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Offline David

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« on: September 21, 2007, 06:25:22 AM »
I have two G3 Blue & Whites with processor speeds of 300MHz and 350MHz - confirmed in each machine by System Profiler.

The 300MHz machine is my thoroughly dependable workhorse which I've kitted-out with separate 38Gb drives for OS 9.2.2 and OS X (10.3.9) and cards for three flat panel monitors. It is also cosmetically perfect.

The 350MHz machine has an ailing 6Gb drive and an ATI XCLAIMVR card which is incompatible with OS X and gives a grainy, monochrome display. Cosmetically speaking, it is way passed its sell-by date.

So, as OS X would prefer the extra little bit of speed, I swapped the processors; the 300MHz machine to become a 350 and vice-versa.

However, System Profiler doesn't confirm any change in speed in either machine - the 300 still shows as being a 300 (in OS 9 and OS X) and the 350 is still a 350 !!

The processors are securely seated and locked down with no missing pins.

Can anyone tell me what I might have done wrong and/or why the profilers show no (apparent) change in speed?

Many thanks and ...
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2007, 08:28:51 AM »
Hi David,

I suspect if you zap your PRAM, the correct processor speed will show up in System Profiler. Below is a link from TexasMacMan that you might find helpful.

Tom's Tutorial

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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2007, 09:50:39 AM »
QUOTE(David @ Sep 21 2007, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
However, System Profiler doesn't confirm any change in speed in either machine - the 300 still shows as being a 300 (in OS 9 and OS X) and the 350 is still a 350 !!

The processors are securely seated and locked down with no missing pins.

Can anyone tell me what I might have done wrong and/or why the profilers show no (apparent) change in speed?

Many thanks and ...
Regards to all

DL


Yes, that is correct.

If you swap processors, you have not swapped processor clocks. The clocks are still running at the old speed.

With newer Macs, the clock is on the processor card. When you swap processor cards, you swap clocks too.

With the B&W G3, the clock is not on the processor. The clock is in a different place on the logic board. The clock in the 300 MHz system is still ticking at 300 MHz. It does not know that you have put a processor capable of running at 350 MHz in the processor socket.

You can think of the speed rating on a processor like the speed rating on a car tire. If a tire is speed rated for 120 miles per hour, it means that the tire can safely go at 120 miles per hour. If you put it on a car that is not capable of going that fast, though, the tire won't make the car go that fast!

On your B&W G3, the processor clock is controlled by a series of jumpers inside of a "jumper block" on the logic board. You must swap processors and also swap jumper blocks.

The jumper block is a long, very narrow bit of plastic just to the right and slightly below the processor when you have the computer open with the front facing toward you. On some B&W G3 systems, there is a loop of tape around it saying that the warranty will be void if the loop is removed. On other B&W G3s, the jumper block is actually taped down to the logic board with a seal that tells you the warranty is void if the seal is broken.

This picture shows you where the jumper block is. The arrow marked "A" points to the jumper block.
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2007, 01:39:38 PM »
Very many thanks Chris but I'd already tried a PRAM Zap without success.

However ......

QUOTE(tacit @ Sep 21 2007, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On some B&W G3 systems, there is a loop of tape around it saying that the warranty will be void if the loop is removed. On other B&W G3s, the jumper block is actually taped down to the logic board with a seal that tells you the warranty is void if the seal is broken.


... Tacit, I've always been tempted to have a look-see to find out what lies beneath the tape seal. Tonight, it seems my curiosity will be satisfied.

I'll let you know how it goes.

Thank you

DL

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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2007, 04:22:08 PM »
Well shut my mouth! taped.gif Should have known you would know better! laugh.gif

Shows what I don't know about Blue and White G3's, don't it? doh.gif

Nice one Tacit! notworthy.gif

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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2007, 06:46:33 PM »
TACIT .....

That did it - problem solved! thumbup.gif

I'm amazed how much faster this machine now runs with the addition of a mere 16%

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