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Offline cdub1988

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« on: June 21, 2003, 02:17:29 PM »
I need to know if you've come across a good app to be able to take an audio CD and rip a song and then isolate the sound in order to drop out the voice. Running OS 9.1 with 128MB on a 6500/225.

Or is it possible without having a two-sided recording (or whatever it is they call that when they record the voice on one side and the music on the other).

Any ideas?

TIA, all.

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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2003, 06:20:04 PM »
Hi Chris,

What your looking for is the studio cut multi track recording of a particular song.  Usually, something like a 4, 8 or 12 channel reel to reel recording.  On regular music CDs they are 2 channel/track audio (left and right).

I don't think it's possible to extract just the voice from a regular music CD.  You may be able to cancel out the frequency, but that will alter all the sounds in that song.

I'm sure kbear can explain this much much better than I can.
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2003, 11:35:22 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2003, 07:23:18 PM »
Chris,

You could do some serious masking to the vocal frequencies on a song using a program like Pro-Tools, or Motu, but the prices on these apps are huge, as they are used by recording studios to track high quality digital audio. Another function of these programs is waveform editing... You could edit out the vocal sections and piece back the instrumental sections in order... then make the song as long or short as you want.

I don't know about any other more cost-effective programs that will do what you want.

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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2003, 08:53:04 PM »
CeeDub-

while what you ask seems conceptually very simple, it is technically extremely difficult (if not impossible) to accomplish, unless you get source material (such as 'music minus one' kind of things) that is specifically designed for this, or the original multi-track so that you could re-create the mix w/o the vocal (which is not such an easy thing to do unless you are an experienced engineer / producer).

The only thing I am aware of is a hardware solution that has been on the market for 25 years or so, called a Thompson Vocal Eliminator (http://www.ltsound.com/).  

Maybe they have changed / improved it over the years, but when I looked into it many years ago, it 'worked its magic' by summing the two stereo channels after inverting the phase of one of them, thereby canceling any signal that appeared equally in both of the channels.  

This frequently does eliminate the lead vocal from many recordings, since the lead vocal is often center panned (sent equally to the left and right channels).  But it also eliminates all other musical signals that are center panned (typically the bass drum and bass guitar, and sometimes the piano, rhythm guitar, et.al.).  And if a particular recording does not have the lead vocal center panned, the TVE will not remove it.  

This approach can also result in some weird audio 'artifacts' from the phase inversion of sounds that are not panned hard right or hard left (as are most instruments in multi-track studio recording, in order to simulate a realistic 'sound stage')

There might be some expensive plug-in for ProTools, Digital Performer, Logic, or Cubase to do this kind of thing, but then you are getting into not only serious buckos, but a steep learning curve as well.

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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2003, 09:46:14 PM »
May have to find a 2 track CD for the songs.

Thanks for the info.

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Take care and thanks for all your responses.

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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2003, 10:33:15 PM »
CW -

What is your ultimate goal behind this query?   Surely this is not simply an intellectual exercise.

There are karaoke CDs for many songs available, that duplicate (sort of) the original w/o the lead vocal, and if you look around on the web you can sometimes find MIDI renditions of popular tunes that are quite well done (only some of them are really good - true to the original arrangement, w/o obvious mistakes, and intelligent MIDI instrument choices - many of them are abysmally bad) and QT Pro can save a MIDI file as an AIFF, which you can then burn to a CD and play on any CD player as a backup track to sing along with...

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