is still there and not in Trash. If I try to delete via button bar at top, it says Undelete, meaning it recognized my action but didn't do it. This seems to happen only occasionally and usually to newsletters.


This was really annoying and nothing seemed to change it no matter what I did. However, it seems to correct itself after the Mac has been put to sleep for a while. The next time I wake it the items have been moved. A Mail rebuild might fix it but want to weed out old emails first so for now i'm just living with it. 


Mac running Monterey.

[jchuzi]

I tried a Mail rebuild and it change anything, except to take an inordinate amount of time.

[Xairbusdriver]

Jon: "[didn't] change anything, except to take an inordinate amount of time." Yeah, most people only use that item once... unless their memory fades a bit.

It could be that we don't always see an immediate delete/change because that task is assigned a low priority. If the computer/app is busy at something else, that task just has to wait a bit.

As for the "Delete" changing to "Un...", that was a UI groups call:
1 Lie to the user. It's not nice to fool folks into thinking things are happening faster that they actually are. Maybe show a progress bar? (Marketing prolly won't like that!)
2 Wait for task completion and make things look like the computer/app is not working or slow? I thought that's what the spinning pizza was for.

Of course there is a teeny, tiny possibility that there is some kynd uv erer in the coad.

[krissel]

In the image you can see the three emails (one highlighted and two below it) that I deleted but refused to go away. Note that the size shows zero. Most likely they will be gone later today after the Mac sleeps and awakens. 

[jchuzi]

Another annoyance is that, apparently, Mail downloads several copies of the same message. Another gripe: The Develop menu in Safari no longer allows you to disable extensions. A workaround can be found at Use profiles in Safari on Mac but it's a bit of work.

[jchuzi]

I have a new iMac (see my signature) running Sequoia. There are two accounts in Mail, IMAP and POP. In the IMAP account, when I try to delete or batch-delete, the Delete icon changes to Undelete and there seems to be no way to delete those emails short of quitting Mail and relaunching it (and I'm not sure if that is consistent). How do I turn this off? It doesn't happen in the POP account.

If anyone is using Tahoe, do you see this? I have not yet upgraded to Tahoe and want to know in advance, if possible.

[Xairbusdriver]

Trying to remember the main differences between POP and IMAP. One that I seem to remember is that POP downloads to your machine AND removes it from their server at the same time. On the other hand, IMAP needs to note and complete your delete request from every device you have it accessible. That could take time and is a measure of safety. "It's not a bug, it's a feature"... whether you like it or not!

I would assume that the text changes from "Delete" to "Undelete" so you can decide you made a mizteak. And as long as l'm in the assuming mode(!), I assume that if you now select another email, the button reverts to "Delete". If I'm wrong, just blame the "assumption" code!

[jchuzi]

I blame the "assumption" mode. This issue is a royal PITA for my wife and threatens the survival of the computer!