For those who know HTML-Can you figure this out?

[Al]

Hi Gary,

That was for Safari, Gary, But I just checked with Netscape 7.1 and I still don't have to side scroll.  

[Gary S]

Al,
That's on OSX right? How about OS9x?

[Al]

Yeah, 7.1 Netscape and Safari on 10.2.8.

I just booted into 9.2.2 and tried it with Netscape 7.0.2 and had no problems.  No scrolling left or right.

Did the web master correct the errors?

[Paddy]

No, it doesn't appear that anything has been fixed. The problem is still there in Safari beyond a certain font size.

Try changing your font size, Al - I bet you can make it happen too. You can make it happen in Mozilla 1.4 and in Netscape 7.1, too (in Panther). No matter what you do in IE, the navigation stays put over the discussion forum.

Just use the command and '+' or '-' keys to fool around with it.

Here's an interesting site on CSS compatibility in the major browsers (and it's got most of the major players in the Mac world, except Omniweb):

http://www.quirksmode.org/css/contents.html

I tried running the page through the W3C's CSS validator at:
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator-uri.html

Most of the CSS was valid - the bits that weren't were not related to positioning of elements. So my guess is that it's something that isn't yet well implemented in Safari and Mozilla/Netscape. Not sure quite what, but it's possible that there is a different way of doing it that will make it work in all browsers, at all font sizes.

[Gary S]

Thanks Paddy.

They haven't fixed it yet. I still get the scrolling with Safari in OSX.2.8. I don't know Al's secret. There must be something with the fonts or something else.

i'm sure they will eventually get it working over there because there are more Mac users than I thought posting at that site.

[krissel]

Gary, I'm using Netscape 7.01 in OS 9.1 with the following settings and am not having problems.
My screen resolution is also 1024x768, thousands of colors, 19" monitor.

[Paddy]

In Netscape, at 1280X1024 on a 22" monitor, I have the font sizes set to 16 and 13 at 96dpi. I think that may have been a default - I have no recollection of ever changing it. Anyway, at my usual font size the site is fine. However, if I increase the sizes of the fonts using the "command" + "+" keys (NOT the Netscape preferences) then I can make the page appear just as it does in your screen shots. It only takes two increases in the size to make it do this. Try it. But you can increase the size of the fonts until the cows come home in IE and it always keeps the forum centered under the navigation bar, no matter how ridiculously huge you go. But it would appear to be the only browser that maintains the table position, though I haven't tried Opera or Omniweb, having current versions of neither right now.

[krissel]

Here's a funny.

I played the font larger game with iCab and it had no trouble increasing the size and still maintaining the forum window box within the browser window.

But man does iCab screw up the home page at any size. Wow, stuff on top of stuff.

[Gary S]

Krissel,

I changed my fonts, in Netscape 7.01 running OS9.1, to the one's you suggested.

Guess what!....It works!!!!!!          

As Bogie would say....Tanks alot sweethaart.



Now maybe someone can explain why fonts make such a difference?

Nevermind.

I'm just real happy right now. Actually I think I'm having a peek experience right now.

  all you human beans!

[Xairbusdriver]

QUOTE

...why fonts make such a difference?

On one hand it's font-size rather than just font-family, on the other hand, it could be that 'containers' (div's) are dimensioned with 'em's' a measurement based on the font size, on the third hand(!) it may just be the different ways different browsers handle CSS! And since I've already borrowed one hand, I'll stop there.

Seriously(!), it may also depend on how the div's are being positioned, various IE versions don't like relative versus absolute methods. Plus, margins and padding are calculated differently (incorrectly) in IE and NS/Moz. If any of these containers had both/either, they might become too large to fit in the window as happend with you. Third, it may be how the div's are deminsioned (as described above). If the fonts were too large, that would force the container (which usually size themselvs to hold whatever is put into them) to become just a little too big. And they might even become only wider, not just taller, which could cause the problems you saw.

Of course, the real problem may just be badly constructed php/code and it's interaction with all those hands laying around!

[Bobun]

this is krissel posting from Bobun's identity

Gary, glad it works for you and you are   .

I'm at my folks' house now and tried the site in Safari and it reads the home page OK but I noticed on the galleries page that it is OK if the window size is kept at about the size of a 15 " monitor but as soon as the window is enlarged past that point it jumps off to the side and the side-scroll appears. Font prefs are
Times 16 for standard
Courier 13 for fixed width
Encoding Western (ISO latin1)

In IE 5.2.1 for X the home page is not right (the text is in a very skinny vertical line) but the galleries pages is fine no matter how large the window.
Settings are:
Font size 16   Resolution 96
Western (Latin 1)
Prop- Times New Roman
Sans serif-Arial
Serif-Times New Roman
Monospace-Courier New
Cursive-Brush Script MT
Fantasy-Comis Sans MS

Very curious. Now if we can figure out the commonality or difference at the crucial point we would be satisfied.

 

[Paddy]

Well, on checking this again with the W3C CSS validator, I realized why I hadn't been able to get to the CSS via what I assumed would be the URL. I didn't put in "galleries" - figured that the CSS would apply to all the pages and therefore reside one directory up. Nope.

So, if you want to look at the CSS for the gallery pages to see if you can spot the problems:

http://www.internetbonsaiclub.org/gallerie...r/subSilver.css

The CSS for the main page:

http://internetbonsaiclub.org/ibc_green_check.css

Interestingly, I hadn't really looked at the index page in IE - it is REALLY messed up. The navigation bar text doesn't even show up at normal viewing sizes. If I increase the text size a lot, it starts to show up, but then it doesn't fit. It's ok in both Safari and Mozilla.

I am intrigued by the possibilities of CSS, but it's the continued problems with some browsers that have kept me using tables, for now, and using CSS for my font styling etc. I will start fooling around with it soon, but probably not on anything that matters until I feel that I know what I'm doing and that the results will be as desired in every common browser. That, it appears, may take some experimentation! There are a number of sites that deal with the vagaries of browser support for CSS and show what happens with fairly basic CSS positioning in different browsers. Some of it is still pretty wacky.