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« on: September 21, 2003, 12:26:23 PM »
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Does Going Windows Save Schools Money?

http://www.lowendmac.com/macinschool/03/1019.html

Amusing. smile.gif

Schools will give kids new Windows on the world

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/09/17/Columns/..._give_kid.shtml

A rant.

Another School System's 'Switch by Subterfuge' for the Convenience of IT

http://www.lowendmac.com/lab/03/0918.html

BTW. Lowendmac seems to have a new URL. My old one wasn't working.

http://www.lowendmac.com/
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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2003, 12:28:15 AM »
Schools have built-in (already budgeted for) IT’s whether they have Mac’s or not. The PC are free lately, Gateway is local. OSX and it’s needed software was to big of a leap, add it all up and the numbers favor PC, even though the local school already had Blue Imacs in just about every room.

Oh ya kelly, Troxler is a regular read down here at the Sandbar! wink.gif

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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2003, 07:17:14 AM »
Hello kelly,

My my husband teaches at a parochial school in Providence. They have had PC's donated to them loaded with, of course, Windows. Since the last school year they have had nothing but problems.

The school is connected to an open line through the State of Rhode Island and is always "on". Apparently, they were infected with the MSBlaster Worm over the Summer.

My husband had spent more than two weeks preparing for the new school year and dutifully entering everything into the Computer. He and a few other teachers were chagrined to find that the work was lost. The Email for the School is down and some of those who used Internet Explorer were also down.

According to my husband, he can't get his computer to stay up long enough to do anything, it stops and restarts automatically.

I went to the Cox website and printed out the information for the him on how they should handle the problem. Unfortunately, in his case, he would have to boot up using the CD, which he doesn't have because the PC's came loaded with Windows.

The last I heard, the school was going to pay a consultant or Tech person to come in and fix the problems. This is really a shame, as the school is not rich and cannot afford to do this.

Until they can afford to do so, the computers remain unavailable to students and teachers alike.

I am going to have a word with the school principal and possibly with the Diocese to see if they would consider using Macs, if they can get the financial backing to do so.

Of course, the bottom line is that the children end up the losers here.

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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2003, 09:04:48 AM »
SB. No doubt OS X is a factor in some cases. smile.gif

And it's hard to beat free. But generally the money issue doesn't wash.

It would be better if it did. But too often it's bigoty and ignorance. dry.gif

And to my mind, folks protecting their own jobs and the status quo.

Mrs. L. Don't get your hopes up.

That experince is common.

Too bad Apple can't make better inroads because of it. huh.gif
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2003, 09:38:19 AM »
Another rant.  huh.gif

Idiots In Charge Of School Systems: Lemmings, Part II

http://www.macobserver.com/editorial/2003/...3/09/22.1.shtml
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2003, 09:56:36 AM »
New York City hired Dell to repair all the computers.  My district is all Mac.  Dell's service in just these first few weeks of school has been terrible.  They sent a team of 8 techs to catalog all of our computers.  The one in charge just graduated from technical school 3 months ago!

After they worked on the computers, including the Windows computers in the general office and the principal's office, the systems went down.  My principal lost all of her e-mail in her Outlook client.  She threw the Dell Interns :-) out of the office and warned them not to touch another thing-- and she's a Windows person!

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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2003, 01:20:19 PM »
Sandbox, a lot of schools don't have much of a budget for IT's!!! (By which I surmise you mean Information Technologists) My sister's school board, the Kawartha Pine Ridge Board of Education, which covers 7,000 square kilometres, serving over 44,000 students in 106 schools with over 8,000 computers, has exactly TWO techs for the southern half of the board (and two more for the northern half). And they're all using PC's...Needless to say, tech support is nonexistent. If something breaks, either she or one of the other teachers fixes it, or it remains unusable. Ontario's education budget problems are legendary, of course.

Compared to that, North Andover, MA is lucky, with two techs for 4,200 students and 1,400 computers in 8 schools (plus a couple of network managers and technology facilitators) but that doesn't even come close to the ratio found in industry - of about 50 computers per tech. Our district is 80% Mac and our new HS (opening in Jan. '04) will be almost all OS X, with the exception of a couple of PC language labs. Our techs have said that if they had to deal with more PC's than they already have, they'd be overwhelmed. As it is now, they're always behind. Right now, they figure that the PC's at 20% entail as much tech support time as the Macs at 80%.

As some of you know, North Andover was going all-PC at the new high school until a couple of things happened. I'd like to think that I at least had some influence (opening our superintendent's mind to the possibilities of OS X) - but a big part of it was our local Apple education rep's impeccable timing in calling and asking to do a presentation. The staff was already convinced - it was the administration that needed a big nudge in the right direction. They were also able to go and see a new high school in SW Massachusetts that had a fully functioning OS X network, with some PC's, and came away very impressed.

The lesson in all this? Apple needs to get OUT there and do their marketing - our rep has been wonderful (all of our principals speak highly of him). Dell and Gateway have been incredibly aggressive - Apple has to do likewise. Apple, if they play their cards right, actually still have the upper hand with some districts, because they're the known quantity and teachers are familiar with Macs. However, that edge is rapidly being eroded, as older teachers retire and Apple's years of laissez-faire marketing to the education market takes its toll. And, as always, it may take more than a little campaigning to convince the bean-counters at the top that spending a little more upfront can pay off big time in the long run.
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