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« on: January 27, 2009, 07:03:07 PM »
It started happening a couple months after I got my Power Mac G5 Quad last January, mostly when I'm on Safari.  The immediate indicator is the lack of progress of the blue highlight bar in the URL address section.  In fact it blinks rapidly. Thankfully the mouse still works.  When I bail out of Safari and thereby off the internet the computers speakers 'Rat-A-Tat' with the same interval that the blinking displayed.  I then restart  and that usually cures it for a while.  The OS has also frozen when offline, always first doing a tell tale flashing.  I try to clean up the system with disk utility and disk warrior, but  the voodoo is occurring more frequently.

One more disturbing symptom has happened a few times on Yahoo mail as well as when offline on Word - that is blank pages are rapidly added to my documents.  Once while not paying immediate attention to the monitor 400+ pages were added to a Word document.

Don't know if the two topics are created by the same Gremlin

Would appreciate any assist.  My neighbor and pal 'Beacher' suggests this might be something for Tacit or Sandbox's expertise.

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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2009, 07:16:03 PM »
Those last are some mighty strange symptoms, somoffus!

Actually...a Google search yielded info on the Word problem - which even has a name! (infinite pagination)

http://ask.metafilter.com/15808/Microsoft-...usands-of-Pages

More here: http://groups.google.ca/group/microsoft.pu...nds+pages+added

I don't know about the Yahoo mail situation though - what exactly happens with it? (it doesn't really have "pages" which is why I'm a bit confused)

Now, back to the first set of symptoms - when you say "telltale flashing" do you mean a black screen with various languages and the suggestion to shut down? Or is it just flashing and then freezing? The first is a kernel panic - of which there are several causes, including incompatible RAM, and the second could be a dying logic board, which I'm sure is not something you want to hear, but that symptom can be found in discussions of dying Mac laptops...

Any other ideas, folks?
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2009, 07:31:37 PM »
Well, I just had a 'bout' of Finder flashing or more accurately crashing.

I had rebooted after installing the latest QT 7.6 (I think), but any way...

The desktop would continually clear and reappear, and the Finder was continuously restarting....

I tried several thing, as I could get a hold of the finder or desktop apps...   rebuilt permissions, did a safe boot, zapped Pram...  all to no avail.

I then went to the logs and in one, consol log, I believe, I saw that the finder was crashing and being "fixed' by some app in my start up programs.

I went in and took that app (Hey Folders) out of the start up programs and rebooted.. All was good.... no problems since.

Some part of the app must have been zapped by the install of QT 7.6 is the only thing I can think of.

MAYBE... have you recently added a new app or updated an app??  You might check the logs and see, when this happens, if there is an indication of something going bad?

HTH

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Somoffus... It appears that your email addy in your profile may be out of date... could you check and see and correct as necessary.... Thanks..


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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2009, 11:11:54 PM »
QUOTE(Paddy @ Jan 28 2009, 01:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Those last are some mighty strange symptoms, somoffus!

Actually...a Google search yielded info on the Word problem - which even has a name! (infinite pagination)

http://ask.metafilter.com/15808/Microsoft-...usands-of-Pages

More here: http://groups.google.ca/group/microsoft.pu...nds+pages+added

I don't know about the Yahoo mail situation though - what exactly happens with it? (it doesn't really have "pages" which is why I'm a bit confused)

Now, back to the first set of symptoms - when you say "telltale flashing" do you mean a black screen with various languages and the suggestion to shut down? Or is it just flashing and then freezing? The first is a kernel panic - of which there are several causes, including incompatible RAM, and the second could be a dying logic board, which I'm sure is not something you want to hear, but that symptom can be found in discussions of dying Mac laptops...

Any other ideas, folks?


That's a great term, 'infinite pagination'.  Thanks I'll look into those links.
As far as the flashing or blinking ...  This occurs in the address bar.  When connection is progressing  a transparent blue highlighter moves to the right.  The highlighter (there's undoubtedly term for it (finder?)) freezes in  place.  The only remedy is to escape out of safari - and then the speaker sound as I previously spoke of.  I've also had experience with dying Mac laptops, but they were 4 or 5 years old.  



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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2009, 11:18:42 PM »
QUOTE(RNKIII @ Jan 28 2009, 01:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, I just had a 'bout' of Finder flashing or more accurately crashing.

I had rebooted after installing the latest QT 7.6 (I think), but any way...

The desktop would continually clear and reappear, and the Finder was continuously restarting....

I tried several thing, as I could get a hold of the finder or desktop apps...   rebuilt permissions, did a safe boot, zapped Pram...  all to no avail.

I then went to the logs and in one, consol log, I believe, I saw that the finder was crashing and being "fixed' by some app in my start up programs.

I went in and took that app (Hey Folders) out of the start up programs and rebooted.. All was good.... no problems since.

Some part of the app must have been zapped by the install of QT 7.6 is the only thing I can think of.

MAYBE... have you recently added a new app or updated an app??  You might check the logs and see, when this happens, if there is an indication of something going bad?

HTH

Bob K.   rnkiii



Somoffus... It appears that your email addy in your profile may be out of date... could you check and see and correct as necessary.... Thanks..



Your situation sounds profoundly more serious.  What pray tell is QT 7.6?  I haven't added a new app, but certainly may have updated.  I'll check.  Thanks for the heads up on my profile. I've updated it with current email address.

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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2009, 12:16:13 AM »
QT= QuickTime. Apple recently released an update. It's been causing more than a few issues, from what I've seen reported at MacFixit and on the Apple forums. I haven't bothered with it yet...tongue.gif

Since your issue is not the whole screen flashing, I don't think it's a hardware issue; much more likely to be some sort of conflict/corruption issue. Do look in your error logs to see if you can find anything. Does Crash Reporter come up when you quit out of Safari? You can copy and paste that log here (or anything you find in the error/crash logs that seems linked to this problem)
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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2009, 08:50:47 AM »
The URL insertion box uses the blue highlighting as a page/site loading progress bar. When it reaches the far right hand edge it it means the page is completely loaded and it (the blue highlighting) will disappear. If it it stalls or shortens and lengthens instead of steadily progressing to the right, it is an indication of problems loading the page or extra code being sent after the original request. The problem may be nothing more than an over loaded server at that site or an error in the transmission. It could also be a problem with your connection somewhere between you and that site. None of those problems can be solved by anything you have control of.

If your OS or browser cannot display something from that site, it may cause problems viewing or using the site and it might even cause the browser to crash. But that, again, is pretty much out of your control unless there are preferences or plug-ins that are set to block some kind of content. If crashing is a problem, you can make sure the browser is up-to-date and also try using a different one on the same site.

I seriously doubt that the Safari problem and the OS freezing problem are related. But the non-normal sounds and the freezes may certainly well be. Not sure what version, but I assume you are using OS X. If so, you should be able to create (if you haven't already) another plain user. By logging in as that user and operating for a while, you should fairly soon discover if you still have the OS crashing problems. In the best case, you will not and you can be fairly sure that the problem is a software issue with the OS or any third-party apps/Pref Panels/plug-ins you have installed.

If you still have the OS crashing and sound problems, it is more likely a hardware problem but you still can't rull out the need to re-install the OS. But first, take one problem at a time and do the easiest and simplest steps before delving into the more expensive and time consuming ones! Just answer the questions posed as best as you can and be patient with them. They have some expert knowledge and lots of experience! smile.gif

And, BTW, welcome back! Haven't seen your name around much! welcome.gif
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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2009, 03:02:36 PM »
QUOTE(Paddy @ Jan 28 2009, 06:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QT= QuickTime. Apple recently released an update. It's been causing more than a few issues, from what I've seen reported at MacFixit and on the Apple forums. I haven't bothered with it yet...:PSince your issue is not the whole screen flashing, I don't think it's a hardware issue; much more likely to be some sort of conflict/corruption issue. Do look in your error logs to see if you can find anything. Does Crash Reporter come up when you quit out of Safari? You can copy and paste that log here (or anything you find in the error/crash logs that seems linked to this problem)
Hopefully its just a conflict/corruption.  Unfortunately I use Onyx recently to clean up and it may have cleaned off  any crash info which might explain my blank Crash Reporter report.  As to QuickTime, I did install their latest version - - but my voodoo was happening long before.  What program would you use to search and fix conflict/corruptions?
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QUOTE(Paddy @ Jan 28 2009, 06:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QT= QuickTime. Apple recently released an update. It's been causing more than a few issues, from what I've seen reported at MacFixit and on the Apple forums. I haven't bothered with it yet...:PSince your issue is not the whole screen flashing, I don't think it's a hardware issue; much more likely to be some sort of conflict/corruption issue. Do look in your error logs to see if you can find anything. Does Crash Reporter come up when you quit out of Safari? You can copy and paste that log here (or anything you find in the error/crash logs that seems linked to this problem)
Hopefully its just a conflict/corruption.  Unfortunately I use Onyx recently to clean up and it may have cleaned off  any crash info which might explain my blank Crash Reporter report.  As to QuickTime, I did install their latest version - - but my voodoo was happening long before.  What program would you use to search and fix conflict/corruptions?

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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2009, 03:19:33 PM »
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Jan 28 2009, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The URL insertion box uses the blue highlighting as a page/site loading progress bar. When it reaches the far right hand edge it it means the page is completely loaded and it (the blue highlighting) will disappear. If it it stalls or shortens and lengthens instead of steadily progressing to the right, it is an indication of problems loading the page or extra code being sent after the original request. The problem may be nothing more than an over loaded server at that site or an error in the transmission. It could also be a problem with your connection somewhere between you and that site. None of those problems can be solved by anything you have control of.

If your OS or browser cannot display something from that site, it may cause problems viewing or using the site and it might even cause the browser to crash. But that, again, is pretty much out of your control unless there are preferences or plug-ins that are set to block some kind of content. If crashing is a problem, you can make sure the browser is up-to-date and also try using a different one on the same site.

I seriously doubt that the Safari problem and the OS freezing problem are related. But the non-normal sounds and the freezes may certainly well be. Not sure what version, but I assume you are using OS X. If so, you should be able to create (if you haven't already) another plain user. By logging in as that user and operating for a while, you should fairly soon discover if you still have the OS crashing problems. In the best case, you will not and you can be fairly sure that the problem is a software issue with the OS or any third-party apps/Pref Panels/plug-ins you have installed.

If you still have the OS crashing and sound problems, it is more likely a hardware problem but you still can't rull out the need to re-install the OS. But first, take one problem at a time and do the easiest and simplest steps before delving into the more expensive and time consuming ones! Just answer the questions posed as best as you can and be patient with them. They have some expert knowledge and lots of experience! smile.gif

And, BTW, welcome back! Haven't seen your name around much! welcome.gif


Thanks for the advise - The reason I think the problem might be my OS is the blue highlighter flashing freeze coincides with the speakers rat-a-tat sound. So that when I bail out of Safari the speakers sound at the same interval that the frozen highlighter blinked.  Also as I click on any of my desktops folders they also flash or blink, without being able to open. Hopefully re-installing the OS will cure it.. If not - then what?

And, BTW, thanks for remembering me. You must have a steel-trap memory.

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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2009, 03:29:22 PM »
..."And, BTW, thanks for remembering me. You must have a steel-trap memory." rofl.gif whistling.gif   Devilish2.gif


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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2009, 03:39:41 PM »
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You must have a steel-trap memory
Uhmn...well, some have suggested somewhat similar things about my mind...I shal not mention them here, since this is a 'family' friendly site. Actually, all I did was notice that you had joined TS back in '02 and that I hadn't noticed seeing your 'name' since I joined. I read almost all threads and visit several times a day. I just don't get out much and have a fairly small 'world!' blush-anim-cl.gif laughhard.gif So it is really my lack of memory rather than a good one that caused my comments. That and the fact that I talk/write too much...please don't encourage me with answers or questions in the threads... nono.gif
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