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Startup Folder not starting Netscape 4.8
« on: March 23, 2003, 01:01:00 PM »
I have always used my Startup Items folder to automatically start certain items including Netscape 4.8 during startup. However....
I recently downloaded Netscape 7.02 to see if I would like it better than 4.8. After deciding that I would not like it, I trashed it all,  and went back to 4.8. However, I found that my Startup Items folder no longer recognizes Netscape 4.8 while it still  automatically brings up other items (ClarisWorks, Stickies, etc) on startup.
I have trashed the 4.8 prefs. I have used TechTools Lite and Disk First Aid. Netscape 4.8 works fine manually but will not come up automatically from Startup Items folder. What do I do next?

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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2003, 02:54:00 PM »
Sounds like the alias just lost track of the original Netscape program, not unusual.

To fix it, open the StartUp Items folder, select the alias and do a Get Info on it.
Click on the button near the bottom right-hand corner of that window labeled: 'Select New Original...'
Now navigate to the actual Netscape program and select it.

You should now see the file path showing next to the "Original:" label near the middle of that window.

Should work now, double click to confirm.

BTW, I would encourage you to find a newer browser, there is quite a bit of technology that you are missing. But I agree that I didn't care for Netscape 7 either.

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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2003, 03:32:00 PM »
Jim C, thanks for the help, but it did not work.
I forgot to mention that I had already changed the alias more than once from different original NS files, including a 4.79.
I followed your instructions carefully, but I got confused when I reached the point where you said:
"You should now see the file path showing next to the "Original:" label near the middle of the window".

When I navigated to and selected the Navigator 4.8 app in the "Select New Original" window, I did not see any 'file path' that you mention. I could only click the 'Choose' button.
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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2003, 05:50:00 PM »
Nels... you may want to try creating a new user profile for NS4.8.

It's not unusual for NS7.x to "take over" on some parts of NS4.x and a new profile often cures many ailments with that the 4.x versions of Netscape...
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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2003, 09:26:00 PM »
nels,

A bad description on my part. The 'file path' is on the Get Info window. It is always there, actually, I just meant that after selecting a 'new' original, you would see it again, lokking different than what it was when you started the whole (apparantly inoperative) process.        I was trying to avoid long sentences like that!    

I think DB may be closer to solving your problem, anyway. Assuming you can actually run NS 4.8, just throw away that faulty alias and make a new one.

Jim C.
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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2003, 12:13:00 AM »
Yes, I agree with Jim... if NS4.8 runs otherwise, try a new alias frst... it would be the quickest and easiest...  

If that doesn't work I've found a thread where I left a bit of a description on creating a new user profile if you need it:

http://www.techsurvivors.net/ubb/ultimateb...t=005203#000003
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2003, 03:41:00 PM »
Dreambird, I did it all from your instructions, still did not startup from the Startup Folder. Maybe the following clues will help:

1. After I put the current User Profiles into a separate desktop folder and created a new profile, I never saw an option to place it into a default Netscape Users folder. Where  would that be? (It wasn’t in Sherlock.)

2. I previously mentioned that I had trashed all NS7 that I could find. However, when  I bring up my old  Bookmarks from the  old Users files, they come up in NS7 format! This residual NS7 may be part of my problem? How do you really Uninstall NS7?

3. When I click on  NS4.8 in the Startup Items folder, it comes up, but not on its own on startup.

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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2003, 02:51:00 AM »
Nels... this is a bit of a mystery since a new user profile usually does the trick... in these release note for NS7.x they give the procedure for uninstalling from either OS9.x or OS X:

http://wp.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/ns7/relnotes/7.html

Take a look at that and make sure you've got it all... because yes, it does sound to me like there's some "residual" hanging around.

Also when you created a new user profile, assuming you managed to... where did it get put? Make sure you've cleared any old NS7 user profile out of the Documents folder... look for "Mozilla" too, and your preferences folder...

A Netscape 4.8 user profile folder should by default be in system>preferences>Netscape Users>your profile.

If I create a new profile (I'm using OS9.1 and NS4.76) the Profile Manager shows me a default path of:
OS9.1>system folder>preferences>Netscape Users>my profile (whatever I've called it)

My suggestion would be to try and make "sure" you've got absolutely all of NS7.x... it's easy enough to miss a little file or two...

Perhaps try rebuilding your desktop too once you've weeded all of it out.

Then try the Profile Manager again to see if you can't get a new profile... Make sure the profile you saved to your desktop is the one from the default NS4.x path in the system>preferences>Netscape Users folder... unless you changed it yourself, that's where NS4.x always puts it by default whereas NS7.x puts it in the Documents folder.
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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2003, 03:42:00 PM »
Hey guys,

 This may be first contribution  to the Techsurvivor solutions archive

 I seem to have solved my Startup Items folder problem, and you all can take some credit, even tho none of your suggestions were directly responsible, they cleared away all the confusion in my mind about which way to go.

1.  Jim C (Airbusdriver) started by getting me to use a ‘fresh’ NS4.8 alias, which did not work. (I also tried to use IE and Mozilla aliases, which also did not work, which was a first clue to the final solution below).

2.  Dreambird helped with how to assure that I have eliminated all leftover signs of NS7, which showed me that trashing only NS7 is not sufficient; it is necessary to trash some Mozilla pieces too.

3.  Still did not work. Took ClarisWorks out  of Startup folder. It  still started up automatically. Eureka!!! Which of course meant that something was wrong with the Startup Items app itself.

4.  However, I couldn’t find any Startup Items pref to trash (why?).

5.  So, instead of reinstalling  NS4.8, I went into my archives and made a duplicate of the Startup Items file in an old NS4.79 folder, and transferred  it to replace the buggy one. That did the trick!

Thanks, thanks, and  thanks again

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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2003, 09:15:00 PM »
Glad you got things working, anyway!    

I'm wondering if simply trashing the 'Startup Items' folder would have done the trick, also. I don't think there are any prefs for it or Shutdown Items, or some other 'special' System folders. They are just looked at by the System at startup or shutdown and the aliases are 'run.' At least that's the way I understand them, I'm sure someone can clarify that (tacit?).

Maybe this is another 'trick' to archive, indeed. Trouble with Staup/Shutdown stuff - remove appropriate folder from System Folder, let it rebuild a new one, re-install aliases. I'll let you try that and see if that causes any loud and scary noises!
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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2003, 10:18:00 PM »
Glad you got it working too Nels... sometimes it's "just whatever works"...  

Thanks for let us all know what worked.

I like Jim didn't know a start-up folder could go corrupt...    New one on me!

Curious though... when you mention start-up "app" do you mean the folder? Forgot to ask what OS you were running, didn't think it mattered because any NS4.x will only run under Classic anyway...
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2003, 12:01:00 PM »
Jim  and  Dreambird

For what it's worth... I trashed my unused Shutdown Items folder and restarted, but it never came back. Did the same with Shutdown Items(disabled) folder, restarted, and it didn't come back. So I guess my transfer of a Startup Items folder from an archived NS4.79 was a lucky good guess.

BTW Dreambird this was all in OS9.2

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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2003, 01:01:00 PM »
I'm pretty sure a 'normal' install will create them. But it may not really matter after that. I suspect the System will automatically open a folder with those names, if they are in the System Folder. It may be similar to a file named "Startup Screen." If you have one, it will be assumed to be a desktop picture, if not, no problem, press on with the process of stating up. Probably the closest thing to a AutoExec/Batch file as I want to get!
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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2003, 02:35:06 PM »
Boy is this embarassing!!! I finally discovered that all this time my iMac has been booting up to a buried second  System Folder/ Startup Items Folder.  As soon as I put the items I wanted into that folder, all came out right. In spite of my utter shame, I believe I owe it to all of the guys who tried to help, to let you know the one  thing that no one suggested...that I was being fooled by a duplicate System Folder!!! Something you can put into your caches of experiences to help future dunderheads.  

Thanks  again to all.

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« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2003, 01:17:53 AM »
... wink.gif

Hey Nels... no need to be embarrassed, if only you know how many times I "blew" things on my PC and Macs due to these sort of things.

(Like the time as a PC newbie, I thought I'd try deleting the registry... whistling.gif)

Thanks for letting us know... I appreciate it especially since it was Netscape... smile.gif
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