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OT: SARS II
« on: March 28, 2003, 11:16:00 PM »
Ontario declared a public health emergency Wednesday, March 26:

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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2003, 12:01:00 AM »
It's not a good situation. Many people are scared, especially those taking the public transit system and subways. The Asian business community is complaining about empty shops and restaurants. The EMS is strained as many paramedics are in quarantine, so are some cops and a large number of health care professionals.

This is nasty stuff. My employer has issued surgical gloves and masks for those that wish to wear them. Several couriers (those serving that hospital) and one driver have been quarantined.

Hope they contain it soon.

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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2003, 01:53:00 AM »
Slow down there fellas, more than likely it’s a coronavirus family member (common cold virus) Source has been located, Quarantines are in place, it’s Treatable, and contagious by Contact Only. Someone I know at John’s Hopkins said “it looks like a nasty cold”. Ok maybe a threat to rural Asians, but odds of it getting out of hand in our medical environment, are looooooong indeed. IMHO

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...uspe&sec=latest

“Worldwide, 1,408 people have fallen ill with SARS and 53 died, according to the World Health Organization. Most of the cases were reported in Asia. - AP “

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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2003, 02:37:00 PM »
<< A total of 70 doctors are under quarantine. Five are infected and two are critically ill, the Ontario
Medical Association
reports. All worked at Scarborough Grace hospital. >>

Front Lines:

<< > We are starting to see the "second wave" of SARS cases in Toronto.  Dozens of health care workers from the hospital caring for the index case in Toronto have been placed in quarantine due to symptoms suggestive of SARS. > Their Emergency Department and ICU have been shut down, no new admissions to > the hospital.  Three paramedics have been hit.  Public health officials are > also placing family members of SARS patients with exposure in quarantine. > They have been advised that the quarantine is "voluntary" unless they don't > follow it...then it will be involuntarily enforced.
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> We are hoping that all of these cases related to the initial case at that > hospital, however there have been various people visiting that hospital, > health care workers may have passed this on to family members.  Patients > with possible exposure have been transferred to other hospitals prior to the > outbreak of cases in health care workers, thus some of them may have not > been in isolation at all times.
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> After many days of reassuring comments from the government and infection > control staff in hospitals, it seems that people are starting to get worried > that this may get out of control.  There are many people who travel back and > forth to Hong Kong from Toronto, thus there is also the concern that we may > get fresh cases from overseas.
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> Our critical care resources have not been overly stressed yet, however > negative pressure ICU rooms are at a premium. >>

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kps,

Good to hear from our embedded reporter on the ground in Ontario.

Of course, I'm not worried, but -

You take care of yourself - ya hear?

Let us know how things go -

Epaminondas
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Sandbox,

Most reassuring.

The WHO is saying that 90% recover within 7-9 days.

The WHO has been saying a lot of things.

I am hearing different things from different sources:

<<  it’s Treatable >>

From the front lines:

< Supportive care . . .

There are no magic bullets . . .

Antibiotics, antivirals, steroids have not shown any improvement in patients clinical condition.

Limiting transmission

Limit contact
Isolate early
Hand washing, N95 masks, visors for all procedures, Gowns

Regards,

XXX XXXXXXX
XX Hospital
Hong Kong >
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<< contagious by Contact Only. >>

Index patient to Hanoi-France Hospital.  Transferred out late February.

By March 5, seven staff who had cared for the initial case had SARS.

By March 15,  forty three staff had SARS.  Five on ventilators.  Soon - two dead.  Approximately 60% of the hospital staff is reported to have contracted SARS.

Current death toll from the Hanoi outbreak: five dead.  Three physicians, two nurses.  

The latest casualty: Carlo Urbani, M.D.  

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In Hong Kong, on one medical ward, 68% of the staff have contracted SARS.

This disease is more transmissible to hospital staff than any cold or flu virus I have ever experienced.

Over the past three days, 30-100 tenants of an apartment complex in Hong Kong have been reported to be  diagnosed with SARS.  There was one known case in the building.  Method of transmission is unknown.  It could be the ventilation system, the elevator, fomites - whatever.
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<< Someone I know at John’s Hopkins said “it looks like a nasty cold”. >>

Front Lines:

< Overnight in ICU despite the two deaths patients are stable though not improving. Two new admissions overnight but no more mechanical ventilation. Spontaneously breathing patients - respiratory rates improving but no improvements in A-a gradients.  New admissions have all received pulse steroids on the general wards - is this limiting the inflammatory process [they are still deteriorating requiring ICU admission] or is this functional improvement due to natural course of the disease.

My impressions are that we will be left with patients with ALI/ARDS.  We have been trying to wean and extubate a 23 year old medical student whose oxygenation and ventilation are very good.  She has now failed the oxyvent twice now.  Finally gave myself a kick in the pants and realised I am expecting too much.  This girl has ARDS and we are trying to extubate her after 3 days.

8 of 53 cases with atypical pneumonias are in ICU

16 of 43 cases are patients/visiting relatives

It appears the younger fitter patients are not getting as ill.

Yesterday I was well and truly frightened and I could see the fear was palpable around the hospital.  I would love to be able to thank each and everyone of you personally for your support and encouragement.  I have passed on many comments to the nursing and medical staff.

They continue to amaze me.  Medical staff helping me with infection control, equipment procurement, staff support have bent over backwards to help.

Over the last few years I have become very disenchanted with the direction of intensive medicine.  I am privileged to belong to such a community  as ours.  Thank you. >

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<< Ok maybe a threat to rural Asians >>

Hanoi.

Hong Kong.

Singapore.

Toronto.
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<< but odds of it getting out of hand in our medical environment, are looooooong indeed. IMHO >>

That was the humble opinion of the physicians in Toronto, as well.
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Of course, we know that this could never happen in America.

I am confident of that.

Still -  we are going ahead and preparing for the worst - while hoping for the best.

Of course we know it could never happen here.

Regards,

Epaminondas
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From Hong Kong:

<< Reasons given by these HCW for catching the disease in order of importance are:

1.      Nebuliser use
2.      No structured course on SARS
3.      Not wearing an N95 mask
4.      Poor handwashing technique and facilities
5.      Incorrect order of gowning and gloving
6.      Communal tea breaks where masks are taken off in an enclosed space
7.      No goggles when performing NPA
8.      Too many staff exposed unnecessarily
9.      No education for contract staff
10.    Poor ventilation
11.    No mask in one case >>
 
 [ 03-29-2003, 06:14 PM: Message edited by: Epaminondas ]

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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2003, 02:23:00 AM »
Well, didn't mean to trivialize it, I guess I put it mildly because of time constraints but more...... knowing the source location quickly leads to isolation, with a strong immune system, time, rest , and chicken soup, they’ve been licking it. Large Cities will be subjected, and SARS will  spread rapidly, but their within a treatable range, a day or two to the hospital. Rural folk may never see a doctor or medication, and local assistance could unknowingly spread it to everyone. Chances are only 10-20% of the population would die from it. Elderly

Here, the numbers would be smaller, a bit more than the Flu, which wears down the immune system until pneumonia sets in.

I’ll trade you two Sars for a special blend of Encephalitis, a local favorite. But we also have the imported type as well.  
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« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2003, 10:17:00 AM »
We have plenty of skeeters here as well SB and last summer our first cases of the West Nile virus.

A recent editorial: Globalization

It's not so much that the virus is not untreatable, it's more about the disruption that this thing is causing. People are concerned about their kids in school, elderly in nursing homes, missing time off work, the health care system unable to treat them due to the fact that the health care system itself is under attack from the virus.
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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2003, 10:50:00 AM »
First case of SARS in Belgium
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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2003, 11:56:00 PM »
First it was Dengy Fever here, now SARS....

We have had 5 suspected cases of SARS here so far and it frightens me a little that one of my family members or friends might catch it.  Two of the five people were hospitalized for a short time.
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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2003, 11:50:00 PM »
Al,

Probably no need for you to worry at this time.

From the information I am seeing, it would seem that the general public in the US - outside of travellers to affected areas, front line healthcare workers, and those who have been closely exposed to known SARS patients -  does not need be concerned at this time.

The latest CDC  information - 4/02/03:

U.S. - 85 suspected cases
Five via household contact
Two health care workers
"vast majority . . . have been travelers or came into the United States from the affected areas."
"We're seeing very little spread in health care workers."

Again, no reported spread yet in the general U.S. population - probably more likely to be hit by lightening - E.

Some of the best information currently out there on SARS:

The New England Journal of Medicine

Sleep soundly,

Epaminondas
 
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« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2003, 02:47:00 AM »
That's good to know, Epaminondas...

I was (still am) concerned here because we are midway transitions for flights from the orient and figured if there would be an outbreak it would probably start here.

Thanks for the info.
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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2003, 05:29:00 AM »
It takes a bit of time to get a handle on things. If you remember  the reaction to 'Legionaires Disease'. Panic in some places.

It took awhile to isolate and identify it, but they did.

On the whole it would seem that many natururally recurring elements are mutating and adapting.

Remember the old movie line from (The Graduate), "plastics". The new one might just be, "immunology; go into immunology son"

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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2003, 06:13:00 AM »
I saw a report last night that 5 people in Miami Florida area, have been diagnosed with SARS, they were isolated and observed with pneumonia type symptoms in some hospital, and have all gone home. Again I don’t mean to trivialize the SARS virus, it just hasn’t proven itself here to be anymore trouble than a new flu strain, although maybe more contagious elsewhere? The infection to death ratio is similar as well, hitting the elderly and immune system deficient populations harder.